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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 09:10 PM Jun 2016

Forget Party Unity: The New DNC EMAIL LEAK Means There's NO Going Back For Bernie Sanders’ Democrats


"..Thus far Guccifer 2.0’s leak is seen as vindication that the process was skewed and manipulated. As far as Clinton is concerned, she, her supporters, and the DNC can all argue that Bernie Sanders lost because of votes, but at the end of the day, it won’t matter. Nothing anyone, including Sanders, can say will change the fact that his voters feel they weren’t treated fairly by the party, and to a large extent, they’re right..."




As Bernie Sanders delivered a livestream address to his supporters on Thursday about the future of his movement, he signaled an eventual end to the campaign. Encouraging his supporters to get involved, Sanders vowed to help Hillary Clinton defeat Trump conditional upon the Democratic Party adopting a “real progressive agenda.” However, earlier in the day news broke about a different story that undercut the Vermont Senator’s calls for eventual party unity. On the same website that published the DNC’s 200-page Donald Trump oppo file, the hacktivist known as “Guccifer 2.0” released what appears to be an internal email from the DNC discussing strategy, which served to confirm what many of Sanders’ supporters have felt all along: The Democratic Party leadership has had its thumb on the scale for Hillary Clinton in the primary. The email, dated May 26, 2015, about a month after Sanders announced his candidacy, revealed that at least some in the DNC were planning for a Clinton nomination:


In something right out of the Cold War, the DNC has claimed that these releases are part of a “Russian disinformation campaign,” but, according to FAIR, has provided no supporting evidence. But whatever the reason behind it, this leak has further incensed Sanders' supporters, and that is telling. It has been a long road to this point, but the fact that the 'Bernie Or Bust' Movement has grown to somewhere in the range of 3 to 4 million people (roughly a quarter to a third of Sanders' supporters) is as much a criticism of Hillary Clinton as a candidate as it is a condemnation of how the party has handled the primary. From the outset, there has been a perception of favoritism by the DNC leadership. Some of those concerns were due to the very fact that the DNC Chair, Debbie Wasserman Schultz was also Hillary Clinton's co-campaign chair in 2008. When Wasserman Schultz scheduled just six sanctioned debates at odd times when viewership would be predictably low, and after crucial deadlines to change one's voter registration in states like New York, and then threatened to ban candidates from those if they participated in unsanctioned ones, any hopes she'd had of appearing impartial were dashed.

-snip-

But it wasn't just Debbie Wasserman Schultz who soured Sanders supporters on the DNC. When news broke of a joint fundraising agreement between Clinton's campaign and the Democratic Party, many eyebrows were raised. Lee Fang of The Intercept then reported via Twitter that the DNC was funneling money into pro-Clinton super PACs. So close is the apparent relationship between the Clinton campaign and the Democratic Party, it could hardly be seen as shocking when Vice reported that the Democratic Party even shared a headquarters in Carson City, NV with the Clinton campaign.

Lee Fang ?@lhfang

Here's DNC paying (more) $ to American Bridge, which funds & shares office w/Hillary's Super PAC Correct the Record



Lee Fang ?@lhfang

Over the last 7 months the DNC has provided $216,000 to American Bridge, which is part of the Brock/Hillary SuperPAC network.



cont'
https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/06/forget-party-unity-the-new-dnc-email-leak-means-th.html

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Forget Party Unity: The New DNC EMAIL LEAK Means There's NO Going Back For Bernie Sanders’ Democrats (Original Post) Segami Jun 2016 OP
kickity kickity yourout Jun 2016 #1
Not shocked WayBeyondBlue Jun 2016 #2
Were Bernie president RobertEarl Jun 2016 #3
Obama is hiding Hillary's emails that she sent (to him I would suspect) on her server bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #5
The silence is deadly RobertEarl Jun 2016 #6
We were fooled. 840high Jun 2016 #15
The silence of Obama, the DNC, and the AG is also their consent. agracie Jun 2016 #9
yes, this would explain a lot of things NJCher Jun 2016 #10
What would be the reason to show them after the election? bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #11
They wouldn't NJCher Jun 2016 #14
Impeacment fuel for Congre$$ WayBeyondBlue Jun 2016 #16
Nice legacy Mr. Prez. Real swell to try and protect it. nc4bo Jun 2016 #24
Agreed and great point. K&R! nt riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #7
There is more to come. And that 2 to 3 million I believe it is a lot more even though bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #4
Guccifer 2.0 has released more docs but I don't have the link. MaeScott Jun 2016 #25
I thought Guccifer was in custody? nt. druidity33 Jun 2016 #28
This is a different person. Else You Are Mad Jun 2016 #29
K&R, by now I see no great hope anymore; sadoldgirl Jun 2016 #8
Patience my friend...don't go anywhere yet......... bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #12
seems to get worse Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2016 #13
I wonder what Martin O'Malley thinks of this? senz Jun 2016 #17
I'm no lawyer but it would seem Segami Jun 2016 #18
Well, as we both know senz Jun 2016 #19
Quicker?.....I doubt that.....but you senz are a very sharp tack Segami Jun 2016 #20
Well, nice of you to say, Segami, senz Jun 2016 #22
+1 merrily Jun 2016 #26
+100 Duval Jun 2016 #34
If they are talking Class Action those take forever. glinda Jun 2016 #21
+++++ nt nc4bo Jun 2016 #23
With or without leaks or Guccifer, it's been obvious since at least 2012. merrily Jun 2016 #27
So true. But, who does this release benefit now? elias7 Jun 2016 #31
Not another dime Duppers Jun 2016 #30
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #32
Interfering with elections felix_numinous Jun 2016 #33
K & R hopemountain Jun 2016 #35
IMO, they -did- get the most favorable match-up for the GE in Trump HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #36
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #37

WayBeyondBlue

(86 posts)
2. Not shocked
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 09:21 PM
Jun 2016

Thanks for the post though. Not looking to Democrats for "justice" or "fairness" any more. This primary season took care of that little fantasy.

What I always end up telling my wife is, If enough rich folks want something done, it will happen. If enough regular folk want something to happen, it won't.

Time to move forward with a strategy for replacing the Democratic Party.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
3. Were Bernie president
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 09:33 PM
Jun 2016

As defacto head of the party, this type of favoritism would not occur. If it were to occur, heads would roll. Where is Obama in all this? Did he quit fighting for us?

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
5. Obama is hiding Hillary's emails that she sent (to him I would suspect) on her server
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 09:38 PM
Jun 2016

regarding the TPP until after the election. And Obama is telling his AG to not indict HRC because he was emailing her back and forth on that private unsecured server...that is what Obama has been doing...in the last few days I suspect. And Obama and the AG have said nothing relevant with regards to vote flipping, vote disenfranchisement, stealing affiliations from Dems and deleting them to throwing ballots away..The Administration has been silent on these extremely important issues.

NJCher

(36,074 posts)
10. yes, this would explain a lot of things
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 11:09 PM
Jun 2016

First, it would show Obama knew about her server...played right along with it. Wow, how powerful is that? And the TPP emails--just on subject alone--would be highly inflammatory. Combine that with the server complicity and you have The Perfect Storm.

It's interesting that they took those emails out of the mix. On the surface, it looks like it's because of the topic matter, and it probably is. But also important, if those emails are taken out of the mix and there are no other Obama emails to her on that server, it also allows them to prosecute without getting Obama going down the drain with her.


Cher

NJCher

(36,074 posts)
14. They wouldn't
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 11:53 PM
Jun 2016

They're just saying they would. They will come up with another excuse at that time.

Temporal excuses are the best excuses. That was my Master's degree thesis.


Cher

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
24. Nice legacy Mr. Prez. Real swell to try and protect it.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 02:53 AM
Jun 2016

Better do what little Anthony did and wish it all into the cornfield.

I bet he would if he could.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
4. There is more to come. And that 2 to 3 million I believe it is a lot more even though
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 09:36 PM
Jun 2016

HRC's supporters think it a drop in the pan.........nada

MaeScott

(878 posts)
25. Guccifer 2.0 has released more docs but I don't have the link.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 05:20 AM
Jun 2016

Much more and plans to release even more

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
17. I wonder what Martin O'Malley thinks of this?
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 01:32 AM
Jun 2016

He probably thought he was going to run on a level playing field, too.

Could there be a basis for a lawsuit against the DNC in this, on the part of Bernie, Martin, and the other Democratic contenders?

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
18. I'm no lawyer but it would seem
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 01:48 AM
Jun 2016

Last edited Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:15 AM - Edit history (1)

that there might be grounds for a lawsuit.

No use wasting money betting on a horse if the outcome is rigged and you're not holding a winning ticket. Why spend the money in the first place?

How many people do you think would have donated to Bernie if DWS and the DNC came out and publicly announced that no matter how much money supporters donated to Bernie, Hillary was going to be the democratic nominee?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280213505#post4

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
19. Well, as we both know
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 01:57 AM
Jun 2016

great minds think alike, but yours thinks a wee bit quicker than mine.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
20. Quicker?.....I doubt that.....but you senz are a very sharp tack
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 02:03 AM
Jun 2016

on these boards and I'm sure many will agree with me wholeheartedly.


 

senz

(11,945 posts)
22. Well, nice of you to say, Segami,
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 02:51 AM
Jun 2016

but I'm perfectly happy to be supportive of the more bold and out there good guys all in the service of Bernie's candidacy and political revolution.

I hope O' Malley will weigh in on this, but it's possible that he'd want to stay on the good side of the Dems for next time.

elias7

(4,077 posts)
31. So true. But, who does this release benefit now?
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 11:05 AM
Jun 2016

This could be an unmasking of the process that has been obvious from the beginning, unless it's planted to sow discord and discourage Sanders voters in the primary. Trump is just the kind of guy to hire "the architect"

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felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
33. Interfering with elections
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 01:23 PM
Jun 2016

seems to be a special skill the neo liberals have developed in other countries, and with Kissinger's practiced advice, they have succeeded to brainwash many people to go along with it.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
36. IMO, they -did- get the most favorable match-up for the GE in Trump
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 05:50 AM
Jun 2016

He's certainly the most bizarre Republican nominee in at least a century, and his numbers are tanking.

It seems that Bill Clinton's phone call with Trump supposedly took place in 'late' May. That would be about the time this memo was sent.

I don't want to promote conspiracy theory, just that saying producing the worst republican candidate was clearly on the poobahs' minds at the time that call happened.

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