What happened to my country? Re: Bernie the white supremist?

[Feeling the Bern]

Are these people kidding? A man who has spent his life fighting for racial justice and equality is a racist why? Because Vermont has very few black people?

Bernie's from New York. Brooklyn I believe, which has lots of black people.

Have we become so unhinged to attack a man who has spent his life being more of a progressive liberal than most mainstream Democrats?

Bernie all the way!

[TheBlackAdder]

1. Politically ignorant people with questionable agendas. It's starting to come out about these two. nt

[Enthusiast]

2. Unhinged is a good word.

[MisterP]

3. it's about controlling the terms of the conversation: "white supremacist" means what they say it

means (and denying you are one is "white fragility" allowed by and therefore implicating you a supremacist system); Black Sandersonians are exceptions in some way (ways they define)

it elevates academese over any real-world considerations and tries to smother other possible interpretations

this all happened with the UVa and Duke cases: the rhetoric's still going strong regardless of the facts

[Cleita]

4. I posted this on another thread, but it's appropriate here. What is a white supremacist, really?

First, there is the KKK that we are all familiar with, the cross burning, sheet wearing, lynchers of black men in the south. These are the guys most people are familiar with.

But there is the northern version founded in Hayden Idaho by a Reverend Richard Butler, now deceased and hopefully burning in Hell. The Rev. Butler founded the Church of the Aryan nation. Supposedly, they are Christian, but won't acknowledge that Jesus was a Jew. You see they hate Jews, hispanics, African American and anyone who isn't European white. Their hero is Hitler. They tattoo themselves with swastikas. They don't believe the United States government has sovereignty over them so don't feel our laws pertain to them. Many of them beat their wives because supposedly the men are supreme. They hoard guns because they believe they will go to war with the USA one day. They congregate at that awful website known as Storm Front. They make the Freepers look like harmless morons.

I have known some of these clowns personally because I had to work alongside a few of them when I lived in Idaho. I actually had to call the sheriff on one of them who was yelling at and slapping his wife, my co-worker. She got mad at me because he got arrested and told me I should mind my own business. I had to listen to all the name calling of Jews, Blacks, Hispanics and other PoC. I couldn't do anything about it except tell them to shut up which I did often.

Well, now that you know what a real White Supremacist is, I hope you can see why comparing Bernie, who is Jewish and lost family to Hitler, is so over the top and egregiously cruel that I have no words. This would be insulting to any white American who wasn't one of that club, but to accuse a Jewish person of association with Swastika wearing, Hitler adulators is beyond awful. I like Bravenak and hope to see her posting soon because I know if she really realized what she was saying she wouldn't have.

But never ever accuse anyone of being a White Supremacist, especially a Jew, unless you are very sure they are.

[yourout]

5. Well said.....thanks.

[PatrickforO]

6. Karl Rove strategy to the max. Pump out lies through various swollen propaganda organs, and see

what sticks.

This approach is supposed to force Bernie to be reactive to the attacks instead of proactive toward the issues. To weaken him and his campaign by weakening his credibility.

This is why Bernie's grass roots campaign is so needed. Because we know the truth and don't have to listen to drooling propaganda spewing lies vomited forth by the mainstream corporate owned media organs. We can listen directly to Bernie on U-Tube, twitter, Facebook and other social media.

[MissDeeds]

14. Yep

If I recall correctly, Rove's strategy was to attack the opponent on his/her strengths. Swiftboat Kerry on his military experience, attack Tammy Duckworth on hers, and challenge Max Cleland's patriotism. Rove is a nasty, evil little worm.

[Cleita]

20. Uh huh.

I sometimes wonder if God didn't create Rove out of Dick Cheney's poop.

[MissDeeds]

22. Ha!

Good one!

[jmowreader]

8. There are still people here who idolize Richard Butler

Meet Shaun Winkler...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/klu-klux-klan-white-supremacist-running-sheriff-idaho-article-1.1047498

member of the Aryan Nations and their "Church of Jesus Christ Christian," current wizard of the North Idaho KKK, and former candidate for sheriff of Bonner County, Idaho. He said he wasn't going to run the county as a "white supremacist," but also said he wouldn't stop the weekly "cross lighting" ceremonies he holds on his compound.

Here's the sick part: almost 190 people voted for this man.

[Cleita]

9. Oh crap. That's the county I lived in.

There was a time they were being marginalized by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Now they are getting into office? This is a crisis situation. Many of them are criminals. One of the newspapers did a study and found that most of the robberies and hold ups in the area were being done by them.

[jmowreader]

24. Fortunately, they aren't getting into office

The real worrisome thing in Bonner County is all the sovereign citizens they have there.

[appalachiablue]

21. Thanks much, very well stated. And it's twisted and deformed. Not buying, esp. with our

large family across 13 states with people of every heritage and background- black, white, Hispanic, Native American, LGBT and close friends all over who are Christian, Asian, Jewish, Atheist, Sikh, Muslim, Catholic et al.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

7. "....white supremist?"

"Stop In The Name Of Love" fits.

[PotatoChip]

10. This article, written back in early April answered some of my questions.

It is quite long, but well worth the time. Plus, there are many links in it that lead to interesting information.

It is specific to the BLM movement in NYC. However, the issues raised had parallels to some that I had previously read about in the Phoenix and Seattle incidents.

I'll let folks draw their own conclusions, but the article helped put many seemingly nonsensical pieces of this puzzle together for me. Especially after I followed various links to additional information.

Sorry if this sounds cryptic. I just want to work things out a little more before I put too many wrong or foolish theories into words... Well that, and it's almost 9:00 pm eastern. Nearly my bedtime!

The Fight For The Soul Of The Black Lives Matter Movement

At a march in mid-December organized by Al Sharpton's National Action Network in Washington D.C., organizers rushed the stage and claimed that the old guard was attempting to hijack the nascent Black Lives Matter movement away from its founders.

"This movement was started by the young people," Johnetta Elzie, a key organizer from St. Louis, said to the raucous crowd. "There should be young people all over this stage."

It was one of the most visible examples of the clash between the old, signified by Sharpton, and the new, represented by grassroots groups who emerged from Ferguson and New York after the Michael Brown and Eric Garner grand jury decisions.

Sharpton has been extremely sensitive to this criticism. "Oh, you young and hip, you're full of fire. You're the new face," he sneered at a recent gathering at the headquarters of NAN in Harlem. "All that the stuff that they know will titillate your ears. That's what a pimp says to a ho."
At an MLK Day march in Harlem, the division between the old and the new was quieter but no less pronounced.

http://gothamist.com/2015/04/07/black_lives_matter_movement.php

[valerief]

11. People with a specific agenda--not one of equality and unity like Bernie--

will attack using tools out of the RW toolbox.

[Billsmile]

12. Been Trying to Find the Origin of BLM's Beef With Bernie

Think the trouble may have started with an interview with David Greene on NPR's Morning Edition. Greene had covered the Clinton campaign in 2008 focusing on racial attitudes & their effect on voters. Greene's interview with Sanders was aired on June 24 of this year.

The interview is somewhat contentious as Greene's topic is Sanders' history of gun votes. The topic shifts to Ferguson and things start to get interesting around the 3:25 mark. Around 4:20 Greene presses Sanders on use of the phrase "Black Lives Matter" and it gets heated as, in Sanders' view, it's more important to correct injustices and improve the lives of African Americans than it is to rely on "phraseology" that glosses over the root issues underlying the problems (hope I'm interpreting this correctly).

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/24/417180805/bernie-sanders-walks-a-fine-line-on-gun-control

[passiveporcupine]

13. check out this thread...it pretty much explains it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=505656

[PatrickforO]

18. Yes, this was a fantastic video by a great young man.

Made me feel better, you know, because the trolls...the trolls want us to get all bent out of shape and ONLY discuss Bernie's 'problem' with BLM. That way, we'll all get off message and ignore the REAL issues of global warming, income inequality, healthcare, huge college costs and so on.

Stay on message!

Good advice for ALL of us, including me.

[passiveporcupine]

19. His message was great!

This has been so confusing and frustrating for those of us who love Bernie and support BLM.

[appalachiablue]

23. You got it, stay away from our issues & let theirs continue to destroy us=$, finance, TPP,

big oil, MIC, PIC, Pharma, privatization and profitization of everything under corporate elite rule.

Stay on Message, Bernie 2016! Sanderstorm is Here!

[punguin54]

15. The more support he gains, the attacks will be even more devious.

The 1% will do everything and anything to take this breath of fresh air, honest candidate out. He needs more security.

[Doctor_J]

16. I had a feeling that many Sanders haters, even at DU,

were Palinites. It isn't a huge surprise that there would be some intersection between BLM and the Palin Fan Cub and the HRC fan club.

[ALBliberal]

17. Time for some Black leaders to step up for Bernie.