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Sat Jul 16, 2016, 08:06 PM


Green Party’s Jill Stein is in Burlington,Vermont,DNC is paying close attention

Jill Stein arrived in Burlington, Vermont, Bernie Sanders’ hometown, on Friday. Stein, the presumptive presidential nominee for the Green Party, has watched her polling numbers increase and her donations soar by almost 1000 percent as many Berniecrats flock to the candidate that most closely aligns with Sanders’ progressive movement. After Bernie Sanders endorsed Clinton on Tuesday, Sanders supporters headed to the Green camp in droves, choosing Stein rather than Clinton as their Plan B.


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Tue Jul 19, 2016, 07:52 AM

2. Sanders cannot go to the Greens if he hopes to have a movement that reforms Democratic politics.

Setting aside Sanders public commitment to the Democratic Party, why should he want to leave at this time?

Most progressive voters with a partisan affiliation find themselves in the pro-Labor, socialist friendly left of the Democratic Party. It's simply a matter of numbers. Yes there are a lot of non-partisan non-aligned progressives.

The thousands of progressives he hopes to motivate to run and gain influence and power for progressive causes in American politics are going to need a party architecture across the nation to support them. The Greens have never really developed that. That isn't to say national structure cannot be developed, but that sets up a situation in which holes must be dug and foundations laid before the movement can move forward.

Millions of progressive voters who habitually vote, including entire parties that align with the Democratic Party--such as the Democratic Socialists--have developed their voting habits within the Democratic Party.

It's from inside the Democratic party, exploiting such voting habits, and party architecture (access to county, state, and national conventions, primaries, ballots, etc) that 'Berniecrats' will be greatly facilitated to compete for office.

This isn't to say the Green Party isn't progressive and is not to say that voting for Stein couldn't be a progressive alternative for some voters. It isn't to say that progressives of all affiliations aren't encouraged to work on Progressive goals, among which might be helping the Greens grow into something a bit stronger. But the reality is it's a diversion from mainstream for Sanders' movement.

When Sanders thought about running for the presidency he decided against being a candidate for other than the Democratic party because he recognized the weakness of what has been historically speaking a walk off of mainstreet and into a political cul de sac.

To overcome their obscure status and succeed the Greens struggle to build a system that can possibly carry them back to mainstreet; acquiring Sanders' celebrity would clearly help them. But it would help them more than it would help Sanders.

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