Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumStrange comment - one might say a tad disturbed/disturbing.
This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by L0oniX (a host of the Bernie Sanders group).
I haven't received any of the recently discussed threatening or ugly private messages, but I was amazed to read this response on a GD-Primary thread:
I decided not to provide a link or the name of the poster - have no intent to specifically call her or him out - I'm writing about this as others have written about the PMs they received, without identifying the person sending it.
"You post rudely.I read and watch it and make note of it."
Anyone else seen anything like it? It's funny, in a sad and pathetic way. Anyone else reminded of Dickens' character, Madame Defarge and her knitting in A Tale of Two Cities?
Even on a literal level, Madame Defarges knitting constitutes a whole network of symbols. Into her needlework she stitches a registry (one might say, makes a note of), or list of names, of all those condemned to die in the name of a new republic.
Although the comment was directed at another Sanders supporter, not me, I did respond to it:
Divernan (12,827 posts)
xxx. Shades of the Lord High Executioner/The Mikado
What fun! We're getting into Gilbert and Sullivan territory here.
In the Mikado, the character of Ko-Ko, aka The Lord High Executioner, has a lovely song and it goes a little something like this:
I've got a little list I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed who never would be missed!
There's the pestilential nuisances who write for autographs
All people who have flabby hands and irritating laughs
All children who are up in dates, and floor you with 'em flat
All persons who in shaking hands, shake hands with you like that
And all third persons who on spoiling tête-á-têtes insist
They'd none of 'em be missed they'd none of 'em be missed!
Chorus.
He's got 'em on the list he's got 'em on the list;
And they'll none of 'em be missed they'll none of 'em be missed.
http://math.boisestate.edu/gas/mikado/webopera/mk105a.html
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you very much! Tip your servers!
I'll be playing here all primary season!
And of course in the proud tradition of making up lists, we have a real life historical character known for his "lists" - Red-baiting, black-listing, anti-homosexual witch-hunting Senator Joseph McCarthy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy
Wheeling speech
McCarthy experienced a meteoric rise in national profile on February 9, 1950, when he gave a Lincoln Day speech to the Republican Women's Club of Wheeling, West Virginia. His words in the speech are a matter of some debate, as no audio recording was saved. However, it is generally agreed that he produced a piece of paper that he claimed contained a list of known Communists working for the State Department. McCarthy is usually quoted to have said: "The State Department is infested with communists. I have here in my hand a list of 205a list of names that were made known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the State Department."
There is some dispute about whether or not McCarthy actually gave the number of people on the list as being "205" or "57". In a later telegram to President Truman, and when entering the speech into the Congressional Record, he used the number 57. The origin of the number 205 can be traced: In later debates on the Senate floor, McCarthy referred to a 1946 letter that thenSecretary of State James Byrnes sent to Congressman Adolph J. Sabath. In that letter, Byrnes said State Department security investigations had resulted in "recommendation against permanent employment" for 284 persons, and that 79 of these had been removed from their jobs; this left 205 still on the State Department's payroll. In fact, by the time of McCarthy's speech only about 65 of the employees mentioned in the Byrnes letter were still with the State Department, and all of these had undergone further security checks.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)and NOT provide the link, so you cannot be alerted on and accused of calling someone out.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)>>>History will judge them harshly.
We are noting those opposed.>>>>
( i.e. people who are/were critical of #blacklivesmatter.)
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Because what on earth use is a list of screen names?
There's no rational way to interpret those two sentences as anything other than a threat. Is that what DU has sunk to?
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)someone alerted on it ( and the poster's failure to clarify the statement after one request to do so and the passage of two hours' time)) and the DU jury said it was ok, 6 to 1.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)saying s/he was a fat old woman because of a cartoon she posted. The poster of the cartoon said nothing of the sort and the cartoon was about gossip not fat or age. But this kind of putting "words in one's mouth" tactic is pretty classic of the list taking cliquel and there are many not just one.
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)could be indicative of "professionalism." it's something you'd want to do if you had to also do reporting.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)a bullshit assumption from a cartoon? Just make your list and report to whatever you are reporting to.
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)might be what they need to personalize their work.
just apropos of the whole thing...i sincerely don't see Bernie supporters engaging in any of these bizarre anti-social behaviors, and yet there's plenty of accusations of that from the list-keeping crowd.
the Bernie group reminds me of how Election Reform used to be. People share information and are uniquely positive about the whole thing. when other folks get bent of shape about simple grassroots information sharing, it really makes me wonder.
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)you draw a perfect comparison. factionalizing seems to be a tactic lately, and it's no way to support a candidate or issue position. it's the opposite of coalition building.
Response to Divernan (Original post)
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Cleita
(75,480 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)Joe McCarthy - "I have in my hand a list of those who rec'd stuff I don't like!"
Bwahahaha!
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Hence my lurk vacation, which I decided to take right after all of my posts in a twelve hour window were alerted on; only one "stuck", and barely, as none of the posts were against the TOS IMO.
Be careful out there folks.
I did PM the experience to two friends at the time, but decided to wait until they hung themselves with their own rope after going too far with too many at which point I will return rather than enjoin them in a silly game for the sake of their clinically weird idol worship excesses aimed at an undivulged list of critics.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)It doesn't really meet the SOP for the group.
Could you self-delete?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Please stay safe and report that, because that isn't anything DU stands for.