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[Warren DeMontague]

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[leftcoastmountains]

1. Welcome

Watch Bernie!

[artislife]

3. I wonder about that phrase, too. nt

[mak3cats]

11. I believe the poster is referring to this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251586767

[Lucky Luciano]

37. Wow. Pukurama. nt

[uberblonde]

43. Oh, for fuck's sake.

She was invited to speak at her D.C. Methodist parish's bicentennial service. So was Chelsea, who was very active in the church's youth group.

Nothing nefarious about it. Your biases are showing.

[Lucky Luciano]

55. Yup...I despise religion. Nt

[mhatrw]

4. How can she lose with God on her side? n/t

[PoliticAverse]

5. "Values voters" tend to not like the current group of Democrats...

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Values_Voter_Summit

Did Clinton mention anything about them?

[LiberalElite]

8. The term is obnoxious -

it implies that no one else has values but them. H is going for their vote? Now my vote is even MORE out of reach for HRC. (as if such a thing could be possible.)

[mahina]

6. Well, hi.

[Autumn]

7. What the fuck? Hillary is courting values voters?

No fucking way.

[LiberalElite]

10. Hey she needs votes

any port in a storm, right?

[Autumn]

12. Seriously where did she say this?

[LiberalElite]

14. .

I'm not aware that she did say this but - fucking "values voters"??? All that means to me is conservative Repugs.

[Autumn]

16. Yeah no shit. Fucking "values voters" are fucking conservatives who

don't give a fuck about values, of any kind.

[Warren DeMontague]

17. I don't know if she's used the words "values voters" yet, but that seems to be the direction.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/09/11/3700620/hillary-clinton-pulpit/

This Sunday could be more than just a homecoming for Hillary Clinton. Speaking from her deeply rooted faith not only allows her to speak authentically about her faith, it directly confronts the issue dogging her campaign so far: belief. Voters need to believe in Hillary Clinton for her to win. They need to believe she didn’t intend harm with her email practices. They need to believe she shares their values. Voters know she has the intellectual ability and experience. But they need to believe. And for that, Hillary must take us to church.

[dorkzilla]

50. so the way to counter the Republican b.s. is to be more like them???

I think Hillary has been listening to some almost criminally bad advice. The numerous incarnations she's had, the off-balance messaging...it's like she has some GOP mole inside her campaign dying to ruin it. She went from being derided for her "I'm not staying home and baking cookies" remark as the candidate's wife to sending boxes of household items to donors.

This is what happens when you've been stage-managed so carefully for the past 25 years that you are no longer your authentic self, but a reaction to polling numbers and market research.

[in_cog_ni_to]

9. I thought you already were on our team.

Glad it's official!

Gotta go check out the "Values Voters" bull. Where do they get this shit?

[Warren DeMontague]

15. See below.

I've certainly been moving in that direction for a while, just thought I would make it official.

[in_cog_ni_to]

20. THRILLED to have you!

[Warren DeMontague]

28. ***

[roguevalley]

35. welcome Warren :D

[Warren DeMontague]

13. Re: "Values Voters": It seems pretty clear to me that her campaign got this feedback about needing

"authenticity" and rather than doing what I think she ought to do- namely, switch gears and start coming out with actual proposals on concrete issues that people are interested in- as opposed to the mushy pablum she's put out so far- they instead decided to go this tired-ass Bob Shrum route of loudly proclaiming religious faith, and yes, going after the mythical "values voter".

Here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/09/13/hillary-clinton-showed-up-for-church-today-will-faith-help-or-hurt-her-on-the-campaign/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=586767

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/09/11/3700620/hillary-clinton-pulpit/

I suspect this sudden uptick in "messaging" about Hillary and faith is related to 4-5 days ago her people talking about "rolling out" more "authenticity", and to my mind it fits in perfectly with the crappy way she's been running her campaign to date, and it bodes ill for it EVER improving.

I like Sanders, I like what he's been saying, and now I support him for President. EOM.

[PoliticAverse]

21. From June 2014: Bible Is Biggest Influence on My Thinking, Says Hillary Clinton

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025102699

[Warren DeMontague]

29. An early bad sign, to be sure.

I was afraid this was gonna be a campaign of meaningless pablum and "my favorite bible verse".

Like the song says, I wanted to be wrong.

[dorkzilla]

52. why do they spew this shit?

Religion is dying everywhere and she's talking about the Bible? For fuck's sale when is someone going to say that they were influenced by, oh, I dunno, John Locke or David Hume?

[in_cog_ni_to]

45. UGH!

Is she going to buy a ranch in Crawford, Texas too? That is exactly what the idiot-in-chief did - he all of a sudden found religion (after Rove showed him how/where/what/when) and then ran out to buy the ranch in Crawford so he could be from "the heartland" - a regular guy.

Then immediately sold the prop ranch when he left office. Now Hillary's taking a page from Rove's playbook. Sickening.

[snagglepuss]

59. Wow he sold the ranch!!! How much media attention did that get?

If any, (i don't watch tv) The way he went on about, i honestly thought he'd retire there.

[beam me up scottie]

18. Welcome to the dark side.

We have cookies!

[Warren DeMontague]

19. Damn

those are some bad-ass cookies, too.

[restorefreedom]

22. and punch

welcome.

[beam me up scottie]

23. That better be spiked! All we need is some music...

[restorefreedom]

24. but of course lol. nt

[Marty McGraw]

38. And... Fernch Frize

[beam me up scottie]

39. Yum!

[Warren DeMontague]

62. ***

[DRoseDARs]

25. Edit: Whelp, BMUS beat me to it lol.

[Catherina]

26. Yo! Warren's in da house!!!! Welcome friend n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

31. Thanks!

[SoapBox]

27. Welcome to being a Berner, Warren.

The more I've learned, the more I've heard Bernie speak, the more I've read about Bernie...I'm more excited about him being President, than any other candidate in my life.

About an hour ago, picked up his book "The Essential Bernie Sanders and his Vision for America" at Powell's Books in Portland, Oregon (well, actually in Beaverton )!

Thank you for being on board.

Go Bernie!

[Warren DeMontague]

30. Cedar Hill Blvd.

It's good. Not as comprehensive as the downtown one, but it'll do.

[SoapBox]

58. Yes...that one.

[Indepatriot]

32. Welcome Brother Warren!

It's not HRC's fault. She's a product of a sold-out system. Bernie's movement is seeking to change that system, and it seems to be popular mind-set. LET'S DO THIS!

[MuseRider]

33. Great!

I thought you already were with us but welcome! I had not heard the values voter tag yet but just the story of her speaking in church knowing what kind of religion she was up to with The Family was enough.

[Warren DeMontague]

34. I've certainly been leaning for a while, lol.

I had to have enough free time to sit down and put together my "Steal Your Bern" avatar, there, to make it official- that was part of it.

[Enthusiast]

36. Happy to see you here, Warren.

[Marty McGraw]

40. A message

coming from her, that only Jesus would approve

[Marty McGraw]

42. well...

And maybe some RePug Brats...

[aidbo]

56. Heroes & Villains giving the 1 finger salute!

[Marty McGraw]

57. ahh.. yes...

and probably the only middle 'class' support she'll will get after all the dust settles

[Warren DeMontague]

63. The bird is the word!

[MannyGoldstein]

41. Why do you hate God's will?

We don't need haters like you, we have the correct God on our side. And lots of money. Lots.

Regards,

TWM

[LuvNewcastle]

44. The money proves that the Third Way

has the right God on their side. Of course, if Bernie wins, a lot of people will probably think the he must have God on his side.

[Jack Rabbit]

46. Welcome, Mr de Montegue

!!

[Warren DeMontague]

64. Thanks!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

47. She's pandering the the non-existent middle again.

[Warren DeMontague]

54. EXACTLY.

It's not just that it's shameless pandering, it's that it's shameless pandering based on faulty conventional wisdom.

[Old Crow]

48. So I guess Hillary 7.0...

... is Religious Values Hillary?

This is kinda neat. Someone needs to make little action figures, labeled 1.0, 2.0, 3.0... each one labeled with its special superpower and in a different colored pantsuit. I wanna collect 'em all!

I hear that some time around Thanksgiving, they'll be issuing Hillary 9.0: Socialist Hillary!

[Bucky]

49. I'm a values voter.

I value jobs, justice, equality, education, peace, and infrastructure

[peacebird]

53. Me too, Bucky! And I value Bernie!

[spyker29]

51. The ones at Liberty University?

[RiffRandell]

60. I knew you would come around eventually.

You're a smart guy.

[Warren DeMontague]

61. Ha!

Fine, I admit it, I just want to hang with the cool kids.

[Bonobo]

65. That's awesome, Warren.

We are very happy to have you.

[Warren DeMontague]

66. Thanks B!

Edited to add: I hate vanity threads (even my own) so on that note, I'll close this and get back to business. Thanks All!

Okay folks, for the time being at least, I'm on your team.
This crap about HRC courting "values voters" was the last straw, for yours truly.