Common Dreams: H Real problem,emails are symptom

[artislife]

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/08/18/hillarys-real-problem-emails-are-symptom-not-issue
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Those who point out that by insisting on having her own email, she played into a narrative that has plagued her throughout her career are getting at the real problem for her – and us. It highlights the fact that she is secretive, distrustful, entitled, and politically opaque.

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Ms. Clinton’s pursuit of the presidency is like a Shakespearian tragedy which has been defined as a story "… which has a noble protagonist, who is flawed in some way, placed in a stressful heightened situation and ends with a fatal conclusion."

[aspirant]

1. "insisting on having her own email"

She asked the BLM members if wiping clean your server involves a cloth. Does anyone believe using a private server was her decision?

This is the major problem here, knowing what decisions she actually made. She claims Bill's decisions aren't hers, IWR was guided by Bush/Cheney fake intelligence and her SoS post was Obama's policy and she was just carrying out orders.

Where is the existence of Hillary in all of this?

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

3. That was a (bad) joke.

But the buck never seems to stop with her. She's good at passing the blame off onto everyone else and playing 'the victim', and a lot of folks are willing to buy her shtick.

[senz]

5. Good point. Something's just "off" in her campaign.

And people are starting to notice it.

btw, I cannot even begin to tell you how strongly I agree with your sig line.

[LiberalArkie]

10. GWB went into the presidency thinking that he could coast and no problems at all would come up

and all he would have to do is siphon money from the treasury for his buds and stay on vacation. Is HRC thinking the same? Does she think that the VP and her COS will handle everything?

I expect during the debate to hear a question about reducing Social Security and her reply will match the R's "We have to reduce the amount of money that is being paid out, so we can save it, we have to so we don't increase the deficit"

Her remarks always remind me of "We have to cut down the trees in the national forests to save the trees".

[senz]

11. I've wondered the same thing.

She is so buffered, protected, insulated that it wouldn't be surprising if that's how she expects her presidency to operate. She just wants to "win" it (for primarily ego satisfaction or "it's my turn," something like that) -- but I don't think she wants to do the work. She never talks about what she wants to accomplish as president; she has no enthusiasm for it. And this is why I suspect she's ambivalent about the whole thing.

[LiberalArkie]

12. I have probably missed stories, but for the life of me I can't remember anything

about Bill or Hillary ever being at any of the protests through the years. Hell Bill is 2 years older than me, and by 17(?) I had already had my head thumped and been stitched up in Selma. I am a white boy from south Arkansas also, just a few miles from Hope. I had been in Anti-War protests, I had been at the original Earth Day. Been at a lot of crap. But I was just a kid with a southern accent working for the phone company up north. Almost went to Woodstock (had to work that weekend).

I was just your average kid. But nothing has ever been said about the Clintons doing it. I must have missed it as I hope that they had done something as kids, not just trying to climb the corporate ladder as a lot of my conservative friends did. I got a black eye from a childhood friend when I showed up in El Dorado with an anti-war t-shirt. Maybe someone can point me to what they did as youths that showed how they would grow up and what they believed in as youth.

Just wondering

[senz]

13. Somehow I'm not surprised.

I think I heard that Hillary wrote a feminist thesis at college, but neither of them speaks of antiwar or civil rights activism or joining in rallies, marches.

Now compare that to Bernie. No comparison. He's the real deal; they're pols.

[LiberalArkie]

14. I don't want to think that they had more in common with Dick Cheney, Limbaugh and

the others than they did with John Kerry or Jonathan Myrick Daniels. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027091177

But their first thing seemed to be corporate law.

[senz]

16. This really does bring them into sharper focus, doesn't it?

Read the comment below yours, from SoapBox, and you'll see that this topic is something people need to think about. It's good that you decided to tell about your youth.

What a good and noble young man Jonathan Daniels was.

[SoapBox]

15. Wow...thanks to you folks for pointing out that "lack of protest" aspect...

I've NEVER even thought about that aspect of their lives.

[senz]

17. Maybe someone should bring this up as a thread.

Would probably need a handle of some sort. We could keep it in mind as we read the news...

[sabrina 1]

19. You're not the only one asking that question. A lot of people have begun to wonder

what the Clintons were doing as they are of the same generation as Bernie.

Bernie was doing what you were doing. But we are told now, that the Civil Rights Movement is irrelevant, that was fifty years ago'. They are in for a big surprise if they think that, maybe not to THEM. But I have seen many AAs on Social Media now asking why Bernie was attacked by those protesters, 'he is an ALLY, he marched with Dr. King'.

Sometimes things backfire badly, and it appears that the little stunt re Bernie is doing just that.

[hedda_foil]

18. The disingenuous wiping "with a cloth" bit was delivered at a press conference, not with BLM.

[JDPriestly]

2. K&R.

[merrily]

4. I've never seen either Bill or Hillary as noble protagonists.

[senz]

6. Me neither. I think the author is thinking of Greek tragedy

where the protagonist has a tragic flaw that trips him up. The usual flaw was an excess of hubris, which is pride. The protagonist in Greek tragedy is considered "noble" in the aristocratic sense.

It's certainly one way to look at Hillary's repeated attempts to gain the most powerful office in the world.

[merrily]

9. Point is, people who are less than noble in any way also have flaws, usually many.

Bubba was no towering hero or aristocrat with a single tragic flaw that caused his downfall. Hillary, either. In other words, I think the author is reaching. The saga of the Clintons is no Oedipus Rex.

[senz]

7. K&R -- this article deserves wide circulation

Great find, artislife.

[artislife]

8. Thanks everyone!

I hope this isn't a RW site!!


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