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[Ichingcarpenter]

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[Puglover]

1. I would like to host.

But disclaimer. I am against this group becoming an echo chamber. I do NOT believe that posters should be booted if they voice legitimate criticism or concerns. Someone has already said these groups are for "supporters" of their candidates. I support my husband however in order to have a relationship with him that isn't like a 6 year old and his Mommy at times we need to say things that are not always praise.

A serial disrupter or troll or concern troll is easy enough to suss out. Please lets not be in a position where we have a boot list longer then I am tall.

Thanks.

[Ichingcarpenter]

5. thanks for getting this started and also for

stating your position on what it means to be a host here..

Everyone should do the same.

[Autumn]

17. Exactly. We know who the handful of serial disrupters are

I am so happy to see you in here.

[rhett o rick]

35. Hey! What happened to our "Bernie" logos? nm

[Autumn]

39. I got mine, you got yours are we missing one?

[rhett o rick]

54. Yes at the bottom. The Big "BERNIE" logo isn't showing up on my computer.

[Agschmid]

58. I don't see it either.

[Autumn]

63. I see it on your post.

[rhett o rick]

65. Interesting. I am using Firefox how about you? nm

[rhett o rick]

67. I can't see it on Opera either. The link must be bad. nm

[aspirant]

28. Same basic question

As head host would you support bringing in hosts that support other candidates?

[L0oniX]

2. Applied yesterday.

[Agschmid]

4. Seconded.

[Ichingcarpenter]

7. can you post also on what it means to moderate this group?

thanks

[Agschmid]

9. Functionally this says it pretty well...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=about&forum=1280

And then in a safe haven the hosts should be (majority at least) Bernie supporters.

[aspirant]

10. Are you saying

that a minority of hosts should be HRC, BOG,O'Malley, Webb or Chafee supporters?

That's a big no to me

[Agschmid]

11. I've always that should be true for all the groups.

But I don't expect this to be any different.

[aspirant]

12. What's the purpose of a specified group

if it is just an everyday alphabet soup? I thought that was GD

[Agschmid]

13. Having one host who isn't necessarily on the same side of an issue...

Does not make a group alphabet soup.

Note some of us DU'ers have basically never had a hide, and are not blocked from any groups. Some people can handle conversations, and having both sides (liberal sides might I add) isn't a bad thing.

[aspirant]

15. The question remains

how many sides are to be represented.

You have defined the minority as 1 host, yet who chooses whether it is an HRC, Chafee etc?

If we are fair than all candidates must have a host here and then it just becomes silly.

[Agschmid]

16. I don't agree.

I think that you can have a functioning group host team, this is a pro-Bernie group... So all that minority host would have to be is a voice against an echo chamber.

But again that doesn't seem to be the point of groups at DU, so I'm not too worried about it.

[aspirant]

21. I'm missing

what is wrong with an echo chamber? If we keep laser focused on ways to elect Bernie, why do we need voices AGAINST Bernie?

If counter opinions are necessary, why not research GD, MSM and other media outlets at our disposal?

[Agschmid]

30. I don't enjoy echo chambers...

But again that's just my opinion. I'll stick to GD.

[Ichingcarpenter]

6. we have to vote on it as skinner said

can you post also on what it means to moderate this group?

I know you but others may not.

[L0oniX]

40. I expect this group to work to promote and support Bernie...

...to provide information to supporters to use for discussion and to help promote and organize local organizations.

Moderation: Well obviously deal with trolls and also we are not here to have others come in and dump anti Bernie rants. If someone doesn't agree on some point made by Bernie then they should be willing to accept debate over it. If it becomes obvious that a poster is only here to post anti Bernie rants irregardless of merit then it should be dealt with accordingly. I think members should make a reasonable effort to post factual information and I think most will. Although I believe we are not here to provide a base to attack other candidates, Bernie may be on the attack on various issues including another candidate. Certainly we can and should discuss those attacks. I don't think we should become a part of a mud slinging contest between members here. Save that for GD.

Moderators can assist in keeping the group focused although I think we are all here to focus on getting Bernie elected. We're not here to discuss other outside issues unless it pertains to Bernie. I don't think we care about American Idol here.

While mods have the power to ban in extreme situations I hope that it is never necessary to do so. I don't want to have a power hungry nanny mod or extreme troll hunter in here. When we pin a post our collected expectations for the group we can start expecting everyone to follow those expectations.

[Autumn]

47. No we should not become a part of a mud slinging contest between members and candidates.

No troll hunters, no nanny's. Legitimate criticism on Bernies issues is a necessity.

[NYC_SKP]

36. Glad you did. It's not a terribly hard thing to do.

I'm glad to see so much discussion but there really isn't that much to do, we don't need a fancy SOP and, mostly, only a few idiots will try to screw with us.

Then we block them, maybe forever if they are clearly not ever going to be helpful, or a time out. No big deal.

I would like to be forgiving of anyone who accidentally posts in the group, as I have done and been blocked.

We can disagree without being disagreeable and it's better to be inclusive than snooty.

We have enough snooty groups, which shall remain nameless.

[L0oniX]

44. I hope we can rise above the others mistakes with group moderation.

I don't really expect a lot of trolling or malicious rants. I also don't expect to see extreme mod nannies here.

[NYC_SKP]

48. Agree and, really, the worst thing we can have as top host would be an authoritarian.

The best top host would be fairly open-minded, including being willing to step down if the community wants that.

This is not a characteristic seen in a couple of other groups that seem to live for blocking members with extreme prejudice, and then gravedance about it.

[L0oniX]

56. We just had someone miss post here. Don't need to jump on that. I've done it too.

I have no problem with pro Hillary people coming in here to debate reasonably. Bernie's points on issues are very strong and fairly easy to defend. Hillary does have some good points too.

[RiverLover]

88. Ok, so what if a poster comes here & starts saying, I like Bernie BUT

there's NO WAY he can win. Which is ok, fine, once in a thread. No echo chamber, right? But then they start arguing with 3 different people & don't let up. When called on it they say "But I support Bernie! He's doing a great job in the senate, where he can do the most good." And they keep on harassing...

This is mostly what has gotten people blocked in the E Warren group. Its supposed to be a safe haven, with our members being able to post without the stress of a pointless, endless argument. We have GD for that. Otherwise, what's the point of having the separate group?

[L0oniX]

89. I'd be for giving a warning to the poster first. It if continues then act on it.

[RiverLover]

91. That sounds good.

You'll make a great host LOoniX!

[TM99]

3. I am one who has said that groups like this should be first and foremost for supporters.

I do not mean to suggest that this area should be an echo chamber or that legitimate criticism of Sanders positions and policies should not be discussed. I welcome rational debate and even the occasional heated exchange on serious matters.

I simply do not want to see serial disruptors and "my team versus your team" posters take away from the groups stated purpose of helping to elect Bernie Sanders as the Democratic primary candidate.

With that being said, I am willing to be a secondary host.

[Puglover]

8. LOL agreed.

Although I believe legitimate criticism and certainly spirited debate should be allowed honestly I cannot think of a single beef I have with Bernie or his positions.

[MissDeeds]

26. I agree

Judging from the numerous snarky posts that popped up as soon as this group was formed, I think we need to be sure that the hosts have a track record of being pro-Bernie. I don't want it to be an echo chamber, but I also don't want someone who is not a true Bernie supporter to finagle his/her way into a host position.

I've seen several here claiming to be Sanders supporters whose posts clearly demonstrate that is not the case.

[Autumn]

14. I would like to host this group

Bernie is what we need to get this country back on track.We have a lot of talented people who care very much and I think that if we work together we can use this forum as a way to get Bernie's message out on Social media. Grassroots is how we get Bernie out there. He's not going to get the money Hillary will have, that's a fact. We have a person here who can make campaign videos that we can post on our social medias. We have people here who can organize ways to help Bernie?s campaign. I have hosted before and I have seen people come in and in some groups they can attack members and derail the conversation and as hosts we can keep it on track. We don't need block everybody who disagrees because our goal should be to win people over and make sure that our members feel free to express their goals without fighting with others who are not here in good faith.
If we want Bernie we need to be ready to work for Bernie.

[aspirant]

18. Just to clarify,as a voter only with no interest in hosting,

do you believe our hosts should be supporters of various candidates or focused on Bernie only?

[NYC_SKP]

25. IMO, supportive of the principles for which Sanders stands. Warren already has a group.

But I see nothing wrong with positive mentions of her here.

If someone goes on and on about Warren being better than Sanders, however, I'd ask them to stop and then show them the door.

[MissDeeds]

27. Excellent

That's just what we need.

[aspirant]

33. NYC, come on

Should our HOSTS be supporters of other candidates?

[L0oniX]

72. While supporting Democrats, mods for this group should be devoted to Bernie 1st IMO.

[Autumn]

29. I think that hosts can have an interest in more than one candidate. I would like hosts

that have a populist, liberal agenda. I don't want a hosts to control the group I don't want hosts to host because they just want to be in charge of the group and shape it their way. What I want are hosts that are excited about Bernie and are fair.. For example I was blocked from a group for defending myself against an attack posted in a group by a host on an issue I had nothing to do with, an issue that had nothing to do with his candidate. That's not hosting that's controlling. I don't want hosts who will block someone for issues elsewhere, I want hosts who will allow other opinions as long as that person is here posting about a serious question or concern. Bernie is our candidate we want to talk about him and win over those who may with good reason have reservations,

You concern is very valid and if a few member have that problem or concern then I think that a person wanting to host this group should have no problem dropping the other hosting. I know I don't have a problem doing that.

These are the groups I host but I am out of the main Forums in a few days and I am not at this time inclined to host there again.
Elizabeth Warren, I love her and would love to see her run with and support Bernie. Should she chose another candidate Bernie is still my choice

Main Forums
World Forum
Campaigns
Elizabeth Warren

[Agschmid]

31. Yup.

I think you'd be a good host.

[Autumn]

37. Thank you, so would you, And with my current mobility issues I am here on DU

A LOT.

[Agschmid]

38. I'm good in GDH, I can't do the groups they are too one sided for me.

I never do last the full 90 days though... I don't know about your medical issues but I hope you are okay, and don't let DU drive you too crazy.

[aspirant]

50. The key is "an interest"

How excited about Bernie can you be if you have another interest (80% Bernie/20% HRC)?

If the host is asked to participate in promoting Bernie 100%, how can they do that if a part of them is leaning another way? Maybe I'm completely different but if I have questions on a subject, it is difficult for me to put my heart and soul into it.

IMO, our hearts and souls are a must if Bernie is able to climb this mountain.

[Autumn]

59. I like Liz, to me it's not 80% Bernie/20% Liz. It;s Bernie all the way

Liz is not running and as far as I am concerned Bernie is the only one who offers change. IMO we can not tolerate a continuation of the last 15 years. The poor, the elderly and the working class are hanging on by a thread. Bernie is the only answer to that.

[L0oniX]

64. I like Warren too ...but Bernie has a better chance of winning 2016 IMO.

[Autumn]

68. Bernie for the win. Liz will not run and if she's as smart as I think she is she will support

Bernie.

[Ichingcarpenter]

19. How many hosts can a group have?

I hope enough so someone is always on duty on the world clock.

[NYC_SKP]

23. No limit to number of hosts AFAIK

World clock, good point.

[daleanime]

20. Agreed.....

needs to be very interactive.

[Puglover]

24. Exactly.

I do NOT want this group to have a blocked member list in the hundreds.

[Agschmid]

32. Me either.

[NYC_SKP]

22. NYC_SKP wants to host this group.

And L0onix and I have both written to admins, possibly others.

What it means to me is tolerating some heated discussion but not any outright turd-laying.

I would seriously avoid running up a list of dozens of blocked members the way some group hosts have, but will not tolerate divisiveness.

As hosts, we could discuss time-outs and warnings, we do this in the Populist Reform of the Democratic Party group.

I host seven groups now, and I'm hosting the big boards, and my love for Warren and her ilk is well-known.

Happy to be co-host or main host, it will probably be an admin call based on I don't know what criteria.

[rhett o rick]

34. But do you have any experience hosting???

JK

I agree with your idea of what hosts should do and it should be documented as soon as you are a host.

For discussion: I recommend that two hosts should agree before anyone is permanently excluded.

PS: You have my vote.

[NYC_SKP]

41. I like that rule, two hosts before blocking a member.

I can't think of a post or reply that couldn't wait for another opinion.
And if it was horrid, a jury should hide it.

When I first started modding I deleted an OP without consensus of other moderators, but it was absolutely necessary.

Someone had photoshopped a vagina over Palin's face, disgusting and graphic.



I remember exactly where I was and what I did, I did not wait for another opinion.

[rhett o rick]

45. Let me clarify my thinking on this.

First of all I think a host can always act unilaterally for posts like you describe.

I also think hosts can act unilaterally to give warnings, and temporary suspensions. I do not see anyone here that would abuse that.

My thinking about permanent exclusion is that, although again I trust everyone here, I want to avoid the appearance of personal vendettas, so have two hosts agree before permanent exclusions.

[Agschmid]

46. Yup.

[L0oniX]

71. There should be a way to remove a bad host as well ...just in case.

I would think majority vote would be good enough. Ya never know what can happen in life that can make someone go nuts.

[aspirant]

82. That would be a majority of members or just hosts?

[L0oniX]

83. I would think hosts.

I don't think a poll on this would be a good idea. Anyone can start a poll ...and it would look like a calling out which violates DU rules.

[L0oniX]

60. Skip was a site mod back on DU2 ...he's qualified.

[Ichingcarpenter]

42. LET'S GET THREE HOSTS VOTED ON NOW...... so we can control this group

we can always vote to add others later.


WE HAVE ENOUGH TO START THIS............. ANYONE WITH A STAR WANTA START ONE?

[NYC_SKP]

43. L0onix wrote to admins, and then I did, too. It's up to them, we can't make it happen.

AFAIK, the first to express an interest who have stars and no hides are:

L0onix
NYC_SKP
smokey nj

Others can write to admins, of course, and we can reverse order any way we like once someone is named host.

Until admin acts, all we can do is discuss it.

Thanks for raising the matter, and I agree, lets git er done!

[Ichingcarpenter]

49. no Skinner said we need to vote on it HERE

WE CAN START THE POLL THEN SEND IT TO HIM.

HE SAID IT
HERE

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280486

[Agschmid]

51. Yup.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280486#post7

[NYC_SKP]

70. Oh, I stand corrected! There are two other groups we created where that did not happen.

Poll sounds good!

[aspirant]

73. Why only 3

we have at least 5 including Autumn and Puglover.

Let's make a complete slate.

[Agschmid]

76. Too many cooks?

[aspirant]

84. A coronation of 3?

[Agschmid]

85. Just doing what I was asked....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280486

1 or 3... Pick your poison.

[L0oniX]

86. We need some to cover late night and early morning. 24/7 is a lot for just 3 hosts.

[TM99]

99. I am a night-owl.

I am always up until 5 or 6am Arizona time which means right now we are on Pacific time.

I have not yet hosted in any groups here so yes, I would be a new-comer to the job. That's why I am willing to be a secondary host to start out.

[Agschmid]

52. Poll/Decision must happen here...

[NYC_SKP]

74. I see that now.

Thanks for posting the poll, I hadn't read that before and the last two groups that I helped start were not done this way.

It must be different in that it looks like Skinner created the group without being asked.

It would have been nice if he'd have posted a thread with the instruction right away.

Anyway, onward we go!

[Agschmid]

75. I'm thinking top three on that poll can be the hosts?

Should I re-phrase the title?

[NYC_SKP]

78. I think the title and the poll are fine.

Once we have hosts we can revisit the host thing, add or subtract and discuss policy.

Thanks for the poll, first time I've seen it done this way, I saw Skinner's post.

Technically, everyone on the list could be a co-host, finding the top host is the challenge.

[rhett o rick]

69. Hides shouldn't disqualify. I don't think lack of stars should either but willing to go

either way on that. But not on hides.

[Agschmid]

77. I believe that hides automatically disqualify people?

That was one of the hosting changes that were made recently.

[rhett o rick]

79. I don't think that applies to Groups. nm

[Agschmid]

80. Ok.

[Autumn]

53. I think if we vote on a head host the head host can appoint the co hosts.

That might be easier.

[Ichingcarpenter]

55. i would rather have a tripod of head hosts

but I'm game either way.

just don't put me on the list..........lol

[L0oniX]

62. +3

[Ichingcarpenter]

66. top three get the job........ ?

sounds good to me.

[Agschmid]

57. I can post a poll?

[rhett o rick]

61. OK, but just for a head host as Skinner advised. I nominate NYC_SKP. Carry on. nm

[RiverLover]

90. I 2nd that. /nt

[Cosmic Kitten]

81. I'm in participating as a "supporting" host if needed.

[L0oniX]

87. OK ...but we don't want the Irish!

[Ichingcarpenter]

92. the funniest movie of all time

and then monty python movies.

[merrily]

93. I would not mind. I don't sleep much, so I can be around during odd hours.

[Ichingcarpenter]

94. notify Agschmid in this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280641

[merrily]

95. Thanks, I will nt.

[cali]

96. I'd like to host

I believe this group can be a positive force and be a valuable source of info. I'd like to help it do so

[Ichingcarpenter]

98. please notify the OP of this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280641

glad to see you here.............

[aspirant]

97. Since their seems to be a growing interest,

why not elect a head host and have all other hosts just volunteer, all being equal. IMO the more the merrier and give them the personal satisfaction of participating in the command ship.

We don't have to promote winners or losers, make all of Bernie's supporters winners !!!!

[Ichingcarpenter]

100. locking this because we got the shit done.....LOL