Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumI just spent some serious time perusing The Political Pub on HillaryClintonSupporters.com
If you haven't already, please do so. You will see many familiar names you run across daily here at DU -- the site is HIGHLY enlightening and will let you see the true faces of those who you are are interacting with. Let me tell you: it ain't pretty. I have decided to use this learning opportunity to up my support for the Sanders campaign. I am now even more dedicated to making him our next President.
This is the reality of what we are up against from many of those in the Democratic Party. The threads are many, so poke around:
http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=391
Brock Kentman
(48 posts)They really don't get it. Where is Clinton's crossover appeal? Even women aren't supporting Clinton by a growing margin on a daily basis. I really feel sorry for them.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)I hope there isn't a similar site for Sanders. They are afraid to discuss issues so they rely on hate. It's clearly authoritarian behavior. They will follow their leader Clinton anywhere regardless of her stands on issues. Ask any of them how Clinton stands on a specific and they are unable to respond.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I've been through highs school, and I've been around small minds all my life. Can't be doing me any good to indulge more.
Besides, I'd have to register, and beside THAT, I can guess who said what.. These people are pretty see-through.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)It is a ticket that could slam dunk the POTUS race
eridani
(51,907 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)Pharaoh
(8,209 posts)they seem obsessed by Bernie posts on DU.
Sucks to be them
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)that site is a wonder to behold.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)They have started locking down some of their forums to hide such threads from public eye.
I read it as well before they did it, and I was disgusted by the blatant anti-Semitism.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Sad sad people
Duckfan
(1,268 posts)I can't figure that one out.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Classic anti-Semitism. I think it's one thing to explore his faith and background as it pertains to issues. To say he is running to server the state of Israel, the poster is either a plant or the right wing of the Democratic Party is really embracing the "right" part.
And now that I've digested that steaming pile of an OP, I'm going back to read the comments on that thread to see how deep the histeria runs.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Shame on them for participating in such a disgustingly racist thread. Not one person called it out.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)there are a couple I had not interacted much or seen much before lately. They seem to be picking up the slack for the rest though. I'd put them on ignore too, but I prefer continuing to put facts against their attempted smears.
Response to magical thyme (Reply #221)
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lob1
(3,820 posts)any new registrations at this time. I wonder what that means?
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)back right around when I posted that link iirc. But there are a couple other ways in if you search around enough....or if you are a "mole."
840high
(17,196 posts)hiding their filth.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)Did you make it? I can only imagine what those on that site would say about it (and you).
I copied it and wondering if I may use it too?
#feelthebern
olddots
(10,237 posts)most of the people posting at that site I have had on ignore for years before this election cycle , their veiws on most issues here are very different than mine .I want no part of them .
Demeter
(85,373 posts)and when I feel guilty, I go back and unIgnore a few that I don't remember...who never show up again.
I figure they were sock puppets and trolls who went to find greener pastures.
My Ignore list is now full of names I recognize and remember as being supremely unfit for consideration...and alas, it's still growing.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Was basically following me from thread to thread, alternately calling me a troll and ridiculing every one of my opinions. I havent added to it since.
May be time to re-think that...
WIProgressive88
(314 posts)Response to Hell Hath No Fury (Original post)
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virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)I wold be out expending shoe leather to help my candidate instead of making up rancid shit to post on a sick site.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I come in contact with. At the beauty salon, the post office, getting an oil change, waiting for a fast food order - anywhere.
Shoe leather is anywhere you go, my friend. If you are a runner, chat with other runners and athletes you encounter on the trail. There is literally no reason not to assert that you are a Bernie supporter and to tell people why you support him.
You can't always counteract lies, but you can always tell the truth, and that goes a long way.
840high
(17,196 posts)Autumn
(45,072 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I know it's mine and these people were my friends before this election cycle.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)reminds me of the collective name MAD magazine gives to its regular contributors.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Signed,
Roger Kaputnik
(on behalf of Pres. Rufus T. Firefly)
artislife
(9,497 posts)Let them go.
Really. who cares? It has been much better here without them.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)I can hear my own heart beating
artislife
(9,497 posts)ornotna
(10,800 posts)Just let it go folks. It's a shit storm out there and I'm staying inside.
Autumn
(45,072 posts)That site seems to be about Bernie, his supporters, and this group so unless another host comes up with a reason to lock I am leaving this.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)I just want folks to know the real feelings behind some of our fellow DUers so they can keep it in mind when replying to threads.
And of course it was alerted on.
TM99
(8,352 posts)The post is not meta about DU. It is discussing another site that is attacking DU Sanders supporters.
No specific names have mentioned of member's here at DU, so for now, I see this as an informational post.
If it devolves into something else, then yes, I would suggest locking.
Autumn
(45,072 posts)a call out fest I'm good with it.
Autumn
(45,072 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)I think people should see this and make their own judgments.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)I've enjoyed and supported and followed.
I feel kinda heart broken.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)Been here a LONG time, and to see such venom addressed to fellow DUers is hard to see. But, important to see, as well.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)People I've known and respected here and other forums for over a decade. It's sad.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)> sigh <
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)It's a shame, really ... But, oh well ... This is how ugly a human can be .... I don't need the liars and fibbers in my world, and now they are gone ...
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)fbc
(1,668 posts)Fortunately for the United States of America, most of them are 60+ and will exert less and less influence on politics as they die off.
Even if we don't get Bernie this time, their days are numbered. Real progressives are gradually taking over the democratic party.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)good post.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I am not 100% sure about that yet, but it's a growing feeling. Especially with the actions of the Super Delegates and DWS.
fbc
(1,668 posts)OWS may not have accomplished anything, but I think these things build on previous organization.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)the nation talking about income inequality,that is for damn sure.
To OWS--
jwirr
(39,215 posts)change message - regardless if we did not understand that he was not what we thought he was that message helped get this movement started.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)It's next to impossible for a president to do anything to actually make big changes. it's just how the position works. And Obama... well, he wasn't going to be any sort of radical anyway. he did okay, still doing good - could have been better, but hey. Point is, I had no illusion that he was going ot come in and sweep the system.
I voted for "hope." Obama is someone I see as a wedge, a proverbial foot in the door. The first step on a road towards teturnign America to its progressive potentials. I'm supporting Bernie because i think he'll shove on the door that obama's foot is propping open. I have no idea that it'll work, none at all. But the hope counts for a lot. By contrast Clinton is, at best, stagnation. At worst she'll yank that foot out of the way and let the door slam shut in our faces.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)do it alone - we need to protect his back and demand that Congress do what we want.
eridani
(51,907 posts)--intend to change the public conversation. They have done that without formal organization, though many of their members are also associated with regular organizations with officers, budgets, specific platforms, etc. We need both kinds of groups.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)that type of radical centrist, which we now know as the Third Way, so they colonized the Democratic Party. Wall Street hedges their bets.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)On Fri Sep 25, 2015, 07:45 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Reagan Democrats
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=54734
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
We have a member who is rooting for other members to die off? How offensive, hurtful and inappropriate is that?
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Sep 25, 2015, 07:59 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm not offended.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Dear alerter, this may be a shock to you, but as you age your chances of dying increase until the probability that you are dead is in fact 1. Silly alert. Leave.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Are you serious? It's true...Reagan voters ARE old and poster isn't wishing them to die. Very, very poor alert. LEAVE.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: IMHO, the poster is wrong (and fails to appreciate the irony of people dying off to support an older candidate), but I don't think it's an alertable post.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't read it the same as the alerter. Voting to leave it.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Huh?
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The alerter's comments did change my mind
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
The reagan democrats were lured by bigoted speech portraying all help to the masses as having a black face.....appealing to the bigots among us. I know bigotry toward me for being a woman, but I do not know the greater bigotry for being a person of color. I am an American citizen and the closet immigrant in my family is my grandfather who immigrated from Sweden.
unapatriciated
(5,390 posts)Every one of us are Sanders supporters, so don't use such a broad brush.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Carryon
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,614 posts)Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #26)
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BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Good lock.
merrily
(45,251 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)that person on my ignore list and I won't read anything by her. Better for my mental health.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,614 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Change has come
(2,372 posts)just ick.
Old Codger
(4,205 posts)There goes a lot of people thought were worth some respect.. my ignore list just got tripled. I have seen Bernie given more respect by rethugs than that bunch. I may end up writing him in... I am so FUCKING tired of holding my nose and voting for someone I see as the lesser of 2 evils that IU am on the verge of just saying to hell with this shit it is not anything I believe in any longer...
I actually used to have some respect for some of them but that went down the shitter with that spiel ...
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Either way, we have a new national conversation now.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)many people will write him in. I think that is at least preferable to staying home, which the fuckers will interpret as laziness or some other lie. If anyone threatens not to vote at all, I always suggest writing in someone as better than staying home or leaving the top of the ticket blank.
I don't understand those who say they will switch from Bernie to Green. I am not sure even the Greens take themselves seriously anymore.
TBF
(32,058 posts)substance for me in their platform. I don't think they quite understand that the system is rigged and has to change - one way or another. Like Bernie I'd prefer a peaceful political transition. Maybe that's naive.
Old Codger
(4,205 posts)What I see over there is a quite common theme that threads throughout society, if you cannot be that good yourself you need to attempt to knock others down you your level so that you can appear to be higher/better/more than they are, if your side of the argument has few redeeming qualities you need to denigrate the opposition in an attempt to gain higher ground... it is blatantly transparent and in the end does nothing but demean you.
hedda_foil
(16,373 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)anointed surrogates. There are loud-mouth angry idiots who will support any candidate. Their idiocy is not dependent upon anything beyond themselves. It is not bestowed upon them by their choice of candidate.
fbc
(1,668 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)They are calling those who have pointed this out here at DU stalkers now.
It is vitriol, name-calling, and serious amounts of projection.
I have never called a Clinton supporter a name. And the only 'name' I ever called Clinton was a 'narcissist' (which she is!), and I got a hide for that.
Some there that I once respected or at least thought nothing of in particular will certainly be untrustworthy now. I will put as many of them on Ignore as possible but the Jury Blacklist is not big enough for all of them. That really needs changing!
I don't see how DU will recover from this no matter who wins the primary.
fbc
(1,668 posts)I don't think DU would lose much by losing those that encourage voting for the likes of Claire McCaskill and other DINOs
TM99
(8,352 posts)Healthy members won't post in an environment like this if that toxicity bleeds over to DU.
Who am I kidding? It already is and has.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Because they just got tired of the bullshit.
Way too many.
TM99
(8,352 posts)I almost left for good myself.
I suppose it could still happen to if things get much worse.
Hopefully airing this will help the situation.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Seriously and the way you were treated in the AA forum was horrid.
TM99
(8,352 posts)If you are the 'right type' of PoC then you are welcome there.
It doesn't bother me. As a bi-racial man I have seen that type of bullshit with white and black communities my entire life.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Yeah. Wow. You got that right. At least the masks are off now.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)At least we now know what they *really* think of us.
It makes me kind of sad that I've been played by some of them, but grateful I found out sooner rather than later.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I'm not checking out the site because I could not possibly care less. It's for Hillary supporters. If they're doing that, don't care. If they're dissing Sanders, won't make a difference. If they're dissing du, whatever. If they're dissing people they have called friend, then their true colors will shine through in other ways, or, more than likely, already have.
I'm just going to support Sanders. Nothing and no one is going to stop me.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)and even more motivated to fight to get Bernie elected. There is no way I want a candidate to be elected by money and bullying.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I read enough here to know I don't care about what is there.
Bernie's integrity shines through every day. He will be our next President
merrily
(45,251 posts)Last edited Fri Sep 25, 2015, 03:43 AM - Edit history (1)
We need to focus. Besides, it is ennervating. Optimism, purpose and focus are energizing.
Last edited Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:06 AM - Edit history (2)
I understand the curiosity factor. I'm sure the people there are doing just as they preach and not dissing someone that could be the democratic nominee. That they're not personally attacking anyone. That they're sticking to facts. They're not telling anyone what they should think it who they should vote for. And above all else, they're not attacking each other in private conversations. They're practicing what they preach.
So, that is the absolute last thing I'm saying about it and I'm not going to a site made for Hillary supporters.
On Edit: I said more. Didn't realize this would go on this long. But, I shouldn't have. Except to reply to a direct response to me, on this thread, I'm done with this. The people on MIRT that have openly dissed this site, about 90% of its members and have proven they're trying to force hides here, don't have the integrity to step down and should be removed. Other than that, I truly don't care what they're doing or who they are.
We are winning. Everywhere Senator Sanders goes, people fall in love with him. People are sick to death of it all being about, and always about, the money. They're sick to death of the marginalization of everyone that isn't a rich, straight, white, male. Bernie Sanders is the ONLY candidate that has always been on the right side of history. The ONLY candidate that has the integrity to do as he says and is not endorsing super pacs or taking Wall Street money. Money from corporations that are literally killing people.
So, let's move on and get Senator Bernie Sanders elected.
#Bernie2016
#FeelTheBern
merrily
(45,251 posts)I had to take a shower. For me, obsessing about something like that is just not pleasant or healthy. I'd rather do something I enjoy, like giving hugs to my fellow Bernie Supporters.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)as like minded individuals. Some of them have been here for many years and were respected as real progressives. This is a big let down.
We've been through a lot on DU and been mainly in agreement on many issues and events like:
The Bush stolen election
9/11
The Iraq War lies
LGBT rights
Climate change
There has also been a level of infighting with issues like:
Occupy
Howard Dean
Michael Brown
gun rights
Black Lives Matter
We had the Pumas that started their own site but this is taking things to a new level of complete disrespect from people that we shared support with many of the issues.
It is really disheartening to those of us that have been around for a while to witness what I can only describe as a complete betrayal of DU principles by some of those we respected.
marym625
(17,997 posts)And I meant no disrespect. I'm sorry if that came off as harsh.
In fact, I just told someone we're not locking this because of the very reasons you just stated. People are hurt, bewildered, disheartened. And the people feeling these things need a place to vent, to feel comradery, etc.
I agree too, that this is a whole new level of, well, I won't say it.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Just wanted to explain why some of us are taking this harder than others.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I try not to.
I understand completely. Frankly, it just shows how far right, the "center" left, has become. That alone is disheartening. Add in the personal aspect and it's bad. Just really bad.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,014 posts)But what it really drives home is how insecure some of them really are. And that's sad too.
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)My support is unstoppable. ..
marym625
(17,997 posts)Same here!
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)The other eye saw that over here already by the same crew.
The one with the biggest meltdown that devolved into calling Sanders supporters white supremacists and then running to support Hillary (after pretending to be a Sanders supporter for quite some time) who she had said many times she really disliked, posted a truly nasty right wing smear of an opinion piece over there.
It's really disturbing to see that posters I've been reading over here, and have assumed were DU'ers in good faith, are essentially playing a two-faced game.
Why? Is it so much to ask that people just be themselves?
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)madaboutharry
(40,209 posts)The things you learn about people.
Milliesmom
(493 posts)a Republican, if it sounds like a Republican, then it's a Republican in Dem clothes, LOL.
Just to be clear I'm referring to the people that made the awful comments about Bernie supporters.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Edit to add: Well that was also quite interesting reading! I never realized I was racist until a White "uppity" person told me I was for not supporting the current prison system like our next president Hillary Clinton.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)for using that site to disparage both DU and DU posters.
I don't usually use the ignore feature but after visiting that site, there are quite a few posters that I really don't need to see posts from on here anymore. It really is a shame. We have never made up things about Hillary like they are about Bernie and we have never called out her supporters like they are doing.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)to say things that would never be allowed here. Their mantra really saddens me.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)In other respects too, which makes it more pathetic.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)It's just too good!
cui bono
(19,926 posts)I stole it from dorkzilla's post a few hours ago!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=55626
Love it!
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)though that seems unlikely, since William (I forget his full handle) seems to claim it, and since Skinner launched hillarymojo or whatever it's called.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I don't think he always is fair, but that's because he and I are both human. He's going fail sometimes and I am going to misperceive sometimes. But I do believe he tries. And I cannot believe he would tolerate anti-Semitic posts.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)and he is an avid Hillary supporter who started hillarymojo and who designed both the DLC website and the PPI website way back when.
If we follow the rules here it seems that he does respect that and in that sense I agree with you, but ideologically and professionally as far as I can tell (and I don't actually know much about him, just bits and pieces from hanging out on DU) he appears to be solidly in that camp. So anyway though I doubt he started it (for different reasons), I don't think it's any kind of a stretch, plus those posters are using their DU handles over there.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Most of our elected officials are centrists. The owner of a board for Democrats is going to be one or the other. So, that in itself is not an issue for me, as long as he tries his best to be fair--and I think he does. JMO.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)They are putting him down over there too.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)I will now refer to it as the repugnant site. Quite fitting, I think.
merrily
(45,251 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)me, he didn't ban them. So ...
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)that site,do you know?
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Domain Name: HILLARYCLINTONSUPPORTERS.COM
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questionseverything
(9,654 posts)PatrickforO
(14,573 posts)exactly that - they are in the Hillary pub, and they are very partisan in their support for her.
We, on the other hand, or I guess the same hand, are in the Bernie room.
That's all cool, but one of the posters in the pub there says, "That view is based on their determination that they and ONLY they count. AAs don't count, Latinos don't count, anyone who doesn't uncritically accept Sanders as the Messiah has no value or, like their leader tells them, is a collaborator with the Kochs. For them, equality is not a goal. The only goal is for themselves to replace the existing elite. If they ever were successful, which we know they won't be, the results would be horrifying. If they weren't so lazy and clueless, they might be dangerous. So we must be grateful they are the sort of people who are counting on Bernie's fairydust because if they actually worked for what they want, America would be far worse for it."
Honestly I was amazed at this. If we begin using our tax dollars to make this country a better place for us, with health care for all, free college, far less war, deprivatized prisons, successful taxation of corporations who've offshored profits, etc., then WHY is that so bad? Why will 'America be far worse for it?' Why is it 'fairydust?'
Makes me support Bernie more, because he's right. He's been right all along, and it is these third way people who have been wrong. Wrong for the nation, wrong for the middle class, wrong for the poor.
Now, if you'll all excuse me, I have to go and wade through some more 'fairydust.'
Fearless
(18,421 posts)In your example, the poster is arguing for a candidate and you are arguing for issues. The entire Hillary campaign has put the cart before the horse.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)WTF are they smoking over there?
They are so deluded. They are just making shit up because for some reason they are really, really mad and bitter. Me thinks it's because it looks like Sanders is the more popular candidate and how dare he challenge the anointed one, much less look like he's going to be the Dem nominee.
PatrickforO
(14,573 posts)I'm usually pretty confident. So one time, my wife asks me something, and I answered her right away - sounded great, you know, really plausible.
So she turns to me and asks, "Do you really know, or are you just making shit up?"
The Hillary supporters seem to be making shit up because they can't compete with our guy on the issues.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Hum, Kool-Aid?
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)from now on, don't engage them
just post the website and nothing else. they won't get what they want from us and other readers will go and see what and who they are. sad little mean girls.
eridani
(51,907 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)PatrickforO
(14,573 posts)Clinton's too busy with her focus groups seeing which way the wind blows so she can 'evolve.'
grasswire
(50,130 posts).....so on the wrong side of history as those people are.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Prism
(5,815 posts)I see a lot of names over there from people who harangued the LGBT community on DU for years. When the President finally came around and supported it and the Supreme Court made it the law of the land, they celebrated and behaved as if they were positively militant for it all along.
They never acknowledge the suffering they inflict on others. Nor will they. In terms of power, delusion when it comes to perception of self is one of the strongest forms. They honestly do not perceive their own behavior at all. For the past several months, I've watched bullies earnestly perceive themselves to be martyrs. It's really quite something.
At least I know when I'm being an asshole ;/
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)They don't WANT it disrupted. They want it to continue, with just a few 'tweaks' that address their own pet issues. They'll be thrilled to win the WH with a candidate who basically won't change things. Who will do some cosmetically good things for women and children, but continue economic polices that impact them negatively far more than anything she does to help them.
Get out there and talk to people, get them to register to vote if they aren't, get them to ask themselves how the policies of each candidate will impact themselves and their children.
You don't need to tell people who to vote for, just get them to honestly consider whose policy ideas will benefit them the most.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Nasty shit, that. I cant believe some of the names are of people I really liked and admired. smh...nice to know what they think of us.
Jackilope
(819 posts).... but that chat thread is just downright ugly.
The folks I am meeting at the Bernie events are people getting involved and invested in a candidate for the first time. The real face to face interactions I have out and about -- there is a genuine respect for him.
Not going to let the catty name calling on another site bother me. Go ahead and call me a Bernista. I'll own and wear the label proudly as I roll up my sleeves and wear my comfortable walking shoes working for a candidate outside of the sleezy Third Way corporate stranglehold. He's been right about so many huge issues and taken principled stands on issues while others wet their fingertips to see which direction the wind blows.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Bernista?
Certainly not witty, like calling her supporters Hillarious!
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)Hard to say though if the are the same people as on DU even though the handles are the same.
That said, it'll be interesting to see if DUers denounce people using their handles. If none do then I think its safe to assume that those posting over are indeed DUers.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)has also appeared on DU defending her long-winded diatribe on that other site about Bernie "cultists".
Divernan
(15,480 posts)At least she displays the same hatred and hostility there as she does on DU. Several others who attempt a semi-civilized facade on DU, reveal their true nature, i.e, dysfunctional, hate-filled loathing, on that site.
Puts me in mind of rattlesnakes with their heads cut off - they mindlessly keep snapping, and do still have some venom left in their fangs.
I also noted some vicious comments about Skinner on that site.
One visit was more than enough. I'm off to take a decontamination shower.
It's a beautiful fall day, and I am so thankful we have a wonderful candidate to support. I'm going to plant some mums. Y'all take care.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Love them.
Good idea. Mums for Bern.
Old Codger
(4,205 posts)That the original op there was indeed written by who the name says it is since she was kind enough to prove it by the shout out post...Based on that I make my own assumption that the rest probably are also... Knock others down in an attempt to prove to themselves their egotistical sense of superiority .
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)No shit, really? You mean it's okay to post on other message boards? I'm allowed to go on a board about fly fishing or cars or cooking or camping? How about one where they talk about mixing concrete? That's okay too?
........sheeze.......
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)that visiting a board about soldering and asking about soldering wire comparisons is probably suspect.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)about impact wrenches, because if you accidentally make a typo and leave out the r, there will be hell to pay.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Oh wait,...that works everywhere.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)Obviously some Hillary supporters are pretty unhinged, but attacking Hillary's supporters doesn't seem to be a meme. It seems that only Bernie supporters are fair game to attack.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Wow, just wow. Anyone who thinks we all just want the same things but support different means of getting there needs to check it out.
From what I can tell, they truly hate the progressive left, not just Bernie or his supporters. It's third way all the way, with healthy portions of identity politics thrown in for leftish flavoring. Systemic reform so things work better for everyone? Off the table as always.
I was quite surprised how personally viscious their posts were about some excellent Bernie supporters. In their own echo chamber, their true nature reveals itself, very very ugly.
The fact that they use their DU handles tells me they speak with the consent of DU's admins, or at least they have no worries about them. If I were DU, I wouldn't want their DU handles associated with those kind of personal attacks, it reflects poorly on DU. It also reflects poorly on Hillary, I imagine at least some of them are associated with her campaign and its money.
What greatly saddens me, though, is that Bernie's campaign is truly focused on the right issues, and is doing it the right way, without all of the corporate money. It's the ideal that I always assumed our party stood for, though it obviously falls well short of that with its candidates and results. I can see arguing that it is hard to win that way, without the large funding and without representing the interests of the powerful, but I can't see arguing that it is wrong-hearted or wrong on the issues, as many of those posters seem to think. The world they want and the world I want seem to have little in common.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)The rest of your post is spot on.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)though I am saying that those posters felt fine with using their DU handles to post that hate, and that says something, not sure exactly what.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)say on other sites. That's nothing new.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)RandiFan1290
(6,232 posts)Fucking drunk bigots
Sleep it off
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)PatrickforO
(14,573 posts)On a serious note, there were many Clinton supporters who felt like this lady did after Obama won the primary in 2008. Didn't they call them PUMAs?
I'm for Bernie, and I'm going to do everything possible to help him win the primary and the GE. That said, if he doesn't I'm not voting for any Republican. That just won't happen.
But Bernie needs to win. He's talking about so many things that will make so much difference in peoples' lives.
HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)My BP, high to begin with, started to get really high.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Hate, hate, hate. Bile, vitriol, anger, namecalling.
A few kernels of overly exaggerated to the point of absurdity truth blown way out of proportion, lots of patting themselves in the back for being so smart, and everyone over here so stupid. I'd actually planned to get rid of my ignore list after the primary, but now it looks like I'll want to keep much of it. If they're showing what they truly believe over there, they're not really people I'd want to interact with at all.
(ETA: A) They have one good thing on the site - a countdown clock to the first caucus. B) The view counts are pitiful. They obviously haven't even gotten all of the Hillary suppporters on DU to go there, and I strongly suspect most of the view counts are actually from Bernie supporters with morbid curiosity, going to see how certain DU users WANT to speak about Bernie and his supporters when they know they can be as vulgar and hateful as they want without fear of getting hidden or banned here.)
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)They don't want them. They are ACTIVELY fighting to make sure they NEVER come to pass.
We have to take the Party back from them because right now their philosophy holds power in the Democratic Party (Leadership). They're right about that.
But, they are losing their shit over Bernie. Can you imagine how deranged they will be if we ever create a movement that actually succeeds in reforming the Democratic Party back to the FDR Dem days? From and the Clintons helped spearhead the reformation of the Democratic Party to become the New Democrats. They call themselves that. Their agenda has been openly stated many times. It's not a theory. Many of these posters pretend that either: 1) These New Dems are just as good as the FDR Dems (despite their openly stated mission statement, their actions, and their RESULTS); or 2) It's the best we can ever hope to get. I say Fuck That. I hope enough people are ready to start paying attention for long enough to take back the Party from the radical Wall Street Democrats.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)are people who, as you say, WANT it to be the best we can do.
People who want change, who want something better, always fight (and they don't get into stupid semantic arguments over the word 'fight' and ask if you want a physical altercation.) for MORE than they think they can get, on the offchance they might somehow do better.
You will NEVER get more than you ask for, than you work for. If you simply proclaim you've gotten the best you can get, you never will get better, because it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Fight for far more than you think you can get, be amazed and happy if you do get it, be happy when you get less, but more than you thought you could, and continue to push for more if all you get is what others said was 'all you could get'. Progress never comes through complacency.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)And they'll attack anyone who supports it.
PatrickforO
(14,573 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)Besides the vitriol, there is the anger that no matter how many times it is explained to Bernie's supporters that he cannot win, we still support Bernie. I have seen that expressed here about other candidates, but their fury at not being obeyed is remarkable. Remarkably unhinged. There is some real ugly there. And yeah, they hate Bernie's supporters, and they hate Bernie.
Funny thing, I read somewhere here at DU, the other day, that a real leader would be able to keep his supporters from twittering or whatever. So Bernie needed to tell his supporters to stop. At the same time, no matter what an HRC supporter or staff member or PAC does or says, we are told that Hillary had no control over it, we need to let it go.
What a beautiful example of cognitive dissonance. Or maybe just not that smart.
Oh well. At least they have their own little litter-box to play in. Needs scooping out big time. Ugh. The only other thing is - looking at the names, I am not surprised in the least. And the authoritarian streak in some is kind of entertaining, in a way. Looks like Hell has no fury like an authoritarian personality who is disobeyed. Like Freeperville with a better vocabulary and better grammar. But the same foaming anger and ugliness.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)carolinayellowdog
(3,247 posts)Earlier this year I posted about a book on dogmatism that makes some points relevant to online aggression. Here is the passage most relevant to what you are describing:
1. Preoccupation with Power and Status (as evidenced by behaviors)
2. Glorification of the In-group; Vilification of the Out-group
3. Dogmatic Authoritarian Aggression
4. Dogmatic Authoritarian Submission
5. Arrogant, Dismissive Communication Style
What motivates this behavior? A perennial favorite of mine is Erich Fromm's short article The Authoritarian Personality.
What I've noticed regarding uncritical adoration of political or religious leaders is that those with such a mindset can't really imagine anyone else existing outside that kind of bubble. If you don't submit enthusiastically to the will of the party, or of God's chosen spokesman, etc., then you MUST be submitting in a cultic, masochistic way to some OTHER authority. It's projection, all right, due to a particular kind of blinders.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Here is an Authoritarians Mantra that I don't know where I got,
"I am a humble servant and recognize that I am not worthy of knowing true reality.
Therefore, I will trust my chosen leader to guide me.
I will never question the reality I am presented.
There are no conspiracies because that would mean my leader isn't in total control and that isn't possible."
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)was a hack writer I've had on Ignore for years. (Does she still have the pouty picture as her sig line on DU?)
This is interesting. I can't imagine any one of us starting a site like that. I can't speak for anyone else but it's all I can do to keep up with DU, social media and all the local sites and activities Bernie activists are involved in.
Seriously, do they not campaign? I've been to a whole lot of activities here in the pink part of California and I've seen nothing for any candidate other than Bernie.
If Hillary supporters are so in love with her, why aren't they out campaigning for her?
votesparks
(1,288 posts)Because from what I've seen, most of her supporters are literally too old to do the door-to-door pounding of the pavement that is necessary.
We have a great Bernie canvassing crew here that is growing. We have already canvassed several entire neighborhoods in our city, and canvassed almost every local festival in the past two months.
Most of our canvassers are younger folks.
We haven't seen one HRC campaigner the whole time.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)as it is that they just expect her to automatically have the nomination. Besides, I'm 60 and me and my partners in crime (none of us are spring chickens) are out here 2-3 times a week doing something, even if it's just planning what we're going to do next.
We haven't gotten to canvassing yet as I'm in California and too many people still don't know who he is. At this point we're just increasing visibility and amassing a list of volunteers because the more volunteers you have, the more events you can put on. At this point, it's just all about the multiplication.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Not even a citizen, I believe. So I highly doubt she's knocking on doors in her hood to get votes for Hillary. Though, ya never know. Maybe she is.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)And no the pic is gone. Sadly. I miss it.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)doing the same kind of posting that was exposed by that Russianwho was paid by Putin to discredit Ukraine, extol Putin etc.
The OTT smears of Bernie and his supporters suggests to me that not only are they on a payroll and pumping this stuff out to fulfill their duties but that they are vying with each other for either perks or special attention.
Whatever their motivation that place will simply be an echo chamber for diehards and have no effect whatsoever other than re-invigorating Bernie supporters.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)No need to actually "hit the streets" when your candidate will win no matter what.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Last edited Fri Sep 25, 2015, 08:56 AM - Edit history (1)
Plenty of hate over there - directed at liberals.
ETA: the entire site seems to be devoted to complaining about DU and DUers. If you want to discuss issues, I suggest going somewhere besides that web site.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)There have been dozens of the bitch about DU sites. They pop up, fester; and then die a quiet little death.
I am so glad Scootaloo found this cesspool and turned on the lights.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)They take it very personally that some upstart should presume to challenge her, or them. They believe that they should be able to shout us down, and when they can't, they lose their shit. Losing their shit on DU results in alert stalking hides, so they made their own site on which to do so.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)But entitled to DU as well. They are already talking about what they will do with DU after Hillary wins the primary. They want to kick all of us Bernie supporters off DU because we aren't even really dems and we don't belong here.
The funny part about that is that the majority of DUer's are Sanders supporters, and the Hillary supporters have run away to start their own little forum, where they can avoid us, but they still want to come back and take this place back when Hillary wins...and kick all of us out.
My head is still full of wiggly jello after reading through all that.
My suggestion?
Let's stay out of this. It's OK to be aware of what they are doing, but let's not start to become like them in self-defense. We have nothing to feel defensive about. Do not start calling them names or belittling them. Let's rise above this and just let them vent over there and we will continue on rooting for Bernie over here and get this guy in office.
We have more important things to do.
nxylas
(6,440 posts)Apparently, Bernie is at the centre of a personality cult, and his supporters regard him as the Messiah. Which is why he must not be allowed to deny HRH her coronation. It's her turn!
GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)PUMA's RISING!!
Or more like slithering.
ismnotwasm
(41,977 posts)Why I just stared a thread on prominent Gay rights leaders mulling Biden, but committed to Clinton. Recently, Another one about Hillary sitting down with #BLM. Yet another with her defending Feminism. And on other one on her environmental plan.
As time goes on, if it makes you feel better, Sanders and Sanders supporters will become less and less a topic of concern--at this point there's a lot of venting-- as we commit to getting Hillary elected.
I really wouldn't worry about it. Don't worry about my opinion of DU's Sander Supporters--It should matter not at all to anyone in this group. I can assure you, I don't worry about yours and others who support Sanders. Just enough perhaps, to pass on a little friendly advice.
You and I have DU, and I go to several pro-Hillary sites, blogs, Facebook pages and such. There has to be a number for Senator Sanders. In fact I know there is because I have good friends in RL involved in his campaign. Reach out--you'll be glad you did.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)It sort of begs the question, you know?
marym625
(17,997 posts)I truly find this, very typical, disrespect to be both a joke and very telling. The fact that they were so convinced that Sanders was a non issue to begin with and now, won't be an issue for much longer, just shows how wrong and threatened they feel.
We're part of a revolution. We're taking back our party and our country. We're part of the, to quote Manny Goldstein, "the GET-OFF-YOUR-ASS-AND-SO-SOMETHING club." The non-issue is them.
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)Last edited Fri Sep 25, 2015, 01:31 PM - Edit history (1)
But I understand 'Grumble' is closed to even people who join, except by asking for permission. As it's the most popular forum by far, and I saw some of it before it was locked up tight and how vicious and nasty it was ....... will people feel better posting in the other forums knowing they're being stabbed in the back in the 'Grumble'?
Why would good people supporting a good man be glad to 'reach out' to there?
(Self-deleting images as I don't want this thread locked for something I posted.)
Reminds me of high school ......... only much, much meaner.
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)there's much, much more ..... I just thought these 'invitations' should come with a little reality. I hate to see good, well-meaning people made fools of.
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)exposed. They're a real classy bunch of folks.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)What a load of hate you have. Is this how you will treat and talk about those who "reach out"? Do you think this person is glad s/he did?
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TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)imagine having to deal with such a miserable person in reality
Damage is done and they no one else to blame but their own vile , hate filled perspective .
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)I'll be getting back out on the streets now talking about Bernie. This 90's style Rush bombast just motivates me further to be polite and issue oriented when challenged out there - though in the real world I have yet to run across any real nastiness from real people.
#feelthebern
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Someone has a sadz.
These old conservatives pretending to be democrats are running out of time. Literally.
fbc
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Duppers
(28,120 posts)I've had some on ignore long ago, long before they left DU. Good riddance.
How sad that ridiculing Bernie supporting DUers is all they have to do with their time.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Their obsession with DU and DUers, and their seeming intent to troll DU and cause trouble; I'm surprised that MIRT doesn't just go ahead and tombstone the DUers posting there just to save themselves the future chore. Nip it in the bud, before the weeds take over the garden.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)in the propagation of anti-Bernie memes.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)They don't donate (see ActBlue results), they don't canvass or phone bank...voters aren't even going to pay attention to a handful of bitter PUMAs spewing bile on an obscure website. They were already colluding by DU mail to post the daily talking points.
I do think it should be examined by DU admins inre the issue of several of the Bile Board being on DU's MIRT team. Posting antisemetic statements and hatred towards DU and certain DUers while serving in an official capacity on DU is def a conflict of interest. Those doing so should be tombstoned.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)They are MIs!
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)...a member of MIRT appeared to be bragging about aler-stalking cali. I would agree, that's a malicious intruder. But Skinner says there's no alert-stalking going on....
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Check out what another one on the list had to say about cali...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=623172
Aerows
(39,961 posts)for a whopping total of $100.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)that some on that site are MIRTs here. Hmmmm. Might be worth a closer look.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)and 2) There's some members of MIRT posting there.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)only came in and posted when things got really out of bounds.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)TBF
(32,058 posts)I don't even know what to say. Just feel very betrayed by a few.
TBF
(32,058 posts)The MIR Team, August - November 2015
NEW THIS TERM
Aerows
aikoaiko
azurnoir
Behind the Aegis
beam me up scottie
ColesCountyDem
davidpdx
discntnt_irny_srcsm
Flying Squirrel
George II
herding cats
ismnotwasm
iwillalwayswonderwhy
Kingofalldems
KMOD
L0oniX
mcar
meow2u3
okasha
OKNancy
onehandle
Ptah
SidDithers
William769
RETURNING FOR A SECOND TERM
greatauntoftriplets
Agschmid
Sissyk
LeftishBrit
mrmpa
TeamPooka
Violet_Crumble
Matariki
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10134723
TM99
(8,352 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)To be on MIRT while disparaging DU and DUers on another site is a definate conflict of interest. Has this matter been taken up with Skinner and Earl?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Makes you wonder whose side they are really on
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)If they are on a site dedicated to troll DU, they should not be on MIRT.
TBF
(32,058 posts)on occasionally, and I'm sure others do too. But it's the level of hate I found on that other site troubling. It's not like they are just supporting another primary candidate - which is fine - the site is obviously full of people making pretty snide comments about folks here etc. So it just makes you wonder why they care to be on MIRT here if we are all so horrible.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)I should have scrolled a little further before posting right above your OP.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #181)
marym625 This message was self-deleted by its author.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)with Clinton fanatics.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)The admins ask people who have only served one term if they want to sign up for a second one, and then they post a "MIRT term ending" thread in Announcements. There may be some DUers who have shown themselves unfit for service in the past (I don't know, one way or the other), but it's basically a first-come, first-served proposition. If you'd like to serve on MIRT (and I recommend the experience to pretty much anyone), volunteer early.
It is possible, though, that members of one "camp" or another make an effort to volunteer for MIRT or to host because they believe they'll be persecuted by the rest of DU if they don't.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)TBF
(32,058 posts)I have a very high opinion of him after serving on MIRT. I'm just surprised they would want to be on MIRT if this is such a horrible site full of horrible Bernie-loving folks.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)government with all your heart, get elected, destroy government institutions, make others hate government,
Bravo.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And Ism is posting some really vile shit over there.
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)not real life
Conflict of interest anyone?
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Eye-opening for sure
marym625
(17,997 posts)Maybe four.
As Autumn stated, as long as we're talking about another site and not calling out DUers individually, this is not meta.
Again, continue. Vent away
#FeelTheBern
#Bernie2016
lapfog_1
(29,199 posts)Last edited Fri Sep 25, 2015, 03:53 PM - Edit history (1)
I did a lot of posting about Hillary last time (I didn't care for her tactics or her personality)... I originally supported Joe Biden, then Obama... and I got into many flame wars (waste of time).
This go round I was going to leave the primaries alone... but I am deeply saddened by what the posters at HRC's pub site think of "us" here at DU (Bernie supporters or no).
I will support the nominee, whoever it is.
But I don't like what is being said in that forum about Bernie supporters here on DU.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Complaining about DU and DUers are part of MIRT. This is a blatant conflict of interest, and I'm surprised they haven't been kicked off MIRT by DU admins.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Someone in Cali's thread had some screen shots from before they went into hiding, though I don't know the extent of what was captured.
Response to Hell Hath No Fury (Original post)
Corruption Inc This message was self-deleted by its author.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Reading that site has shown me otherwise.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)[link:
|bunnies
(15,859 posts)Thats exactly how it feels. And they call US the haters. *smh* I feel stupid for having respected some of those people, knowing now what they thought of me / us. I wont make that mistake again.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)were never on the side of progressives. They have lurched the Democratic Party right ward since Al started the damned group. Mad has been writing some great OP's on their founding and what they have and are still doing to the party.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)The irony is actually how often they lose! And then we all lose!
bunnies
(15,859 posts)I started reading them as they were posted but its just so depressing.
TM99
(8,352 posts)and terrifying in their assessment of the reality of what has happened since the 80's Reagan neoliberal revolution began.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Turned 18 in '91. My first vote was for Clinton. Little did I know.
TM99
(8,352 posts)I saw the rise of the New Dems. I vote for Perot in 1992. He was right about NAFTA.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)yeah. I was one of *those*. Took the "cool guy" bait. Hook, line & sinker.
TM99
(8,352 posts)I grew up in a bi-racial Eisenhower Republican family that saw through Reagan instantly. They pushed us kids to be politically active and educated.
It wasn't hard then to see through Clinton once you looked beneath the 'cool'. I also got to see the Clinton's first hand in Arkansas. I was not surprised when the scandals appeared in the White House.
But the important thing is that you know now what is going on. We are all young and dumb once. I might have seen through Clinton but my first wife was an alcoholic!
bunnies
(15,859 posts)I knew stepdad was a Republican and Mom was a Democrat but thats about as far as it went. Now when I think about it I wonder how they didnt kill each other. Apparently they were only *slightly* political. I think my mother might have even voted for Reagan. Who in their right mind goes from Carter to Reagan?!
Oh... and my first husband was an alcoholic too. Many regrettable decisions were made in the early 90's.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)He was my first vote, too.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)they are going to need us? Those evil and vile comments about Bernie supporters are not going to help to bring us together for the general election.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Republicans to win. That's what they do every election, only it is not working on me this time. I will make a stand this election. If Hillary wins the primary, I will write Bernie's name in in the general election.
ladyVet
(1,587 posts)I won't be welcome here at all then, but at least I will have stood up for the only right choice in the thirty two years since I registered to vote.
If I were forced to vote for the lesser of two evils, I'd cast my vote for Cthulhu.
LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)say that if Bernie wins the nomination, I doubt very many will even show up in the General election. I worked around 50+ women who were big supports of HRC and I asked most of them after the general election "were there long lines when you went to vote". I think one voted but the rest were "too busy".
Edit: Forgot the comment "I could not bring myself to vote for that N****r"
So I guess the comment will be made "I could not bring myself to vote for that jew" this time around. I am so glad I am not working any more.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)Now that's a Big Tent Party...gave me cold chills reading it.
Bernie has stood with the Democratic Party for decades...that board sees to stand for something darkly different.
pa28
(6,145 posts)Now they can feel it slipping away. Blasting the left with invective and juvenile name calling is one way they seem to be coping with the pain.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,014 posts)I have no interest in joining or reading there. Just reading through this post is really depressing.
Actually, seems they've got even less guts than the Cave (which leaves the Dumpster open for all to see) if they decided to lock theirs down. Now that's what I call folks who are confident in their candidate.
Bettie
(16,104 posts)stopped at the thread that declares (with full agreement from most everyone) that anyone who supports Sanders is clearly a totalitarian and that they should leave the party.
So, in essence, if you don't support Clinton, just get out of the party.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)have you looked at this?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)That might be about to change. This should be posted in the ATA forum!
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)some myths need to be looked at as they are not myth. And yes, it is ironic to mention her name in light of this thread, except when you look at the fact that alert stalking of any sort, by any side, needs to get squashed in the egg.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Come on, she had a melt down. She started calling Sanders supporters white supremacists from the bit I saw. She got real ugly real fast. And she's now over on Haterville posting right wing smears about Sanders. No, she was playing the pretend you're a Bernie supporter game and finally blew her cover.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)of the fact someone claiming to be a Bernie supporter mailed her HOME ADDRESS and gave her threats. That is not acceptable, at all.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)She had a total meltdown. Did you not see that?
And personally, I don't believe everything I read on the internet. And I really have a hard time believing it after seeing her change her tune so quickly here and use Bernie supporters as her excuse and then post the ugly rw smears she is posting on Haterville now. She called Bernie supporters white supremacists. She had a melt down. She lost it and who knows if that letter is real or not?
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)They should all be tombstoned. It's quite apparent they set up the site for the purpose of trolling DU.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)They should be ashamed of themselves. But *were* the assholes.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)It won't bring her back any sooner but at least everyone will know who's responsible.
Hypocrites.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Theyve been found out now. Hopefully something good will come of it but I doubt it.
So fucking pathetic.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)H. Clinton supporters conspiring to hide progressive DU'ers. How sad.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Months of ops about how evil and conspiring Bernie's supporters are, how we alert stalked and drove off other DUers.
And look at them.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)she often makes them look silly when they try to argue with her.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)The more vitriol they show, the more fear they are feeling.
Oh, they are feeling the Bern, and they aren't happy about it.
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)I mean what does it take to get someone kicked off this site . A screenshot showing what they are intentionally doing and the poster still has the audacity to show up here and preach morality and higher ground .
Truly they are small , small people .
MoveIt
(399 posts)brazen bullshit like that doesn't happen by accident, he clearly feels he is immune from any repercussions for his actions.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)I've been prodded several times by the prodder (without success)...but I knew that was his game. Now he's announced it openly.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)on my ignore list, unless I'm keeping them around for the lulz. No much point in going somewhere else to see the posts of someone I've already decided isn't worth my time. It's no news that some of HRC's supporters will do just about anything to see her in office. It's only going to get worse as her numbers continue to drop.
marym625
(17,997 posts)corkhead
(6,119 posts)libodem
(19,288 posts)OMG. That was enlightening. And shocking. Maybe not shocking. I'm just stunned. I never leave here except for Facebook.
What an eye opener.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Edited: I deleted some quotes, though I used no names, as I get the sense that's the best way to go.
Speaks for itself imo, and let that be the end of it. People can draw their own conclusions.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)directly stating he is working to get people put on time out.
It's cesspool. Anti-Semitic posts, general hatefulness against DUers, trying to find ways to piss Sanders supporters of so they get 5 hides.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)and it seems there that they almost have planning sessions to do that.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)then wouldn't that suggest we are the party, and they should be the ones leaving?
bvar22
(39,909 posts)I did go for a quick look inside their Carnival Tent Show, featuring contortionists, gypsy fortune tellers,
and hucksters selling Snake Oil,
but my stomach couldn't take it.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Truprogressive85
(900 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)are equal-opportunity haterz; even Hillary Clinton Supporters who don't show enough zeal go under their great big bus.
(What an incredible spectacle!)
jfern
(5,204 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)She taught me how not to get caught in the net, because she got me caught. One jurist loved her and couldn't believe she prodded...She was on me like white on rice...about 5 rounds. I learned to not get in the last word. It has been difficult at times, but I have watched some artful ambushes. And back in June, there were swarms. Happy that it is now one sting or two at a time now.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)And that OP lol. I'd forgotten all about that inconsequential person. Thanks for the short laugh but I really can't click through that. It's too vile and my they've been on my ignore list here for years. I'm just glad they dropped their masks enough for everyone to see.
All people like that do is make me work harder to make sure the next President isn't someone who attracts that kind of craziness.
Bernie 2016. Period.
By the brilliant Matt Wuerker at Politico
smiley
(1,432 posts)I just visited FR.
ugh
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)I dislike Hillary's positions and feel she would not be as good a President as Bernie. Because she has gone down the Third Way Highway.
As a person I have nothing against her.
So as I canvas every weekend for Bernie I always keep that in mind - we are fighting for the political soul of our Country - we are not fighting against the other candidates themselves.
I'll leave the swamp to others to wade in.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)How do they expect to win the nomination with that warped mind set?
'course the comment " ... my resolve worn down by a few tokes, a few glasses of sake" explains a lot.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Made a note of many names, none of which surprised me, although their venom did.
MoveIt
(399 posts)All those !@#$!ers were already on my extensive ignore list. I should donate for the strain on DU's SQL cluster!
R. P. McMurphy
(834 posts)I visited the site earlier. Didn't know it existed until this evening. So much is going through my mind. There are people there for whom I had a great deal of respect. I may have disagreed with them but wanted to see their point of view. Now I will never be able to take many of them seriously ever again. To be fair, there were a couple of posters who were trying to call for sanity but the majority were in full hate and ridicule mode.
I still don't (and won't) put people on ignore. There are a few, though, who I will fell free to tell that, because they have chosen to unmask themselves as haters, their words no longer carry any weight with me.
I've seen some Bernie supporters post some things that seemed over the top (mostly VERY forceful tired of corporatist, third-way, opportunistic DLC and I'll never vote for Hillary) and it troubled me because I WOULD HAVE VOTED for whomever the Democratic nominee was (except Webb). I can't say that now. At least Sanders supporters had POLICY reasons not to like Clinton. I didn't see that on the other site. No repudiation of Bernie's policies -- just attacks and ridicule of his supporters.
I truly feel sorry for them. They can't make a meaningful argument for Clinton's policies or against Sanders'. They sure aren't winning hearts and minds. They've resorted to calling SOMEONE LIKE ME a part of the crazy left and not a real Democrat. It must be a lonely and scary place they're in.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)Thanks for sharing your feelings.
I too feel sorry for them - I mostly lurk - but I feel sad and disgusted that DU has been the home to this unseen hate for all these years I've been here.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)YabaDabaNoDinoNo
(460 posts)No different, same attitude, same types of posts.
But not surprising because just like the republicans all they got to run is is Hate, Fear and Lies.
What is very interesting and telling too is how much of the content is now not allowed to be seen by non members.
What do they have to hide?
merrily
(45,251 posts)I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Cant believe this is what passes for intellectual discourse...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=623826
What a laugh riot!
DeeDeeNY
(3,355 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)I can't find the words...
NealK
(1,867 posts)I've been reading that garbage for an hour here and there (taking a very hot shower after each times) and had to pop a ton of Dramamine to avoid doing a remake of that scene in The Exorcist. The level of hatred towards other DUers and Bernie is astounding, is there something in the water they drink or what?
Omaha Steve
(99,624 posts)Yet a popular DUer got kicked off the DU for less than what is going on over there.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)Not true--just click on the links.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)They troll DU and jerk each other off about it there. Sad bunch.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)They make whatever crazy assertions they dream up with no danger of ever being called out on them.