Non group members are trolling and alerting. Most mods will not take action.

[L0oniX]

Last edited Mon Aug 24, 2015, 04:13 PM - Edit history (2)

If you are not posting or active in the Bernie Sanders group and you alert on a post or thread we will not take action on it.

I just got 4 alerts by people who are anti Bernie Sanders. You can guess who they are and what groups they are from. I wanted to let you all know what they are doing.

For clarification ...group members may be deemed as being those that post in the group although all pro Bernie Sanders DU members may also be deemed as members of the group. The alerts I mentioned were from people who have and continue to show hostility to our candidate and or have been blocked from posting in our group.

[Phlem]

1. Thank You.

[rhett o rick]

70. Also, we need more progressives in MIRT and the Host's Forum.

Those that volunteer there do a great job, but progressives are under-represented IMO.

[Phlem]

74. totally agree.

[uppityperson]

86. EarlG put up the volunteer page, new term starts Wed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10134691

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

88. I'm sorry, but who makes that litmus test?

I was a member of MIRT. I can tell you I served with people who on certain issues I was on the opposite end of the spectrum from. I can't ever recall a discussion of one's politics and whether it affected banning a malicious intruder.

[villager]

2. And they are the first to holler loudest about such things happening in their "protected" groups

Exactly part of the unending and deliberate divisiveness Nadin was talking about in her post.

[L0oniX]

9. Yep ...and they alerted on that post too.

[840high]

46. Those 4 are only interested in divisiveness.

[nadinbrzezinski]

60. Yup

and at this point I think that is what they want. In effect to blow up the party...or just the parts they don't like. I will say it, this is neoliberalism.

[Vincardog]

3. Do tell. So there are some posters who might have a bit of an adgenda?

[peacebird]

5. Color me surprised - not.

[L0oniX]

8. ...and you can easily guess what group they are coming from.

[Vincardog]

13. Bet its those damned O'mally groupies

[L0oniX]

16. LOL

[jeff47]

63. Nope. Feel the Chaife!! (nt)

[merrily]

78. LOL!

[Cleita]

4. I think there should be a rule that non members cannot alert in a group.

If a post is inappropriate or violates terms of service, members will know it and alert on it. Outsiders are not needed to tell us what that is.

[L0oniX]

7. Most mods have agreed to not take action on alerts from those who are hostile to Bernie Sanders

[smokey nj]

10. I've also been sending aler abuse notifications to the admins.

[L0oniX]

11. I doubt we will get any help from them.

[BeanMusical]

109. I really doubt it too.

[Cleita]

12. That's a positive. Thanks.

[sabrina 1]

23. Good for the hosts, that is an abuse of what is imo, a very good, democratic system IF people

don't abuse it.

[libodem]

42. huh?

I question that. (Mostly I hope it isn't true.)

[Recursion]

31. There's no "membership" in DU groups though (nt)

[Cleita]

37. Link please. eom

[Recursion]

40. What do you mean "link"? There's no way to "join" a DU group

You can subscribe to a group, but anybody can do that (even somebody banned from the group). When did you "join" this group?

[Cleita]

41. Somebody left their sense of humor behind.

[merrily]

80. Most of us know, or can easily learn, who does and does not support Sanders.

[DonCoquixote]

59. I will see that and raise you

One of the biggest SHAME moments on DU is that the African American group has literally been invaded by people from other groups to the point where four major posters got alterstalked, and the same is there in the feminist group. Your rule would help them.

[SoapBox]

6. Thank you L0oniX

It's getting scary around this site.

[Duckhunter935]

14. Thank you

And they are the ones that scream the loudest and then hide behind alerts.

[sabrina 1]

24. Every time someone points a finger at someone else, four are pointing at THEM.

Too bad they don't occupy their time here promoting their own candidate, on the issues as Bernie supporters are doing.

[salib]

15. Yep

[gregcrawford]

19. Unrelated to the topic at hand...

... I couldn't help but notice your signature line. I loved Richard and Mimi Farina! Not many today remember that Mimi was Joan Baez's sister. I saw them live a couple of times; Mimi was killer on the autoharp. And I enjoyed Richard's novel, "Been Down So Long It looks Like Up To Me." He died the night of the release party for that book, if I remember correctly. Too bad; a terrible loss.

[salib]

21. Yes, a terrible loss.

Someone I loved wrote on the album sleeve to "reflections in a Crystal Wind", she wrote "not to be played". She wrote that after his death. I believe she kept that promise until she wanted to share it with me. I was quite honored.

Some times the key to poignancy is the subtle yet critical impact of inconsequential things. At least seemingly.

Thanks for commenting.

[merrily]

81. Great title.

[Demeter]

17. So, Why can't they be tombstoned?

Trolling is not good form.

[L0oniX]

18. Only the DU admins and MIRT can TS.

[d_legendary1]

20. This is pretty low.

I wonder if they're going after prominent members to get them banned?

[L0oniX]

25. IMO they are. They just alert stalked Nadine but then they've always done that.

[libodem]

43. Tee hee hee

[L0oniX]

69. They just alert trolled you for a hide.

[Eleanors38]

89. Well, certainly. The horns aren't symmetrical.

[passiveporcupine]

94. Actually, that was a pretty disgusting graphic

And I'm a Bernie supporter. I don't think things like that are really appropriate on DU. I'm not an alerter, but I can see why someone would alert on that. We are better than that people.

[L0oniX]

95. IMO it was harmless fun ..no worse than drawing moustaches on posters.

People are far too uptight ...can't sit back and laugh at themselves or anything/anyone else.

[passiveporcupine]

96. If it were a republican or something, I'd agree with you

But one of our Dem candidates running in the primary. I think that is rude and uncalled for on a forum that is supposed to support the democratic nominees.

Jokes are fine. But there is a thin line that I think was crossed with this one. Like I said, I don't alert, so it would have gone by me, no problem...but I can see why a Hillary supporter would alert on it.

[passiveporcupine]

22. This place is getting crazier by the day.

And we have a long way to go.

[DebJ]

28. Normal DU primary stuff. Where we fight each other instead of for our candidates

and against the R's. Nothing to new to see!

I just skim past the kindergarten stuff and look for what I want to read.


Deb J, skimming ugly posts since 2003.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

102. Twas like this in 2007 and 2008

[passiveporcupine]

105. I don't remember it being this bad, but it could be I was just skipping a lot of it

I was for Obama, but not a presence on this forum yet. So maybe I just blew past the ugly stuff because it was too exhausting. Now that I'm posting, I feel like a lot of it is aimed at me, so it's more personal. But still, I should be just blowing past it and ignoring it. It's not worth the heartburn.

Now my HeartBern is a good thing.

[sadoldgirl]

27. They also locked Nadin's OP, which was

just an effort to keep down any division.

I was not here during the 07/08 division,
but I think this one will put the old one to shame.

TPTB don't want anyone to rock the boat
seriously.

[grasswire]

29. could you link to Nadin's OP?

I can't seem to find it. Thanks.

[Catherina]

32. It's right here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251541358

I just rec'd it in solidarity.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

39. +1 n/t

[grasswire]

53. thanks nt

[longship]

64. Me, too.

I didn't know that one could rec a locked thread.

I rather like Nadine, plus I agree wholeheartedly with her evaluation. And I will go further. There are a bunch of folks here who act like immature two year olds. They need some adult supervision. Send them to stand in the corner.

[HubertHeaver]

35. I think this link will work:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251541358

[JoeyT]

30. The funniest thing to me about this primary division,

is some of the people screaming the loudest about how we have to back Hillary right this very second or we're awful people that want Bush to win because RON PAUL!!! are the very same people that trashed the hell out of her back then because they supported Obama.

[SoapBox]

56. Just be a zombie...

And do what they tell you to do!

Brains...Brains...Brains...

[nadinbrzezinski]

61. 2008...flashbacks.

Strong flashbacks.

[merrily]

77. That is VERY telling, IMO.

[Maedhros]

83. Personality cult [n/t]

[Duppers]

107. +100

[Live and Learn]

33. Nice to know that we have such great mods for the group. nt

[passiveporcupine]

34. The comment that really made my hackles stand up

was "It's her turn". I remember how pathetic it sounded coming from Ann Romney, and it's just as pathetic coming from a Hillary supporter.

It really gave me the chills hearing that.

[silverweb]

108. Yes!

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I reacted strongly and negatively to that line, too. The other thing that gets me is someone supporting Hillary solely because she's a woman.

Someone else posted, though I can remember whether it was here or on Facebook, that she "endured two Bushes, so now it's time for Republicans to endure two Clintons."



Voting based purely on gender or some misguided sense of dynastic entitlement is idiotic. Issues and policies, how a candidate addresses them, and that candidate's historical record are what count.


Feel the Bern!

[LovingA2andMI]

36. Thanks for the Heads Up....

And Amazingly, this is not surprising in the least. Between Bernie Surging, Biden buzzing a run and Hillary falling into a 2007/2008 delux with her poll numbers -- the natives are getting nervous.

Too bad they cannot focus on ways to make their candidate a better candidate instead of trolling and alerting things that still will not fix what's wrong with Hillary. #JustSaying....

[840high]

47. +1

They know she cannot be a better candidate. Hillary is what she has always been and always will be.

[eridani]

51. Don't agree. She could go off script and demonstrate what most of us only read about

I know I've read that in person she is warm, friendly, and has a great sense of humor. Those qualities just can't show through a script.

[SoapBox]

57. I hope her campaign doesn't figure all that out.

As much as I doubt it would help.

[cui bono]

66. The video of her with the BLM activists doesn't show that side of her.

Maybe in a completely non-political situation... I just can't see her being very genuine in most scenarios but the most private.

[eridani]

67. Probably not, but my point was that her campaign would work better if she went unscripted n/t

[merrily]

79. She's not running for Ms. Congeniality. None of those things would change my vote.

She could tell jokes until the cows come home, she still advocated for the war in Iraq, etc.

[eridani]

113. But maybe a more honest sounding apology?

If not, that would be a really bad sign.

[merrily]

114. Only if an apology can raise people from the dead, heal minds and bodies,

undo the de-stabilizing of the Middle East, replenish the US Treasury.

A war vote is not something you fix with an apology, as if you said something carelessly that hurt someone's feelings.

By her own words in the book she wrote as part of gearing up for this Presidential run, as she was writing letters to families of New Yorkers dying in that war, she knew the war was a mistake--and she still said nothing. What kind of apology could overcome that?

[marym625]

38. perfect post

Yeah, really, fuck that noise.

[TDale313]

44. This is really getting ugly.

I've been around through previous primaries, and yeah, this is as bad as I've seen it. Even 2008.

[glinda]

48. I agree with you. What surprises me this time around is the

bullying that is allowed to stand. Just as a courtesy to keeping Dems strong and unified, this craziness does not bode well for the future. Thank goodness I have been too busy to respond much to some things. But I read them and shake my head.

[zeemike]

52. It is worse now because we have an "outsider" running

Who has solid democratic positions that they find hard to counter.
So they are left with attacking his supporters with vague charges and name calling.

It is a sad thing to see but it is informative about motive and character.

[840high]

45. I can guess who they are.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

49. An attempted purge....

Kinda what they hope will happen in DC.

[L0oniX]

68. I just had my account flagged for NO REASON whatsoever.

Someone is playing games for sure.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

71. Oh come on,...you KNOW the reason....

You should be proud.

Kinda like finding out you're on Nixon's Enemies List.

[L0oniX]

72. Serious. No hides and I get a time out.

How does that happen?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

73. Wow,...that's like making it to Nixon's Shit List.

[L0oniX]

75. .

Sent an email asking why the time out. Pins drop.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

76. Was it explained what you did?

[Kali]

90. that must have been a glitch

when you are flagged you can't post.

was the flagged message there when you posted? it isn't there now (though it does say you had one hide in the last 90 days)

[L0oniX]

97. It was a notice in my email this morning.

[Kali]

99. was it for whatever got hidden?

usually the "flagged for review" notice is posted next to your profile and is generally a temporary time out for getting two hides in a row close together. when flagged like that you can't post at all until admins unflag the account.

you mentioned above that you didn't have any hidden posts but there is one listed, that is probably what you got in the in-box.

one hide doesn't do too much but you can't start a new thread in whatever forum it happened in for an hour or so and can't reply in the thread at all again.

[L0oniX]

100. -

The only hide I have is so old it's about to expire. Honest ...there was no reason for the flag. I know the admins reserve the right to TS anyone at any time with out explanation.

[Curmudgeoness]

106. My understanding is

that you can be flagged for review if one of your posts (like this OP) gets too many alerts. The first alert would be the only one that goes to jury, and the jury in this case would not have hidden it. But there might have been a pile-on of others alerting, which would bring this to the attention of the admins or MIRT. At least that is what I have been told elsewhere.

If you saw the email regarding the flag this morning, it probably went out last night and the email was sent, and you were unflagged before you ever opened DU back up. You would not have been able to post if you were still flagged for review.

[Kali]

112. oh, well that does sound like some kind of glitch

you might send Skinner a PM or let them know in ATA...

I don't think they are gonna kick you off of DU from anything I have seen you post.

[merrily]

82. Wow. That's disturbing.

[bvf]

50. Thanks, L0oniX. n/t

[RufusTFirefly]

54. But of course they are! They're gaming the system....

... which nicely echoes how our actual elections work.

[PatrickforO]

55. Cool that you're not acting on them. Lots of good debate going on in the Bernie group, but

there are some trolls.

[JDPriestly]

58. Thanks.

[Ichingcarpenter]

62. My Volvo broke down needs a $2700 repair

I would have responded earlier but I was stuck in the Hamptons.

and couldn't find a car rental unless I wanted a limo.

Thanks for the heads up .........

[dorkzilla]

91. LOL...I hope you had your emergency caviar on hand!

The same thing happened to me coming home from the Vineyard but luckily I had my chef make me some steamed lobster for the ferry ride. But alas, the butter wasn’t in the right container and dripped out so I had to eat it sans butter, with just one bottle of champagne. Imagine that!

Oh the things we Bernie supporters have to put up with.

[BeanMusical]

110. And I bet that it wasn't even Dom Perignon 2003 Rosé.

What is the world coming to?

[dorkzilla]

111. I clutched my pearls so hard

I had to have them restrung! Quell horreur!

[Blue_In_AK]

65. So you're saying that we're not even safe here?

Sad. Pretty soon the only place I'll feel comfortable expressing myself on DU will be the photo group.

[merrily]

84. Well, there's a hidden post right on this thread and L0onix's account got flagged

for no reason. So, I'm guessing we're not safe in the Bernie Group.

FYI, I am pretty sure the reason for the hide upthread was a photo.

[Blue_In_AK]

87. Oh, yeah, I saw that yesterday before it got hidden.

Navigating DU these days is like walking through a minefield. So many people are so easily offended, and it's really hard to keep track of what you can say to whom - with a few notable exceptions. There are some here that I'm never foolish enough to engage. I don't have them on ignore, but I do ignore them.

[jtuck004]

85. Gotta watch it. Many passionate people around these days, and people like their words

better, even here.

Just ask Trump.

[Unknown Beatle]

92. They're acting like conservatives

would act in a case like this.

[L0oniX]

93. I just now got another alert.

[Unknown Beatle]

98. They're relentless.

They'll continue with this for as long as possible.

[libdem4life]

101. I'd join the group if I knew how...help is welcome.

[L0oniX]

103. Silly. You're posting in the group so you are a member.

[libdem4life]

104. Oh...thanks. That's all it takes? Other than to express my deepest desire

is to proudly watch the inauguration of President Sanders.