Look at this hole the DNC has dug for itself

[fbc]

What a bind!

They are starting to realize how vulnerable Hillary Clinton is in a general election, but there's no way in hell their establishment savior Joe Biden can win the primary. If Hillary drops out, Joe loses to Bernie. If Hillary stays in, Bernie absolutely crushes them together.

Their best primary candidate, with her huge support in the red states that democrats can't win in a general election anyway, is their worst candidate in the general election because she is so disliked in the battleground states.

Oh what to do?!

Luckily, the solution turns out to be simple: #FeelTheBern

[JackInGreen]

1. Like most simple solutions

The DNC will probs miss it.

[PatrickforO]

2. Well, we've got a ways to go.

Bernie's still a bit behind, but gaining. I just heard on Today that Bernie is attracting the 'Warren wing' of the Democratic Party. As he's getting more and bigger crowds, he seems to be attracting more than just the so-called Warren wing.

But, yes, Clinton is vulnerable.

[fbc]

4. the media is so slow...

Warren Wing? what is this, May 2015?

I think most progressive have gotten over Warren as a presidential candidate. Bernie has turned out to be so much better than we hoped she could be.

[whathehell]

32. Don't kid yourself -- Warren is still a hugely popular

and any candidate who adds her to the ticket as VP, will have a major advantage.

[fbc]

33. She's popular because she is progressive.

Throwing in behind an establishment candidate when a viable progressive candidate is winning over progressive voters across the nation would be so out of character that I personally can't believe it will happen, and if it does I believe it would seriously damage her reputation.

[whathehell]

55. That's the biggest, but not the only reason

For one thing, she has the uncommon ability to presents herself as a fierce fighter and an

extra pleasant, approachable person at the same time.

Another rare skill she possesses is the ability to make complicated matters of

banking and finance comprehensible to average people.

[zentrum]

85. That's what I think

….may happen. A Biden-Warren ticket. That takes away Hillary's last (only) positive: her gender.

Bernie would be in their cabinet if he wants the job. Maybe as the Secretary of Labor.

Warren would be our first female President in 2020 or 2024.

I love Bernie. But I see a Biden-Warren ticket as a Bernie win too. Bernie is all about the ideas and we the people—not himself—so he'd be fine.

[merrily]

6. Rumor is that Biden wants Warren for VP.

[thesquanderer]

18. But how safely Dem is Warren's senate seat?

Remember Scott Brown.

I'd hate to risk any senate seat on a VP.

OTOH, if it increases the chances of a Sanders victory in November, maybe it's an acceptable risk.

But do you think having Warren on the ticket will persuade anyone to vote for Sanders who wouldn't have voted for him anyway? Certainly these wouldn't be potential Republican voters, they hate Warren. So it would be a GOTV maneuver for the base.

[merrily]

19. Remember how long Scott Brown lasted. Kerry and Kennedy kept those seats for decades.

Scott Brown was, I think, the result of a perfect storm. Bad, BAD campaign from Coakley, DNC and other Democrats steered clear to the point that Vicki Kennedy, who doesn't like her, was campaigning for her, rather than see her late husband's seat go to a Republican; Koch money for Brown, Romney's campaign people for Brown; Brown's wife in local media so local media went full bore for Brown;* Brown's campaign was deceptive--first ad associated him with JFK--and on and on.

Of Course, anything is possible, but I don't think Massachusetts is a big risk for another Republican Senator any time soon.


*When the news of Coakley's concession hit the Boston 5 reporter (Brown's wife's station), she literally jumped up and down repeatedly on screen. No attempt to hide the glee.

[merrily]

23. Oh, wait. The rumor is of a Biden-Warren ticket, not a Sanders-Warren ticket.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

28. If Warren vacates

A Republican will be appointed to doll her seat

[merrily]

60. True, which is one of many reasons Republican Governors are NOT okay, even if

the state legislature has more than enough Democrats to override a veto. Massachusetts has not had to taste that yet. When Kennedy died, we had a Democratic Governor who appointed Kennedy's choice for placeholder. However, the appointee of our creepy Republican Governor would be out come the next election. The next VP will take office January 2017. If vacated, Warren's seat will be filled by an elected Senator in January 2019. Two years. Not ideal.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

34. I've been hoping Bernie could get her. Point. Set. Match.

[merrily]

62. Not I. I would rather see her in the Senate than as VP, be it Sanders' or Biden's.

I would have been willing to lose her to the Presidency, but not to the Vice Presidency.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

65. If its required to win the presidency, I'd go with it.

[jwirr]

58. I hope she turns him down. A VP does not have the kind of freedom

she has as a Senator. What that would do is stifle her power as a progressive.

Her voice in the Senate is vital.

[merrily]

63. +1

[Mbrow]

69. Maybe thats the point,

As VP she wouldn't be stirring shit in the senate.

[jwirr]

71. Oh, I thought about that also. A way for the centrists to silence her.

[merrily]

77. Given the strength and persistence of the Draft Warren Movement, she is attractive as a VP,

especially for a man running against a woman That stands on its own. However, if they can marginalize both Sanders and her, so much the better for the centrists, maybe.

[JDPriestly]

76. Biden also has close ties to the banking and credit card industries. He is not a likely

winner of the Democratic nomination.

Someone compared Bernie to McGovern today.

I think Biden is more like McGovern, a nice guy, but lacking the strength to win the presidency.

Hillary is still drawing a lot of women's votes because we women would like to see a qualified woman president for once. (Hillary is, in my opinion, not qualified because of her record of mistakes of judgment.)

Biden would not even have that advantage for women.

Elizabeth Warren might make up for that, but Biden voted for the bankruptcy bill that has damaged the futures of students who can't pay their student loans off because the bankruptcy bill that Biden voted for blocks students from freeing themselves from their student loan debt in bankruptcy court.

Trump can take his corporations to Bankruptcy Court and dispose of his corporate debts, but students who owe on education loans cannot do that.

Biden voted for that. I don't think he is very believable when it comes to the disparity in wealth issue or regulating banks and creditors.

[merrily]

78. That McGovern lost because he was too liberal to win the Presidency is untrue.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12778825

That Mondale was liberal is itself untrue.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12779277

That Carter lost because Kennedy challenged him in a primary, also untrue.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12778873

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12778872

All the above untruths are designed to do one thing, keep centrists in power, no matter what voters want.

To the above, add the institution of Super Delegates.

[jfern]

81. Ready for Warren endorsed Sanders 2 months ago

[no_hypocrisy]

3. If the democratic party loses the WH and at least one house in Congress in 2016

I lay the blame squarely on the DNC for preventing the party from evolving.

[jeff47]

5. Gerrymandering means we won't win the House in 2016.

Thanks to our "OMG!! WE'RE SO SORRY WE PASSED THE ACA!!" strategy in 2010, the House is basically out-of-reach until 2022.

[merrily]

7. And perhaps beyond, 2020 being the next census year. Remember, losing the House in

the census year of 2010 was what enabled the Republican gerrymandering in the first instance.

Of course, 2014 campaign strategy was not only "We're sorry we passed ACA." It was also "Don't mention Obama."

I watched Joe Scarborough try for an entire segment to get Debbie Republican Schultz to say Obama's name. He failed and spent a good part of the next segment laughing at her.

[aggiesal]

44. The difference between 2010 and 2020 ...

is that 2010 was not a Presidential Election year.
It was a mid-term election, which Dems notoriously avoid for some reason.

While 2020, will be a Presidential election year, and hopefully a Dem re-election.
This should turn out more than the 2010 election, and maybe vote Dem down
ticket, so that state houses get flipped as well.

Big Pie-In-The-Sky for now, but one can dream.

[merrily]

50. Good point and more reason than ever to work for Sanders.

[StevieM]

74. What concerns me is that some states may have also gerrymandered their state legislative district

boundaries. I am wondering how easy it will be to win those legislatures in 2020.

Democracy and popular rule are not big concerns for the GOP.

[davidpdx]

83. A very good point and that is cause for optimism if we can survive this election and not have

a DLC ticket for president.

[Major Hogwash]

70. Not all of the congressional districts the GOP holds now are impervious.

Some of those districts look like they were drawn by a bored 8-year old because of the way their borders slither between areas known to have a lot of independent voters, or Democrats, residing within them.
But none of those districts should be ignored by Democrats who want to run for Congress.
Every single one of the Republicans representing the districts drawn like that should be challenged at the ballot box next year by a Democrat.

[jeff47]

87. True, but enough of them are impervious to keep the majority

Barring some very, very, very, very massive anti-GOP elections.

[closeupready]

31. Yup. Completely agree.

[jwirr]

59. Agreed.

[merrily]

8. The rumor is of a Biden-Warren ticket.

[daleanime]

10. Do you choose a primary candidate.....

by their possible choice of running mate?

[merrily]

21. I don't, but I think a good number of Warren fans might.

Not only is Warren Warren,but she is a woman. A woman with a brain and with Sanders-like principles.

The article I read said that Biden would promise to serve only one term and "leave the whole thing" to Elizabeth. (or words to that effect). Tell me, how do you "leave" the Presidency to anyone?

[zeemike]

35. Carefully designed to peal off Sanders supporters.

I don't believe a word of it.

[SoapBox]

42. Yup!

Something is up and I don't like it.

If she sides with Biden and not Bernie, that's gonna piss me off.

And if DWS / DNC has their fingers in this, it's gonna be a fucked up mess.

[zeemike]

49. Yep me too.

But this is just a false meme...the VP choice does not come till after the candidate is selected...so they are floating this to peal off support for Sanders.

The triangulation game is in full swing.

[merrily]

80. True, but they can announce it and campaign together.

It's not binding, but voters will take them at their word--especially Elizabeth

[merrily]

51. We'll see. After Bernstein floated the rumor that Biden is

considering jumping in and talking to people about it, the Warren rumor came out. Then they had a meeting. Then she did not commit to running for the Senate again. Of course, she just may want to retire. I find it hard to believe that she was so adamant about not running for President, only to be delighted by a chance at the number two slot. But, if he sells her on the idea that it's either the two of them or a Republican President for the next 4 to 8 years, who knows?

[GoneFishin]

72. Definitely. I am certain that if Hillary's stock was not dropping that Biden would not be exploring

this at all. Which means that it is really about freezing out anyone who is not a Washington insider. I seriously think that the corporatist wing of Democratic party would rather see a moderate Republican win the WH than a liberal Democrat.

[magical thyme]

43. I'm a woman, Warren supporter. I wanted her as President.

I do not want Biden as President. I prefer him way over Clinton, but adding Warren to Biden's ticket won't move me, although the political games and insult to my intelligence would tick me off.

As far as I'm concerned, the only way I would even consider switching from Bernie is if Warren was to run for Pres.

[merrily]

45. Good to hear!

[winter is coming]

56. ^^ This. And I don't see Warren going for this bait-and-switch attempt, either.

If this is actually happening (as opposed to the media trying to whip up a story out nothing), the DNC is playing the "how little can I offer and still get your vote?" game. Give us someone who shares Bernie's views in the VP slot, and then do their damnedest to isolate/disempower that person. No thanks.

[840high]

73. As much as I admire her - don't think she would win in general.

[Android3.14]

11. I'd go for that if Bernie falls

We need Sanders, but I'll take Biden and Warren (this part is essential) over Clinton in a heartbeat.
With an HRC nomination, I have zero enthusiasm.

[merrily]

13. I feel your pain.

[merrily]

25. P.S. The tag team approach, just to make sure a leftist does not win, is a huge turn off for me.

I don't care if the ticket is God Almighty and Warren.

[haikugal]

29. Yep, I'm with you. n/t

[Enthusiast]

67. Me too.

[NorthCarolina]

36. Honestly, I don't envision Warren teaming with Biden.

Their politics are two completely different stripes. Together they would make plaid, and nobody votes for plaid.

[merrily]

41. Either she will or she won't. Either way, Bernie has my primary vote.

[randr]

9. The real problems for the DNC

They can not look beyond the belt way. They are all old.
I am looking for a dark horse candidate to appear who will make this distinction obvious.

[Hiraeth]

14. dark horse. -- I think that is what's different about this election season:

the dark horse broke out earlier than usual.

The dark horse is Bernie. He just announced earlier than I expected.

I thought he would hold back longer before making his announcement.
It is a long campaign season but, I think Bernie can go the distance.

[merrily]

17. The poster seems to have a problem with the ages of Joe, Hillary and Bernie.

[Hiraeth]

20. One could say that the poster made an ageist comment, yes.

[merrily]

26. One tried not to say it, but one certainly could have said it.

One could also have mentioned that one does not know of a young person who could have held up under the schedule Sanders has imposed on himself, but one did not.

[Hiraeth]

30. Yes it was implied and this reader inferred that was what the OP was alluding.

Where I work there is a 74 y/o man working rings around his twenty-something colleagues in a very physically/emotionally demanding position. I find him working while I find the twenty-somethings out back taking a smoke break.

He gets the job done while they smoke high dollar/brand name cigarettes which they can afford because they are still living rent free at Mom and Dad's house.

[merrily]

46. And probably not lifting a finger at Mom and Dad's, either.

I heard a younger comedian do a bit on this once.

I don't remember much of it, but I do remember the premise and the punch line.

The premise was how much an older person gets done. The punch line: "I go to the post office and the dry cleaner in the same day and I need a nap."

[Hiraeth]

52. Well, I have to admit, it wears me out writing the mortgage payment check every month.

I find that I am not capable of doing much more the rest of the day except pulling couch duty with a good movie.

I think it has something to do with writing all those zeros behind the eight, makes me tired looking at that check much less getting to the Post Office to mail it

[merrily]

53. I have trouble with certain tasks, too. I procrastinate, zone out, etc.

The rest of the time, I'm merely lazy.

j/k

[Hiraeth]

54. .

[U of M Dem]

57. One could also say ageism goes both ways.

This home-owning, Master's degree wielding, day job toting, twenty something must be an outlier to the "millennials are lazy and entitled" narrative I suppose.

Explore the bias and get to know those young whippersnappers, they might surprise you: http://www.lifehack.org/articles/work/8-reasons-millennials-seem-lazy-work.html

[Hiraeth]

61. This one agrees. My post was anecdotal not, indicative. Just stating my daily experience is all.

[U of M Dem]

68. And this one is glad for it.

I appreciate your observations and anecdote. It seems my response was in the realm of the knee jerk / my own bias.

I have been acquainted with ageism and, on very few occasions, racism (misplaced) at the work place.

I say misplaced since I know these instances of prejudice are collateral consequences of greater systemic failures.

Regardless your words inspired me to post this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251543503#post2

[randr]

66. The poster is of the same age group as JH&B

And I will be supporting Bernie.
I am merely agreeing with the original post that the DNC has dug itself into a hole.
I see the lack of younger candidates as a problem.

[merrily]

16. This is the Sanders Group. If you are looking for someone else, please don't look here.

[Hiraeth]

12. Trump says: You're fired! Sanders replies: Feel the bern!

[Motown_Johnny]

15. At least she is imploding now instead of a year from now.

When/If Bernie wins the nomination the DNC will rally behind him.

I am more curious about the money in Hillary's SuperPACs. Once her political career is officially over, what happens to the cash? Will they take out ads for Bernie and/or against the Republican nominee?

[Hiraeth]

22. lol ... good question. Time will tell. Been an interesting process this time, have to admit.

[Hoppy]

24. If Biden is in, Hillary is toast.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

27. Yes

[fbc]

38. Because Bernie will win.

Biden can't beat Hillary in the primary.

He'd face the same issues Bernie has to overcome, her support in the red states, but without the huge base of support that is growing behind Bernie.

[merrily]

47. Given the electoral college, support in the red states is not a huge comfort in the general.

[Demeter]

37. Maybe they tried to draft/proposition Elizabeth Warren, too

anything to keep a finger in the pie...except sharing it with the 99%

[bigwillq]

39. I do not want any recycled candidates

Like Clinton and Biden.

I am happy with Sanders, O'Malley. I could see myself supporting either one of them.

[merrily]

48. They don't care what you want. That seems relatively obvious.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

40. I'm waiting for them to claim Bernie will get ZERO support from Dems in Congress.

[L0oniX]

64. The warnings about this were early on ...and ignored.

[rhett o rick]

75. It's only logical. nm

[merrily]

79. Maybe it was not ignored. Maybe it was anticipated, but they knew they had Biden in the wings, just

in case. If I were Biden and wanted to be President, I would have taken that bet.

[INdemo]

82. With Biden entering the race(assuming he will)

did the DNC just give Hillary a no confidence vote? Or did the DNC make public their fear that Bernie Sanders just might win the nomination?
We need leadership in the DNC and it is time Debbie Wasserman Schultz is fired, as she should have been on November 4th 2014 just after the votes were counted.
The DNC of today does not represent the Democratic Party and Ms. Schultz is not a Democrat. She is a Republican lite and anyone that allows their home State Democratic Party to be run by former Republicans is not worthy of this national party chairmanship.

The DNC of today is just an extension of the DLC.
The DNC of today is not an organization of progressives.

[zentrum]

84. Not so sure.

I'm a huge Bernie supporter and think he will be an FDR-level President. But, it's occurred to me since Joe just met with Warren—and the rumor is that she is endorsing him—that it may become a Biden-Warren ticket. I find that interesting and very hopeful. Warren would then be the first woman President when she runs in 2020 or 2024.

[turbinetree]

86. There was one vote that people may have ..............................

forgotten about and it was the bankruptcy laws re-write and how it was voted on, passed and signed

http://www.creditinfocenter.com/bankruptcy/who-voted-for-new-bankruptcy-laws.shtml

As far as I am concerned that is a issue.
And has a progressive democratic-socialistic bleeding heart liberal------------I for one, do not believe in servant hood or any form of a debtors prison inside or outside--------------and that one vote created more of a third rate country, look no further than medical debt that is still happening, student debt, and to this day we are seeing still a mortgage crisis, its just not being reported and then the so called "great recession"---------------it was and should have been called the great get out jail free card for the criminals that created it---------hedge fund managers, banks, and other criminal ponzi scheme wall street types that exploit it today----------Trump


And when it was rigged against one side for the other side that day-----------then my vote will translate to Sanders more than ever


Honk--------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016