Just Listened To The Beginning Of The Today Show And.....

[global1]

they were talking about speculation of Biden throwing his hat in the ring. My thought is that this is a Repug ploy to further discredit Hillary as McCain made a statement that Joe is considering running as he sees people distrusting Hillary. They even had Chuck Toad comment on Joe and never once in this whole piece did they mention Bernie and Bernie's momentum in this primary. The RSM (right stream media) is doing everything in their power to minimize Bernie and take him out of the picture. So it is up to us - Bernie's Army - to make sure Bernie's momentum continues to the point that they can't continue to ignore him. The RSM, the 1% and the Banksters are really afraid of Bernie and it is getting more and more apparent every day Bernie keeps racking up huge crowds rallying around his platform.

[GoneFishin]

1. The right wing gatekeepers of the "news" have become disgustingly blatant in their scheme to

choke off news about Bernie, TPP, etc..

As sleazy and contemptuous of balanced coverage of news and current events they are on TV, you can count on these same scummy propaganda tactics being used to stifle the exchange of news and ideas over the internet if they can get a choke hold on the net.

[merrily]

20. Yep. I thought the way media ignored Occupy Wall Street for a couple of weeks, then segued

almost immediately to negative stories about it was blatant. But media coverage of OWS was unremarkable compared to how it's been treating Bernie.

[djean111]

2. I see what you are saying. I DO think, though, that Biden is mostly seen as

hurting Hillary, not Bernie. That's the story here. Personally, I still am put off by the credit card bankruptcy thing, and the working behind the scenes to get Clarence Thomas into SCOTUS. Doesn't matter how Biden voted, he made sure Thomas would get in.

[Le Taz Hot]

5. Biden silenced 3 women who were about to testify

about their experience with Clarence Thomas' sexual harassment. BIDEN did that. Fuck him.

[kath]

18. Yep. fuck him for giving us Clarence Thomas.

he really fucked up those hearings, and I can not forgive him for that.

[merrily]

21. There is an Anybody but Hillary vote. I don't know how

many ABH voters are supporting Bernie, rather than O'Malley or Webb. (I think we can safely rule out Chafee for purposes of this discussion.)

As long as Bernie is in it, he has my support, donations, vote, etc. If he gets out, then it's O'Malley, then Biden.

[TBF]

3. I'd vote for Hillary before Joe Biden -

and that is saying something. The establishment is freaking out at Bernie's popularity. Good.

[Le Taz Hot]

4. Sabrina actually did a post addressing this

saying, essentially, that it's actually a good thing the RSM is ignoring him -- we get to organize and build a Bernie army right under their nose all while they're fawning of the RWNJ Klown Kar. They'll never know what hit 'em.

[Cleita]

6. Sounds like a plan to me.

It seems to be working too. The local press ignored the Bernie events on Wednesday, but there was an unexpectedly large turnout at all the events even in our usually conservative leaning county.

[Le Taz Hot]

7. I'm inputting all the Voluteer names into a DB

today and I'm noticing a WHOLE LOT of them are from what I call the foo-foo section of town which usually votes overwhelmingly Republican. We had local press but it's only because one of our supporters had ins to the station but other than that, nada. Meanwhile out of 170 people there I got 70 people committing to volunteer already. I'm happy with that.

[Cleita]

8. I know a lot of Republicans at the gym and we really don't talk politics much

because they know not to talk politics with me because I usually blow all their fantasies apart that they learned on FoxNews. But many have been asking me if I know about this guy, Bernie Sanders and then they tell me they are looking at him because they can't stand any of the Republican Klown Kar.

[skepticscott]

9. So if they can't stand ANY of the Republican candidates

it makes one wonder why they're Republicans at all, other than being politically brain dead to begin with. Because the GOP candidates quite accurately represent what their party is all about these days.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

12. Maybe Bernie will change them into progressives?

[skepticscott]

14. Well, I wouldn't hold my breath

If they actually favored the things Bernie is promoting, the question still remains of why they're Republicans and Fox News devotees to begin with?

[Le Taz Hot]

19. Actually, Wednesday night we had a Voter Registration table up

and there were several that re-registered from Republican to Democrat or No Party Affiliation.

[skepticscott]

23. Take the votes however they come, I guess

Though their thought process is still a deep mystery.

[eridani]

31. Probably not. They will probably say something like "I don't agree with him about--

--everything, but at least you know where he stands."

[Cleita]

13. They believe the low tax mantra of the Republican Party.

Most are land owners, ranchers mostly, so low property taxes appeal to them and that's why they vote Republican. Many are registered Independent though I should add. Also, we live in a media desert. Everything is right wing. You go to the gym, car mechanic or hospital and FoxNews is on. I also noticed in restaurants, that the bar TVs if not on sports have FoxNews. The local cable stations as well as the satellite servers have stations like Free Speech TV, BBC News and Al Jazeera on an upgrade tier and many don't pay for it because most of the people I know don't spend much time watching TV so if they watch news at all, it's FoxNews or CNN. The radio AM and FM are all right wing talk, sports or music.

Our local newspaper is very conservative. Our local university has probably five democratic students in it. I know. I met them when I was working a table in their student union attempting to register voters. One of the heartening things was that there was a group of students there at the Wednesday Bernie event from the university that were pro-Bernie, more than I had met on campus.

So, I think the reason Bernie appeals to the rank and file Republican and Republican leaning in my area is because he makes common sense to them. He isn't crazy and because he's been an Independent in the past, it has the appearance to them that they really aren't crossing the line and being faithless to their party and ideals. This is just MHO of course in trying to analyze this phenomena.

On edit: I forgot to add. When I asked the same conservatives, who are looking into Bernie, why they wouldn't prefer Hillary as her policies and ideals are closer to Republican ones, and to a one they tell me they don't like her and wouldn't vote for her. So there you have that on my casual sort of polling. Again, this is just MHO, and other may have very different experiences in their demographic.

[skepticscott]

15. Well, if that's all that's motivating them

it's hard to see how Bernie Sanders is going to appeal to them. He's certainly not going to lower their property taxes. I'm also finding it harder and harder to credit people who claim they vote Republican because they're "fiscal conservatives" and favor "limited government". Again, only the brain dead or people who haven't been paying attention at all for the last 35 years could imagine that they're going to get those things from the GOP.

I wish you luck, but maybe the best thing to hope for is that they'll vote for Bernie because he's not black and not a woman (yeah, I know..that's not much).

[Cleita]

16. I don't even know if they will vote for him but they are looking into him and that's

something from people who generally have closed minds. I added an edit on my original post to you, which I think you missed as we posted at the same time. I asked them if they wouldn't prefer Hillary if they were going to vote for a Democrat and I got a resounding no. But there is something about the rural mentality that they mistakenly still believe that you vote for the man not the party and these people think that way.

[merrily]

22. No POTUS is going to lower anyone's property taxes. That's local.

It seems you don't think much of Bernie's ability to appeal to voters. Why do you support him to win the primary?

[skepticscott]

24. I don't have much confidence

that many long-term, hardcore Republican voters are suddenly going to be swayed by what Sanders has to offer, since it is diametrically opposed to everything they have been supporting. That's not his fault, it's theirs. But my support for him is not based on whether he can appeal to such people, and while I'm sure he'll accept the support of any such that he can get, he does not need it to win, any more than Obama did. There are more than enough voters that he CAN appeal to.

[merrily]

25. Yet, Le Taz Hot told you she personally saw both Republicans and Indies switching

their voter registrations so they can vote for him in the primary. Moreover, what she witnessed is very consistent with what has been appearing on social media since people started to hear his positions.

[skepticscott]

26. Well no, not really

What she actually said was that she saw several people switch their registrations from Republican to Democrat or No Affliliation, with no mention made of who they intended to vote for. Which is fine and dandy, though it still makes me wonder about the thought process of such people.

[merrily]

27. True, but they made the switch at an event for supporters of Sanders. So, it

was not a wild leap to assume they were switching registration to be able to vote for him.

[skepticscott]

28. Why would someone switch to No Affiliation

instead of Democratic, if they intended to vote Democratic?

[merrily]

29. Lots of possible reasons.

Over half the registered voters in my state are registered "unenrolled," which is our equivalent of "no affiliation." Over half.

[valerief]

10. Young people don't watch shit like The Today Show, and they're the ones who need to get out and vote

[Android3.14]

11. I'd vote for Biden sooner than Clinton

Any day.

[restorefreedom]

17. corporate masters are terrified of bernie

the Debbie wasserman Schultz corporate wing of the Democratic Party is seeing the sinking ship that is Hillary Clinton. They desperately don't want Bernie to win because he's going to go to war with the oligarchs. So they're trying to push Biden into the race as an alternative to Hillary thinking that it'll wipe out Bernie. Good luck with that because Biden support is going to come mostly from Hillary supporters imo.

[2banon]

30. I remember when they did that to Kucinich.

soooo infuriating!