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(15,480 posts)
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:05 PM Jul 2015

Strange comment - one might say a tad disturbed/disturbing.

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by L0oniX (a host of the Bernie Sanders group).

I haven't received any of the recently discussed threatening or ugly private messages, but I was amazed to read this response on a GD-Primary thread:

I decided not to provide a link or the name of the poster - have no intent to specifically call her or him out - I'm writing about this as others have written about the PMs they received, without identifying the person sending it.
"You post rudely.I read and watch it and make note of it."

Anyone else seen anything like it? It's funny, in a sad and pathetic way. Anyone else reminded of Dickens' character, Madame Defarge and her knitting in A Tale of Two Cities?
Even on a literal level, Madame Defarge’s knitting constitutes a whole network of symbols. Into her needlework she stitches a registry (one might say, makes a note of), or list of names, of all those condemned to die in the name of a new republic.

Although the comment was directed at another Sanders supporter, not me, I did respond to it:

Divernan (12,827 posts)
xxx. Shades of the Lord High Executioner/The Mikado

What fun! We're getting into Gilbert and Sullivan territory here.
In the Mikado, the character of Ko-Ko, aka The Lord High Executioner, has a lovely song and it goes a little something like this:

As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list — I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed — who never would be missed!
There's the pestilential nuisances who write for autographs —
All people who have flabby hands and irritating laughs —
All children who are up in dates, and floor you with 'em flat —
All persons who in shaking hands, shake hands with you like that —
And all third persons who on spoiling tête-á-têtes insist —
They'd none of 'em be missed — they'd none of 'em be missed!
He's got 'em on the list — he's got 'em on the list;
And they'll none of 'em be missed — they'll none of 'em be missed.


Thank you! Thank you! Thank you very much! Tip your servers!
I'll be playing here all primary season!

And of course in the proud tradition of making up lists, we have a real life historical character known for his "lists" - Red-baiting, black-listing, anti-homosexual witch-hunting Senator Joseph McCarthy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy

Wheeling speech
McCarthy experienced a meteoric rise in national profile on February 9, 1950, when he gave a Lincoln Day speech to the Republican Women's Club of Wheeling, West Virginia. His words in the speech are a matter of some debate, as no audio recording was saved. However, it is generally agreed that he produced a piece of paper that he claimed contained a list of known Communists working for the State Department. McCarthy is usually quoted to have said: "The State Department is infested with communists. I have here in my hand a list of 205—a list of names that were made known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the State Department."

There is some dispute about whether or not McCarthy actually gave the number of people on the list as being "205" or "57". In a later telegram to President Truman, and when entering the speech into the Congressional Record, he used the number 57. The origin of the number 205 can be traced: In later debates on the Senate floor, McCarthy referred to a 1946 letter that then–Secretary of State James Byrnes sent to Congressman Adolph J. Sabath. In that letter, Byrnes said State Department security investigations had resulted in "recommendation against permanent employment" for 284 persons, and that 79 of these had been removed from their jobs; this left 205 still on the State Department's payroll. In fact, by the time of McCarthy's speech only about 65 of the employees mentioned in the Byrnes letter were still with the State Department, and all of these had undergone further security checks.

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(9,289 posts)
1. creepy
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:10 PM
Jul 2015

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
2. Then there was this a couple of weeks ago:
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:15 PM
Jul 2015


(15,480 posts)
4. That link didn't work. I suggest you just quote the language
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:22 PM
Jul 2015

and NOT provide the link, so you cannot be alerted on and accused of calling someone out.


Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
5. I think you'll find the link works now. In any case:
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:29 PM
Jul 2015

>>>History will judge them harshly.

We are noting those opposed.>>>>

( i.e. people who are/were critical of #blacklivesmatter.)


(15,480 posts)
6. Poster implies he/she has access to posters' actual identities?
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:39 PM
Jul 2015

Because what on earth use is a list of screen names?

There's no rational way to interpret those two sentences as anything other than a threat. Is that what DU has sunk to?


Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
9. Alls I can say is.....
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:44 PM
Jul 2015

someone alerted on it ( and the poster's failure to clarify the statement after one request to do so and the passage of two hours' time)) and the DU jury said it was ok, 6 to 1.


(75,480 posts)
3. Not only did the poster say that but s/he accused the poster of
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:16 PM
Jul 2015

saying s/he was a fat old woman because of a cartoon she posted. The poster of the cartoon said nothing of the sort and the cartoon was about gossip not fat or age. But this kind of putting "words in one's mouth" tactic is pretty classic of the list taking cliquel and there are many not just one.


(20,958 posts)
8. tracking posters' support/opposition to candidates or issues
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:44 PM
Jul 2015

could be indicative of "professionalism." it's something you'd want to do if you had to also do reporting.


(75,480 posts)
11. So why would one have to make an implied threat and then extract
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:50 PM
Jul 2015

a bullshit assumption from a cartoon? Just make your list and report to whatever you are reporting to.


(20,958 posts)
13. yeah, seems like the person was manufacturing outrage
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:59 PM
Jul 2015

might be what they need to personalize their work.

just apropos of the whole thing...i sincerely don't see Bernie supporters engaging in any of these bizarre anti-social behaviors, and yet there's plenty of accusations of that from the list-keeping crowd.

the Bernie group reminds me of how Election Reform used to be. People share information and are uniquely positive about the whole thing. when other folks get bent of shape about simple grassroots information sharing, it really makes me wonder.


(20,958 posts)
7. i've seen comments like that before.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:40 PM
Jul 2015

you draw a perfect comparison. factionalizing seems to be a tactic lately, and it's no way to support a candidate or issue position. it's the opposite of coalition building.

Response to Divernan (Original post)


(75,480 posts)
12. Exactly. This is the cyber version of it. eom
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:51 PM
Jul 2015


(14,255 posts)
14. Oh, yes, the weird threat-y stuff - like "I am keeping a list of who recs what......" - like
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:46 PM
Jul 2015

Joe McCarthy - "I have in my hand a list of those who rec'd stuff I don't like!"


(10,622 posts)
15. I was informed in couched terms, that there was a list and I was on it
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:48 PM
Jul 2015

Hence my lurk vacation, which I decided to take right after all of my posts in a twelve hour window were alerted on; only one "stuck", and barely, as none of the posts were against the TOS IMO.

Be careful out there folks.

I did PM the experience to two friends at the time, but decided to wait until they hung themselves with their own rope after going too far with too many at which point I will return rather than enjoin them in a silly game for the sake of their clinically weird idol worship excesses aimed at an undivulged list of critics.


(26,449 posts)
16. While I agree that's odd
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:23 PM
Jul 2015

It doesn't really meet the SOP for the group.

Could you self-delete?



(39,961 posts)
17. That's odd and ... kind of frightening.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:28 PM
Jul 2015

Please stay safe and report that, because that isn't anything DU stands for.



(31,493 posts)
18. Locking: This is not Bernie Sanders group material.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:32 PM
Jul 2015
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