Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumDNC Platform Developers Overriding Stands Taken by Both Candidates
On the other hand, Sanders said he was pleased that the platform drafters adopted language calling for breaking up too-big-to-fail banks and enacting a modern-day Glass-Steagall Act. Sanders also said he appreciated a unanimous vote for a proposal to abolish the death penalty.
Sanders said it was inexplicable why Clinton allies on the panel at a meeting in St. Louis, Missouri, voted down proposals on trade that both Sanders and Clinton embraced as candidates. It is hard for me to understand why Secretary Clintons delegates wont stand behind Secretary Clintons positions in the partys platform, Sanders said.
The drafting committee rebuffed a proposal by Sanders allies to put the party on record saying Congress this year should not take up a trade deal known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Both Clinton and Sanders oppose bringing the measure before Congress this year for an up-or-down vote. Clinton allies nevertheless thwarted the platform proposal.
More at the link --
https://berniesanders.com/press-release/clinton-delegates-vote-clinton-stands-trade/
I hope Sec. Clinton can persuade them not to do this.
TDale313
(7,822 posts)Since she was obviously so opposed to the TPP...
senz
(11,945 posts)but it's surprising that they would openly defy the presumed front runner, particularly since the ones who did it are her delegates.
Dunno.
TDale313
(7,822 posts)Exactly what Hillary's position was for a long time- which was stay neutral on the TPP. Pressure from the left forced her to take a stand, but this never seemed like a fight she wanted to have. I wish it were otherwise.
(This may well get hidden, but it is intended as constructive criticism. Trump will be running on economic populism. She should not let him run to her left on trade.)
condoleeza
(814 posts)SO obvious. It's called a facade.
JudyM
(29,785 posts)we're not gone over in some detail, i.e., what she was willing to give ground on and the extent of that ground giving that would be acceptable. They are negotiating for her... So to me it seems that Bernie reacting as he did is politely facetious.
senz
(11,945 posts)-- a kind of finesse born of experience.
So glad he can do this for all of us. So glad this man exists.
JudyM
(29,785 posts)Don't you wonder why it took so long for someone to show up? Now that we see the power in numbers that we have, it's stunning that all of us were just settling. In a way I think it took "these circumstances" (which must remain unnamed) for the movement to coalesce. People didn't have the same impulse to rise up when it was Gore or Kerry running, or certainly Obama, who seemed to reflect the populism.
senz
(11,945 posts)but that was sort of a blip on the screen, not a powerful, sustained movement like what we've seen this past year and hopefully will continue to see going forward. Bernie had spoken about a possible presidential run on the TH show as a way of elevating the important issues and pushing Hillary to the left (which always sounded ridiculous to me). Running for president immediately elevates a person's profile, and Bernie used that elevation brilliantly by holding big, stadium style rallies -- which the MSM tried to ignore, but the internet and social media took notice and it spread like wildfire. He did all his homework in developing a coherent set of issues, proposals, and payment methodologies and then ran himself ragged taking his message all over the country. So he did his part quite well.
But you're right, this probably wouldn't have happened if not for a certain person. Suppose it had been just Bernie vs. O'Malley -- there's a significant difference, but it's not a huge polarizing difference.
It needed a catalyst.
You know, Judy, this is the best, most positive thing I've heard about the, um, situation.
JudyM
(29,785 posts)who got it, and all the others who either didn't appreciate the urgency of the timing or just aren't tuned in on that level... for whatever reason. And he took it farther than he thought it would go, which is the other positive here.... he came out ahead of where he thought he would be, and in so doing, both showed how deep our blood runs (even to him) and also advanced the issues much farther, even awakening awareness in our youngest adult generation.
The emotional wake that we're slogging through is "only" that there were problems that, without which, he'd have actually (likely) taken the whole thing... the external issues we've all lasered in on these past months together which now remain simply a shared understanding, dealing with injustices external to his campaign.... but also, to a lesser extent, his campaign/staff logistics also undercut his potential votes, at least that's what I observed as a volunteer in quite a few states. Like a young company that suddenly takes off, the infrastructure didn't get a chance to get built as well as it could have. I admire Jeff for what he did, but they had a lot of very young people in management positions who had zero management/project management experience and this hurt both planning and execution significantly; Clinton had an enormous advantage in the existing dem structure alone. But back to the positive about this: everything came together to make the movement bigger than it otherwise would have been, and we can trust that Bernie is planning his moves to capitalize on this to the maximum extent.
merrily
(45,251 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Wish I could figure out what it was ...
merrily
(45,251 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Yeah. I just can't figure it out.