Not to get ahead of ourselves but...

[retrowire]

It's commonly agreed upon by most (I think) that a Sanders + Warren combo would be a dream team.

Has anyone else noticed that Warren is starting to seek publicity a bit more lately? the fact she appeared on Colbert's late show shortly after Bernie's appearance has my Spidey senses tingling.

perhaps she's gearing up to potentially join him in the race?

[peacebird]

1. It would be a sweet ticket!

[kestrel91316]

2. I'd have no objection to her!

[think]

3. While I have no idea of Warren's plans that would seem to be an unstoppable ticket! /nt

[AllFieldsRequired]

4. I wondered why she was doing more TV lately myself.

[Qutzupalotl]

5. While I would hate to lose two effective senators,

I admit I would be behind this ticket 100%. But I already support Bernie, so adding her doesn't change anything for me. As a successor to Bernie...yes, absolutely. I would prefer her at the top of the ticket, tbh. But she has been so good in the Senate, it would be a shame to send her on an assignment with almost no official duties. And it would make it that much harder for us to retake the Senate. Just my 2¢.

[DianeK]

14. Bernie's Presidency would be very different..

This VP position would most definately not be a 'go to funerals' VP!

[jfern]

20. Vermont and Massachusetts probably have the two best pairs of Senators

Leahy and Markey aren't as good as the other two, but they're not too bad. I think Vermont and Massachusetts should be able to have decent Senators to replace them. Hint to Massachusetts: Don't nominate Martha Coakley.

[tularetom]

6. Not trying to be Debbie Wasserman Downer here

But I think that's not a wise use of Warren's abilities.

Should Sen Sanders be elected, with a republican control of both houses of congress, we will need Democrats with the stature of Warren to help him get his programs through.

She belongs where she can get something done, not spending all her time going to funerals of foreign leaders.

[dae]

9. Good point, but I don't think Sanders would

waste Warren's talents and she would be one heart beat from the Presidency.

[swilton]

10. I agree with you tularetom

It's a better use to have Warren in the Senate to back up the Sanders' agenda.

Furthermore, it makes no sense to have a running mate from the same geographic area as Sanders.

There are plenty of progressive law-makers out there that bring geography to the table - a Congressman/woman from Maryland, for example (Elijah Cummings, Donna Edwards), both of whom are in the Progressive Caucus and both of whom are running in a Primary battle for the seat of retiring Senator Barbara Mikulski.

I like/love Warren and her anti-neo-liberalism rhetoric.....But this lock-step 'Warren-as-running-mate' reflex is a fairy tale and needs a dose of realism.

[Jim Lane]

24. Is Cummings definitely running for the Senate?

I did a quick search and found speculation that he might run, notably from a month ago when he hired a top fundraiser even though his current House district is overwhelmingly Democratic. Still, I didn't see anything in the first page of the search results that said he was definitely in the race.

[swilton]

35. Last I heard was that he was in the primary against Edwards and Van Hollen

But I no longer live in Maryland.



On edit - I found this and I think it indicates he's in. My fear in this particular primary is that Edwards and Cummings will divide the progressive vote and Van Hollen would get it. But either Cummings or Edwards would be good material in a Sanders Admin...Cummings has a longer record in the House than either Warren or Edwards.

http://www.politics1.com/md.html


https://cummings.house.gov/

[Pastiche423]

21. It's not being a downer

It's making political sense.

I do not understand the people that want to waste this beautiful woman's incredible talents by sticking her where those talents would be worthless. I believe she was telling everyone that same thing by her refusals to run for president.

We NEED Elizabeth in the senate!

[HooptieWagon]

27. I agree. She'd be needed in the Senate to shepard Sanders policies through.

Although she'd also be an outstanding Treasury Secretary. But VP would be a waste of her abilities, imo.

[darkangel218]

7. It would be absolutely perfect!

+1

[n8dogg83]

8. Here's my theory/wish. This weekend when Bernie has his rally in Boston with attendance over 20K....

Ms. Warren comes out and introduces him and the crowd goes wild! They then start campaigning together all over the country. How sweet it would be. to the VP question....Ms. Warren is so effective as a Senator, I'd hate to take her away from that role to play a largely symbolic role as VP, so i'm torn about it.

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

11. It sounds great but she would be way more effective as a US Senator instead of VP

As John Adams so famously stated 'The Vice Presidency is most insignificant office that ever the invention of man contrived or his imagination conceived."

[GoneFishin]

12. Talk about scaring the shit out of the status quo.

[Scuba]

13. She'd be wasted in the VP slot, maybe making Bernie assassination-proof, but providing little else.

She's a damned fine Senator. Love to see her on SCOTUS.

[daleanime]

23. Nice!

[in_cog_ni_to]

15. That's my Dream Team!

I hope that's why she's been making public appearances. She would be PERFECT for the VP spot and that ticket would be unbeatable!

[dreamnightwind]

16. Rec'd because we need the discussion on this issue

She's definitely up to something. Her appearance on Colbert was in no way simply her taking an opportunity to discuss the merits of the CFPB. I couldn't figure it out, very puzzling, and fascinating.

I was all for Warren leading up to this primary, reluctantly shifted to Bernie, though Bernie has more than won me over (always loved him, just didn't think he had the charisma or drive to lead this train, wow was I wrong about that), he's waged an incredible campaign and thrown his entire being into the effort, major props to him, I am extremely grateful to him for that.

Warren, well I would love to read her thoughts. She is the wildcard, and has tremendous influence and energy to bring, hopefully she's playing eleventy-dimensional chess and will play a huge role into bringing about the changes we need.

[TBF]

17. No - he needs someone young.

I know the Clinton folks like Castro, but he'd be a very attractive VP choice for Bernie as well. Forty years old, very popular ex-mayor of San Antonio. Texas dems are strong for Clinton so if Bernie wins the nomination it would be a good choice in many ways.

[retrowire]

18. If we're thinking youth

Why not O'Malley?

[TBF]

19. We're dealing with Rubio

on the other side.

Hispanic vote is getting to be a much bigger factor than past (I live in Houston - city is 40% hispanic now) Stats here (fairly recent 2013) - http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2013/09/03/houston-brazoria-metro-area-has.html"

ETA - I would've been just as excited about a Warren/Castro ticket as Bernie. She's very good. Just want to be clear on that

[TM99]

29. No, the last thing we need is Castro.

He is a New Dem.

We need to stop constantly focusing on the superficialities - youth, region, race, ethnicity, and gender.

Warren is not a good choice because she needs to stay in the Senate. And bluntly if she is in talks with Biden (rumors yes but if true) then she may not be the best choice of a VP.

I have suggested before that Barbara Lee would be an idea VP choice. She is a founding member of the progressive caucus, has an amazing track record of being anti-war, and is a strong proponent of both economic and social justice for all.

[TBF]

31. But surprisingly effective in San Antonio -

he went up against the developers and brought manufacturing to the city. Jobs - in THIS country!! That is not so "third way" even if he is being influenced by the Hillary team currently. I think he's someone we could work with.

Barbara Lee is fantastic - but we already have California. I was pretty focused on youth in states that are toss-ups or red. Not another New Englander etc. We may not like to focus on those things, but that is what we have to focus on in the general. Sherrod Brown's already 62 - who am I overlooking that is younger? It's too bad I can't stand Debbie Wasserman who is young and in Florida.

But no one knew who Castro was before the convention. There have got to be other young progressive dems out there ready for the national stage. Especially in the purple states. If not we should be giving to their campaigns to develop them.

[TM99]

32. I am sorry after more than 40 years of the Third Way/DLC/New Dems

I simply don't trust them. I don't trust politicians that align with them that willingly.

Castro was one of Clinton's surrogates that attacked Sanders passive aggressively.

In Des Moines the same week, Texas Rep. Joaquin Castro, whose travel expenses were paid for by the Clinton campaign, knocked Sanders for a lack of outreach to Latinos.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton-2016-proxies-attack-bernie-sanders-213359

I want to say this in all frankness. I didn’t come here to knock any of the candidates, but Sen. Sanders has not reached out to the Hispanic caucus in Congress, has not reached out to me. I’ve never met the gentleman. [He] has not visited Texas or the Rio Grande Valley,” Castro, a San Antonio Democrat, said during a stop at a Mexican restaurant in Des Moines. “That’s a bit of a concern.

http://www.americancrossroads.org/2015/08/hillary-clinton-unleashes-surrogates-to-slam-biden-sanders/

That was patently false.

How can you brush that off and say he would be a great 'progressive' for Sanders to partner with?

[TBF]

33. You are confusing the two Castro brothers -

they are twins.

Joaquin is the one who made the remarks - he is the representative for the 20th district.

Julian currently secretary of HUD, former mayor of San Antonio, did the address at the last convention.

Julian is the rising star, ton of charisma, loved by latinos in Texas. This is not something to dismiss - when we campaigned for Obama we had a heck of a time against Clinton here in Texas because she currently has the hispanic support here. We went door to door, worked hard, could not overcome that lead. Texas is really not in play now, but it will be demographically in another 10-15 years (just as Julian is entering his 50s). I will be very surprised if he is not our first latino president.

I hear what you're saying about the third way and if you have read any of my previous posts on this board you know I come at this from a very leftist position. I do not care so much about partisanship, I care about results. Julian brought JOBS - many jobs - to San Antonio. That is what I look at - what these people actually accomplish. I DID NOT say " he would be a great 'progressive' for Sanders to partner with" - please do not put words in my mouth. That is very dishonest of you. What I said is that he is a candidate who should be considered for obvious strategic reasons.

Good lord.

[TM99]

34. Thank you for clarifying.

It is an easy mistake as there is not a lot of name recognition outside of TX for either of the brothers despite a convention speech.

I would not dismiss Julian as long as he is not tainted like his brother by the Third Way.

But no one knew who Castro was before the convention. There have got to be other young progressive dems out there ready for the national stage. Especially in the purple states. If not we should be giving to their campaigns to develop them.

That is what you said. You did infer that Castro is a young progressive Dem. I think you can see how your phrasing might lead to that kind of conclusion.

I may be open to him now that I know he is NOT his brother. And I don't like making choices because someone is young, Latino, charismatic, etc.. Optics are important after substance for me, never before. That's why I didn't fall for Reagan, Bill Clinton, or Obama. The substance of who each of them was not in congruence with what they had done and espoused.

Do you have any material on Julian that shows where he stands on both economic and social justice issues? What are his positions with regards to war and the use of the US military? Where does he stand on Citizens United and the revolving door between Wall Street & DC? Has he spoken out with regards to BLM? Those are the things I want and need to know beyond the fact that he was a good mayor, is young, Latino, and charismatic.

[swilton]

36. ++++

Barbara Lee is another good choice and bring in votes from the West Coast for balance....

I think the Warren obsession is childish.

Also believe that Castro is a corporate Dem - name recognition, yes but other than that...There are far stronger Latinos policy-wise, for example Jesus 'Che' Garcia who ran against Rahm Emanuel in the Chicago Mayoral primary.

People need to dig deeper than the front pages of the MSM to find these progressive candidates - they are out there, they just don't appear in the msm daily.

[TM99]

37. I like Warren.

I don't love Warren. I especially like her in the Senate. Maybe as a presidential candidate someday but we will see.

I don't know yet if Julian is or isn't a progressive. He may have been a fine mayor, but as I asked the other poster, I need more positions bluntly clarified.

[swilton]

39. Never said I didn't like Warren

It's just that there are far more people out there who strategically have more to offer and also, like Cummings, have worked behind the scenes when it wasn't popular...

While I'm not suggesting she isn't genuine, I would suggest going to her as the first choice is buying what the MSM is selling. Having said I liked her vis a vis economics and social justice, I don't like her policies on Israel-Palestine. Don't know her other foreign policy views.

[TM99]

40. I am sorry if you thought I was implying you did not like Warren.

I was merely stating my thoughts on her personally.

She is genuine and yet I know little about her positions beyond economics and banking. So for now, she has just never been high on my list for president.

[daleanime]

22. I wouldn't mind it, but I would have to wonder why.....

she turned down first string to take second? In other words, I don't think she'll go for it.

[fbc]

25. She'd be great, but she's better in the Senate

[Aerows]

26. My dream ticket

Sanders-O'Malley

I don't want to lose EWs voice in the Senate.

Sanders-O'Malley? Slam dunk for O'Malley in 2020, because I doubt Bernie will do more than 4 years. Gov. O'Malley will be poised to take up the mantle.

[SheilaT]

28. I would also love a Sanders-Warren ticket.

If Bernie were to choose her as his running mate, and they win the election, I suspect he would make great use of her abilities, not just let her be an invisible vice president. Actually, if he does get the nomination, whoever he chooses for a running mate will be very strong, in many ways.

But we really don't need to get ahead of ourselves here.

[merrily]

30. Usually, you strive for all kinds of balance in a ticket.

Also, if you have an older President, you want a younger Vice President (and vice versa).

Two northeastern "liberalest" U.S. Senators well over 60 years of age is not a lot of balance, even if Warren is female.

Remember as well, Warren did sign that letter urging Hillary to run and has not endorsed Sanders, when an early endorsement from her could have done a lot for his candidacy.

Besides, she refused to run for President, despite millions donated to draft her. Why would she run for President?

Finally, I agree. This is not the time to get ahead of ourselves. All kinds of forces want Sanders out of contention. People are not likely to focus on the election before New Year, nor will the debate schedule help them focus--and the first caucus is the end of January, with the first primary coming early in February and Super Tuesday on March 1.

This is series!!1111!!!

[Le Taz Hot]

38. I think she's lending her voice and street creds

to the populist movement. Having two candidates from the same part of the country is probably not a wise use of the V.P. spot. My personal favorite would be Barbara Lee.