Well this says it all doesn't it?

[pinebox]

Amen!

[SmittynMo]

1. When big money is involved

they tell her what to say.

Bernie - No one owns him.

[INdemo]

49. But Hillary after pleading guilty to being a moderate

one week later she said "I am a progressive and I know how to get things done"
"I went to Wall St. and told them to cut it out" (and walked away from there with a few million dollar checks.)
Hillary knows how to get things done for her high dollar friends.
Top Donors data for Hillary Clinton, 2016 Cycle | OpenSecrets
https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contrib.php?cycle=All&id=N00000019&type=

Morgan & Morgan 277,326
Corning Inc $209,100
EMILY's List $187,927
DISH Network $183,446
DLA Piper $171,200
Sullivan & Cromwell $156,350
Akin, Gump et al $133,756
Morgan Stanley $133,424
Time Warner $132,710
University of California
$127,924
Google Inc $105,720
Harvard University $102,671
Yale University $101,604
Latham & Watkins $99,030
JPMorgan Chase & Co $96,803
Creative Artists Agency $95,951
Munger, Tolles & Olson $94,900
Bank of America $89,809
Steptoe & Johnson $89,343
Skadden, Arps et al $81,962

[SmittynMo]

54. To make matters worse

She was confronted about CU and repealing it. She said she would consider it. What? Consider it? This is so non committal.

Bernie is all in.

[INdemo]

61. Hillary supporters wont respond to stuff like this

sorta like Republicans do when they are put on the spot to respond.

I was in a conversation with a Hillary supporter who claimed that Hillary was a progressive and they failed to respond to this nor did any other Hillary backer respond


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=701899

[Kalidurga]

63. Corporations are people my friends...I read that today...

And it wasn't Mitt Romney that said it.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

2. 'just about'.

Not all yet.

deray mckesson ?@deray 1h 1 hour ago

Will Hillary Clinton ever release a platform re: race or criminal justice?

She will eventually, maybe, but as long as she's already winning black voters over by like 75% or so, there's no real reason for her to be in an hurry to do so.

[Doctor_J]

4. her racial justice platform is to allow the

charges by her supporters of "Sanders and his supporters are white supremacists" to stand. Had this dynamic unfolded in the other direction, Bernie would have jumped in to her defense. But, just as in 2008, Clinton will fan the flames of racial tension if it will help.

[bvf]

5. Indeed.

Never thought I'd give McCain credit for being the more reasonable of the two, but there you go.

http://m.

[L0oniX]

3. Hillary ...the oligarchy approved candidate.

[marym625]

10. Evidently the supporters don't care for this.

Truth.

[Orrex]

12. Has this been posted in GD-P?

[marym625]

20. I hope know

Just alerts we get from Hillary supporters all the time

[Rosa Luxemburg]

47. Mrs. Wall Street and Mrs. Media

It's obvious that many Democratic voters can be swayed by the media and the big corps.

[Myrina]

6. K N R

n/t

[Doitnow]

7. I Don't Want

someone for President who has to be dragged to the left. I want someone who is already there!!

Go Bernie!!!! He's the believable one.

[840high]

8. ...+1

[SammyWinstonJack]

34. Dragged to the left only to get elected and then

abandons those on the left.

Sound familiar?

[tblue]

43. That's my fear

I'm not trying to dislike or mistrust her but I can't help it. She just told one group she's a moderate centrist. Then at the debate she called herself a progressive. Which is it? That's just one example but I'm not here to overwhelm.

[Doitnow]

57. Even Republicans

go to the left just before elections, but how they do change once in office!! That's why past records of candidates are of utmost importance. Willingness to do something about any issue usually shows up long before someone runs for an office. Look at records. Go Bernie!!!

[TheKentuckian]

9. The alert stalkers are at it again

On Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:14 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Well this says it all doesn't it?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128065381

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

The picture explicitly shows Hillary being offered a wad of cash and thus quintessentially corrupt and money driven. This doesn't belong on DU. There has never been a shred of evidence that Hillary has ever accepted a bribe and it is extremely distasteful.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:21 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Nothing to see here at all, just an illustration of Clinton's connections to big money. She doesn't need to be bought she is freely so inclined.
Now watch while I go rec that thread.
TheKentuckian
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The most ridiculous alert I have ever seen on this website. 
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: WTF?
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There is nothing out of line with this post. No where is it stating or even remotely claiming a bribe is being made. 
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[BeanMusical]

16. What a ridiculous alert.

[Babel_17]

30. Testing the waters, gauging support for future alerts?

This site is sometimes not just about Democratic politics. It sometimes is about politics in action. Which isn't necessarily bad, as long it's clear.

[smokey nj]

18. There was an SOP alert sent on this as well.

[Autumn]

21. I posted the alert down thread and sent the poster the text of the alert.

[smokey nj]

22. I saw your post after I made my response.

I guess since the jury didn't do the alerter's bidding, he thought the hosts would. I guess they haven't yet figured out that it won't work.

[pinebox]

23. Indeed you did XD

I don't think the Hillary supporters much care for me. Oh well

[L0oniX]

26. Hillary alert patrol in action again. Stupid games ...like being in jr high school again.

Some never grow out of it.

[arcane1]

29. The skins are growing thinner by the day n/t

[DrBulldog]

33. Exactly. Why is the post a "tear down" when it simply tells the truth.

Millions of us have watched her make all these obvious pandering changes in her position in the last two months. Is this something we should ignore? If so, gawd help us.

[cindyperry2010]

11. well i can say this

no matter who wins I vote blue because staying home and not voting lets the bastard rethuglicans win and I simply refuse to to that. vote blue

[JDPriestly]

13. K&R.

[demwing]

14. Ive tried in 2 different browsers but I cannot see the graphic

can you provide a link to the source?

[BeanMusical]

15. I checked "image properties" and got the link:

ttp://i.imgur.com/g0KhHjK.jpg

(I had to remove the H in http for the link to show instead of the pic)

I hope that it will work.

[Autumn]

17. Your OP has been alerted on as an SOP violation.

Reason: This discussion thread violates the Statement of Purpose for this forum.
-- Alerter's comments: The protected groups were established to SUPPORT the various candidates, not tear down others. This post represents a de Facto violation of the Statement of Purpose of this group AND Democratic Groups in general.

Now the way I see it is that the Hillary supporter and MIRT member who alerted on this post must not see what is posted in.. other groups. I am not inclined to lock this it is about Bernie Sanders. I will send you the complete alert so you know who the alerter was.


Oh and here's a rec

[Admiral Loinpresser]

19. +1 n/t

[L0oniX]

25. George II is still trying to cause problems.

[Autumn]

28. Considering what they post at their other site I will not give an ounce

of consideration to their alerts.

[BeanMusical]

31. +1

[cui bono]

41. +1,000,000

[a2liberal]

46. I lost a lot of respect for some DU posters the other day

I had heard comments about the ugliness of the other site, but didn't realize exactly how ugly they meant until I followed a link and say posters, some of whom I used to respect, saying things like

He's not in it to win, and he doesn't expect to win. He's in it for the few months of glory (I'm sure his wife put him up to it anyway), the free tour of the United States at his fans' expense, and the wealth that he gets to keep after he drops out.

I'm not even sure Bernie wants to win. Stupid stuff like this makes me wonder all the more. He'd probably shit his pants if he actually won. Same with Trump. It's about ego and attention with these two. And if I'm right he is screwing all his delusional cult followers.

BernieBaggers - as dumb as a brick, and twice as thick.

If that same group considers something as mild as this OP to be "extremely distasteful" then umm, just... wow.

[smokey nj]

62. Their ugliness knows no bounds.

[historylovr]

66. I hear you. I've been through chickenhouses that had less of a stench than the posts I saw there.

And Bernie's supporters are nasty?

[WillyT]

24. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[senz]

27. K&R -- excellent pro-Bernie OP. Clear and easy to read.

[DrBulldog]

32. The sad story is Americans are such political dolts.

They buy into whatever is shoved in front of them on the TV screen. Even Benghazi committee proceedings.

The reawakening may very come in a couple of years when President Clinton can't get anything at all worthwhile accomplished with both houses of Congress firmly Republican and firmly anti-Hillary. Then - and probably only then - Americans will finally begin to realize that they "shudda voted for Bernie".

[ProgressiveJarhead]

39. And

She'll try to work with republicans and cave in immediately. I respect HRC, but she is not trustworthy. I would like to see some pundit ask her about her donors and the betrayal of democracy in Honduras.

[Thespian2]

35. K & R!!!

Good Question!!!

[Uncle Joe]

36. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, pinebox.

[humbled_opinion]

37. Interesting since Hillary has switched

a majority of her positions, what makes people believe that she won't switch them back? The only successful route to winning the GD is for a there to be a Hillary Bernie Ticket....

[Autumn]

38. No.

[artislife]

58. That is exactly what went through my head. nt

[TheFarS1de]

42. Hillary anywhere in the mix ....

will just make it business as usual . She would be a corporate anchor in his Presidency . Sanders will carve off the moderate Republicans whereas Clinton will motivate the Republican base and with Democrat voter numbers being what they are The Dem's need the Independent voters , and Clinton isn't getting the groundswell needed .

[humbled_opinion]

68. I don't get it...

I understand Bernie is the answer for majority of the problems in this country right now, however, with the media all but declaring Hillary the Democratic nominee how do you even see a path for Bernie at this point?

[SandersDem]

40. TPP for example.

HRC is NOT against this, pay attention, she simply does not like it in its current form. People have misread this and the press says that HRC now does not favor the TPP, and yet...change a few paragraphs and see what happens. Does this make you trust her more or is she just being sneaky/splitting hairs/not genuine, but not lying on her position either.

Don't be fooled.

[DrBulldog]

51. I hate it when Hillary warms up her voice before every speech ....

"Do do do do dooooooooo"

"Re re re re reeeeeeee"

"ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! MEEEEEEEEEE!"

[lonestarnot]

44. K & R.

[librechik]

45. I love them both and of course they have the same positions, more or less

don't we all? I support both of them and hope millions of Americans take the time to listen to them--they are US

[Autumn]

48. They do not have the same positions, more or less

Hillary is "talking" those issues. Bernie has "walked the walk" on those issues.

[DrBulldog]

50. It is now very clear. The Democratic establishment fix is in.

I know Bernie is about to deliver a very hard punch in Iowa, but the gullible American voters appear to be going stupidly for royalty and entitlement and pandering thanks to the DNC and corporate media.

I hope not, but I'm afraid I'm beginning to see that our country blew it.

[INdemo]

55. Bernie still has a good chance in Iowa and NH

.
The Sanders campaign will be running ads in both states

With Hillary with what she thinks are negatives against Bernie just might backfire.

If things like when he said "yelling is not going to get things done" and if that is sexist and if that is all Hillary's got then we are is great shape.
Hillary is such a Republican style campaigner..

How can Hillary defeat Bernie Sanders on any of the issues"..When Bernie talks it is from the heart. When Hillary talks its from the script provided by Wall St and the corporate mafia.

[SharpProgress]

52. Apparently changing one's mind is...

Unacceptable from the left these days. Really guys? You can't condemn someone for their policies in an effort to change their positions and then denigrate them for doing just that.

Us: "you're wrong on xy and ž! Rawr!"

HRC: " you know, your right, and so is Bernie. Here is a publication explaining my policy positions now. "

Us: "No, we don't accept anyone changing their position to align with us or to apologize. Ever. We don't forgive, and we don't forget! '

HRC: " Oh, I though I was working with intellectuals, not the Tea Party.... "

Us: " yeah well, um, we are intellec.... Hmm.... How very ass hatty of us... "

Why we would eat our own (just like Republicans) I'll never understand. How about we follow Bernie's lead and stop these silly attack adds.

He doesn't do it.
He doesn't like that you're doing it.
Stop. Acting. Like. Republicans.

[Autumn]

53. Welcome to DU. This is a protected group for supporters of Bernie Sanders,

let me help you out.

[artislife]

59. Make sure they gather their belongings, too. nt

[pinebox]

56. Changing ones mind is fine BUT

she is changing her mind on EVERY SINGLE IMPORTANT ISSUE we face as a country, literally.
This is why her numbers for being trustworthy are underwater. People don't trust her because she changes her mind more often than any other candidate in history.

Here are a few choice things.

TPP
KXL
NAFTA
Iraq
Minimum wage
Gay marriage
DOMA
Crime & mass incarceration
Drivers licenses for undocumented immigrants


On and on it goes. No, we're not acting like Republicans, we're acting like progressives who see through her little charade of changing positions in order to be popular among American voters. We don't need a POTUS who is changing their minds all the time and "evolving" on the issues. I vote for rock solid positions, not someone who's a sand castle.

[artislife]

60. This is great

I just copied to my One Note to use at a later date.

[MasonDreams]

64. Bernie Because he is the Best, not because Hillary is bad, She's second best.

[Major Hogwash]

65. Great picture.

How anybody can vote for her is beyond me.

[lbroz]

67. Thanks Hillary, we love you too!

Greed Is Good

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