Personal attacks are getting really vicious against me the more I speak out.

[Bonobo]

Can I hide in here for a few minutes?

[JackInGreen]

1. Natch

Supporting Dr.West is unpopular. When he speaks truth it's unvarnished and raw language. A lot of folks I saw going after you defend the #BLM bombthrowing, but rank Dr.West to the dogs and back because he dares.....oh god I almost said something about shovels that would have been TERRIBLE....he dares to speak plainly and powerfully to the short comings on display.

[daleanime]

8. +1

[snagglepuss]

2. No wonder that OP on HRC fundraising is masterful;clear, concise and

spot on.

[Bonobo]

5. Thanks, you guys are healing me as we speak. nt

[n2doc]

3. That is just a sign that you are getting through the self delusion of your opponents

Personal attacks are a sign that the attacker has nothing else to respond with.

[wendylaroux]

4. it is nice in here,feel the warmth of the bosom of a family:)

the stuff going on out there is .and and and

[Bonobo]

6. I do. I do. nt

Like falling asleep on a feather pillow.

[AlbertCat]

7. Can I hide in here for a few minutes?

Dude! Take a breather.

But I hope (and don't think) this group has become a sycophant echo chamber and someone may ask a probing question about Sanders or bring in some unflattering meme or news to discuss, analyze and hash out.

This is of course healthy.

I read somewhere that some fervent supporter of someone else has something like 110 posters on ignore.

If you have over 100 people on ignore.... should you even be here on DU? Is that helpful for finding out what's up with your chosen candidate? Are any questions and criticism a "disruption"? Are we here to just smile and nod our heads like a bunch of cattle?

I hope not! I don't see that here. But compared to GD.... it is an island of calm.

Here.... have a seat. Want coffee? A lemonade?

[Bonobo]

10. It's late, maybe a chocolate milk? nt

[marym625]

11. or perhaps

110 people are feeling the burn of the Bern.
Shame on me. I'm a host and shouldn't say that

[magical thyme]

37. I have well over 100 on ignore...but it's not partisan

it's about posters who are consistently rude or mean-spirited (not necessarily to me -- rude to anybody) and offensive on any number of topics, including in the Lounge, consistently snarky, or with whom it is impossible to have a discussion ever.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

40. My ignore list is up to 163.

The vast majority of whom got on it for tossing around insults. A few folks I generally agree with, but can't seem to talk to without them getting offended. And one guy just because I find his general smugness so irritating, heh.

No one for 'asking questions' or simply 'criticizing'.

And DU is full of wonderful people I DON'T have on ignore, and works just fine.

[Zorra]

47. About 150 on mine, and it's a democratic underground again for the first time in years.

Agreed, DU is full of wonderful people I don't have to ignore, and works just fine.

[Lordquinton]

51. General Smugness

Sounds so important, like a decorated hero.

[BeanMusical]

55. Lol! Good one.

[Blue_In_AK]

46. I don't have anyone " on" ignore,

I just ignore them. It's probably the same people, though.

[artislife]

53. I just have one

Because they are so angry and I feel impotent in any response...though this person has never engaged with me. But they are very verbal and are seething.

[BeanMusical]

56. Same here. Except for one who's blocked from sending nasty PMs.

[AlbertCat]

71. I don't have anyone " on" ignore

Neither do I.

I also just ignore them.

Except when they set themselves up for a good joke.


I also never alert on anyone.

Nothing on this message board is worth the trouble. It's a message board!

[Blue_In_AK]

75. Exactly.

If something is really bad, I know someone else will take care of the alerting. I sure get called for a lot of juries, though.

[marym625]

9. stay. Sit a spell

Relax and just feel the Bern!

[daleanime]

12. Take as much time as you need....

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. These people are ...

they still stalk and alert here though, fair warning.

[Zorra]

14. Have you been stalked, or gotten any threats, in your DU Mail yet? nt

[Bonobo]

15. A while ago. Vanilla threats. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. I blocked her

[Fuddnik]

44. First one I blocked.

I'm up to 5. One added yesterday.

It should be more, but I think I'm intrigued by the stoopid and the entertainment value.

[nadinbrzezinski]

45. I only did email,

I will not completely put anybody on full ignore.

[Aerows]

69. Me too

There are some posts not worth reading and heaven forbid replying to.

[SoapBox]

25. I got emails from that one too.

Like others said, hang here...

I tend to look at what is in the Trending on the front...if it looks Bernie positive (whether it be in here, GD or Crazy Town..ha!) I'll see if his supporters have jumped in and at least do a K and R...tough for them to Alert on that!

They are desperate...her campaign is a total fail.

[Bonobo]

26. I got like 6 a day from her.

It was borderline psycho stuff.

[senz]

64. I got two. Neither one made any sense.

After the second one, I did the email equivalent of backing away very slowly while nodding and smiling. So glad to hear this is not uncommon.

[cascadiance]

36. I think we just need to be careful and be too the point in what we post...

I got a post hidden for the first time since I was on DU just the other day.

It was asking why the debates were being held up, and I posted a picture I'd found on the internet of Debbie Wasserman Schultz and called her a DINO and said she was probably trying out for a part in the next sequel of Jurassic Park. That by itself probably would have been OK, but I wanted a picture of her as well lo make a statement. I googled her and found a pic of her with a picture right next of her of Jar Jar photoshopped on her face. I wasn't really intended to put that image as a comment on her physical appearance, but to make the DINO connection more definitive, as Jar Jar had the appearance of a "dino"... Probably would have been better off looking for another pic with the text "DINO" next to her instead. Anyway it got hidden because people thought I was being mean spirited and making a comment on her appearance being like Jar Jar, which wasn't really my intent (even if it might have been the intent of the person doing the original photoshop). I just told myself I need to be careful and not let other meanings that I might not even be intending be conveyed in a post that are more personal in nature and not to the point of a political issue or the like with the "alert stalking" environment we're in.

[ancianita]

48. Funny stuff. Your post. Not the hide. Still. Women's appearance as an argument. Ugh.

Given the damage she does in support of corporate candidates, you were right to call her a dinosaur. I would have 'gotten' it.

Wish I'd been on the jury. I can't stand purist, political correcties' alert stalking around here.

[Blue_In_AK]

60. The only post I ever got hidden

In over 10 years here was one where I said Condi Rice reminded me of Dr. Zira from Planet of the Apes. It was the hairdo I was referring to, but it got hidden because it could be perceived as racist. That thought hadn't even occurred to me.

[smokey nj]

61. My first and only hidden post ever was here in the group.

I called out an intruding Hillary supporter.

[cascadiance]

65. Interesting that you mention Condi Rice here... She and my dad had a common faculty advisor...

Madeline Albright's father! Not that I would defend Condi for what she did as one of Bush's tools.

[senz]

63. Sounds like you deserved a Creativity Alert.

Too bad they don't have those; could be accompanied by a little award symbol on the comment.

Some Hillary Supporters are exceedingly sensitive to anything that could be considered even remotely sexist. Seems a bit authoritarian to me. So, yeah we have to be very, very careful.

[haikugal]

54. Hi...take a breather, you've been on fire!

I've been enjoying your posts, and I appreciate your advocacy for Bernie, thank you!

I'd like to ask you what is a vanilla threat?

[LiberalElite]

79. Vanilla

has been on my Full Ignore list for some time.

[merrily]

17. Have you thought about why you post in GD:P at all?

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. I have been considering that they need the complete silent treatment

the whole lot.

[Bonobo]

19. I grew up bullied too. I was small but NEVER did I back down.

Some things don't leave you.

[merrily]

20. Love ya, but that doesn't answer the question. You don't have to go to the home of the bullies.

[Bonobo]

21. GD:P is not their home and neither is DU.

DU, for me, right or wrong, was built with an ideal in mind.

To speak truth and NOT give in to Democratic or other Washington-based machinery.

DU is the underground that the grass should sprout from. The real core values.

I won't let that be undermined with party machinery. I'd rather be thrown out.

[merrily]

23. Disagree, but I won't debate.

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. DU is not that, never was

Once you look though the looking glass... will PM you some information you need to know

[Bonobo]

30. I'm a hopeless dreamer. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. You got what a birdie dropped on me

at Facebook

[Bonobo]

33. A birdie, huh. That will take some time to absorb.

It gets really tough when you realize that one of the most effective ways to hide stuff on the internet, awkward truths, is to hide it by embedding it in false stuff --that is the art of disinformation as you know.

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. Why do you think I take this place so seriously these days?

for those who need it.

[LiberalArkie]

66. I brought up in a thread one day how operators of social networking sites, and other areas where

a lot of people can be influenced often tie themselves to a candidate hoping (or knowing) they will get a ride to the capital. If they can swing enough people. I have seen it happen in Little Rock several times.

Some very interesting people on DU made comments.

[RoccoR5955]

22. Me too

Whenever I mention something that someone is uncomfortable with, they tend to get vicious.
You gotta just have thick skin. Just grin and bear it, because they know that you are right, and they are wrong!

[LWolf]

24. Come on in.

[ejbr]

27. Found you!

[Bonobo]

28. Eeeeeeeek! Go away! nt

[LWolf]

31. The way I'm seeing it,

it's becoming harder and harder to justify support for HRC. And the harder it gets, the weaker SHE gets, the more vicious the attacks are.

There's really very little they can attack Bernie with. On issues? He leaves her in the dust on economic justice, and passes her without a problem on social justice. So what have they got? The traditional push to marginalize candidates from the left. It's not working this time, though. Nothing their doing is working, which is why the attacks are getting more and more vicious. And it's why there's suddenly a Biden frenzy. If HRC can't do it, and she can't, somebody has got to rein in the left. I don't think that's going to work, either.

It shouldn't surprise me anymore, really, but it does. I'm always about issues. I'm a Sanders supporter because he's got the best record and best platform...on issues.

It is illogical and unreasonable to me to see people shouting about issues one moment, and shoving those same issues under the rug, or rationalizing, the next when it threatens the status of an individual Democrat. For so many, it seems to be more about the story you tell, the way you spin reality, than the actual issues affecting people on the ground.

This is the best, and maybe the only, chance Democrats have to take their party back from neoliberals whose policies have made the party less relevant. I honestly don't get why any Democrat wouldn't want to do so.

Except for neoliberal Democrats, of course. Are there really that many of them?

[MisterP]

35. that's always the problem with a personality-only campaign: if they even think about the issues

they assume that "X likes all the issues you like because they're X" and "policy Z and Y are good because X supports them"; they end up admitting they have nothing, so it has to be counterbalanced with vitriol

in some countries the duopolistic parties can perfectly match on policy, so they end up digging up 50-year-old massacres and saying the other party'll unleash the death squads if elected (entirely true, but overlooking that BOTH party chiefs had run the squads)

[Enthusiast]

70. The vicious attacks are a turn off, man.

People are on to these neoliberals now. The masquerade is failing.

[ashling]

38. No - you can run, but you can't hide

or so I've been told - I could be wrong about that ...

[sarge43]

39. Great line from The West Wing

"If they're shooting at you, you're doing something right."

[dorkzilla]

41. It is INSANE what’s going on in here

I don’t post anti HRC stuff so I haven’t been on the attack list yet, but I’m painted with the Bernie Brush and some people who were “friends” before who are active in HRC won’t engage with me at all. It’s so childish - - just because we’re supporting different candidates?

I do have some friends & former employers who are close to HRC. I understand she is a genuine, likable and very intelligent woman. She was a fantastic Junior Senator for our State. She has many great qualities and it sounds like I would like her very much. But even the people who know her sum up her prospects with the simple word “baggage”. Most of the BS she has to deal with is manufactured, like that stupid email “scandal” and some hangovers from Bill, but some things I will never be able to swallow, like her way-too-cozy relationships with the banks (some of the aforesaid employers are hedge fund managers), her reluctance to take a stand on XL, and her proclivity - like most politicians, not just HRC - to wait to see which way the wind is blowing before taking a stand on important issues (like gay marriage) is bothersome. I love that Bernie is so absolutely genuine and consistent. He’s an old-school public servant who has not enriched himself by his position.

Will I vote for her if she is our candidate? Absolutely. Do I think she’ll be our candidate? Objectively, the answer is daily becoming less and less certain, and I believe she will NOT be.

But I’m not going in the HRC group to say that, and I think they should just leave us alone in here. We should be able to be enthusiastic about our candidate without being attacked.

[davidpdx]

72. I have had the same experience...

I don’t post anti HRC stuff so I haven’t been on the attack list yet, but I’m painted with the Bernie Brush and some people who were “friends” before who are active in HRC won’t engage with me at all. It’s so childish - - just because we’re supporting different candidates?

I can think of at least two DUers who I would say I was friendly with (no necessarily friends because I didn't know them outside DU) up until early this year. One of them said that I apparently don't sufficiently support President Obama enough. I challenged the person on the statement and I got nothing but crickets. Both of them are being self-centered assholes (note not only did I not use names, I also didn't specify which gender they were).

We have continued to have Clinton supporters who come in here and tout who they are and lecture us. I honestly don't feel like turning the other cheek. No, more like whacking them over the head.

[dorkzilla]

74. Im trying to stay above the fray

It is so fucking juvenile and petty - - what I can’t understand is do these people think they’re going to change our minds? And then complain about our group lecturing them? I’ve seen HRC threads calling us Berniebots, nut jobs, freaks, extremists, delusional and all sorts of other really ugly things. Are we supposed to have a group hug after the primaries?

I love how they come in here saying the polling numbers in NH mean nothing, but her polling numbers in Iowa are significant in the HRC group.

I wish we could just play nice in the sandbox, agree to disagree, and stop doing the GOP opposition research for them. It’s fucking tiresome.

[bbgrunt]

42. all good warriors need a r and r break! love your posts.

[jeff47]

43. I deal with it by thinking about how small the other's poster's life must be

that lying or hurling blind insults on the Internet is a significant part of their life.

Also, if all they have are insults, they have nothing.

Kinda takes the sting out of anything they say.

[juajen]

49. Hiding is futile and undemocratic.

No one in this forum should have to hide, or be intimidated because of an opinion, especially a democrat.

Chill, people! Do not denigrate anyone here because they do not agree with you. This board belongs to the people who started it, and direct it. Start your own forum if you are unhappy here.

Please do look and see who I support, because I will not announce it. That is just not necessary. My opinions are my opinions. Respect is what this board has always been about. It isn't a place to hide, or run from. Your opinion does not have to be endorsed by this board. Skinner will do what he wants to do, for example. Since when did individuals posting here decide they could say what this board stands for or does not.

Strife is weirdly taking over this wonderful place that we love to come and cuss and discuss over. All of you, get a grip!

[MuseRider]

50. And I am going to hide in your thread for a moment.

I don't want to fight
I don't want to fight
I don't want to fight

I don't think I could get a thread hidden if I tried to anymore *on a normal day* but right now I am fuming.

I am not going to fight stupid.

I am not going to take the bait.

Taking a cue from who? My ass.

Nope, gonna stay right here, I bet it is a duzy later to read but I am not going to do it.

[BeanMusical]

58. I like the way you think.

[olddots]

52. DU is acting like a 14 year old

I kind of stalk tou because I like your point of veiw .

[Eleanors38]

57. Well, you can hide out in the Gungeon.

[Catherina]

59. Put them all on ignore

They're baiting you to shut you up (their first intent).

Every time you respond it helps them derail the thread (their second intent) and opens you up to silly alerts.

They have nothing in their bag of tricks except attacks against Bernie supporters.

Don't entertain that garbage. Totally ignore them. It's not backing down from a fight, it's simply not stooping to their level and allowing them to derail a thread. They hate being ignored. So do it. Be even more vicious. Ignore them.

[Zorra]

77. We think so much alike, hermana. Why waste thought, time, and energy on

debating what is ludicrous, deceitful, ignorant, sycophantic, etc?

All we need to do is speak fact and truth, and let detractors babble inanely at each other, all full of sound and fury, and signifying nothing except for the toxic fumes of burning plastic.

We can state our case, and discuss it reasonably among ourselves, while others jabber angrily and senselessly to each other, into the void of empty cyberspace.

Without an audience, those whose purpose it is to deceive can only further deceive themselves.

[senz]

62. Shows you're effective, Bonobo. They just ignore me.

So I don't know whether to feel jealous or relieved.

Just be careful -- and know you're doing good work for a good cause. But be careful.

[Aerows]

67. There are a few folks

around here that are new and shit-stirring for all that they can. Unfortunately, we have some folks that aren't new that shit-stir as well.

I try to keep it in perspective - at least they are giving somebody, somewhere a rest.

[Bonobo]

68. The accusations of racism against me for defending Cornel West are new benchmark of stupidity. nt

[rhett o rick]

76. Absolutely. Self-Righteous bullies. Confront politely, stick to issues, and when they

are toxic, put them on ignore. (I preach this but not the best at following it) I believe there is a purge on and they are trying to bait you.

[davidpdx]

73. Peace to Bonobo and all the Sanders supporters

I'm outta here......night!

[Bonobo]

78. Out of hiding, thanks.

Today I feel more like I deserve a cigarette. In bed.