Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumMedia seems to have decided to ignore the fact that Sanders is a candidate--
except when they take a snarky pot shot. But mostly, just ignore his candidacy. This includes those we have heretofore considered our friends, like those on the Comedy Network and on MSNBC. Clinton entered the race with 91% name recognition and hundreds of millions of dollars. Is this additional thumb on the scale really necessary? If so, for whom? It's certainly not for the benefit of readers or viewers. Even as bad for democracy as mass media has become in recent decades, this is not justifiable.
I am not sure programs or networks pay any more attention to our emails or calls than do our elected "representatives." But, sponsors might. Social media is also an option. Other ideas, anyone?
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)I hate to tell you this, but there is no constitutional right to media coverage.
Duppers
(28,094 posts)It was only a correct observation about unfairness.
Smartass much?
merrily
(45,251 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Unfortunately...........
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)smokey nj
(43,853 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)fredamae
(4,458 posts)Where can I get your Straw Man?
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Or use this one (delete the space after http
http: //westchestertownhall.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Straw-Man_500.gif
fredamae
(4,458 posts)right now
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)as if she had espoused a law forcing the press to do that coverage, and then attacked the latter, nonexistent, comment rather than dealing with what she actually said.
A straw man is a common informal fallacy based on false representation of an opponent's argument.
And I suppose it didn't actually need a warning, but I needed some excuse to use the neat graphic.
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)Puglover
(16,380 posts)I am going to ask you respectfully this once to stop with the antagonizing posts to our hosts.
And it's the last time I ask.
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)It's a perfectly okay question to ask.
I am a Bernie supporter, I am a member of this group, I was a host of this group, and the blue text SOP we are still using is the one I wrote.
I am frustrated by the consistent warning I see, on posts that don't deserve it. It makes the group feel unwelcoming.
I've significantly reduced my own posting here because I don't feel welcomed. People have abused me and told me I'm not a real Bernie supporter, that's NOT what a safe haven group should be.
merrily
(45,251 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)flor-de-jasmim
(2,124 posts)The deck is stacked in favor of WHOEVER the corporate forces behind the media choose to support.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)as it was in the last several cycles. It's about generating $'s for the media outlets, not journalism.
It is really just something like a poorly scripted reality show.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
gelsdorf
(240 posts)and this, of course, must not be allowed to happen. They might need a night light to go to sleep. Why, TPTB, may have to pay their fair share! That's not the 'Merika, we know!! Morans!
TM99
(8,352 posts)it has only been about 2 weeks since Sanders announced.
Comedy Network & MSNB have NEVER been friends to economic progressive liberals. If it is social liberalism, sure, they are right there. But economic? Not on your life. These channels are owned by the same media corporations that only everything else.
The illusion of democracy is all that is left here in the US of A.
Social media, word of mouth, grassroots, maybe boycotting, etc. are definitely routes to take with this.
merrily
(45,251 posts)getting more coverage than Bernie. I don't see that as innocent or organic.
TM99
(8,352 posts)It stinks, and I get angry sometimes trying to figure out how as an individual I can personally fight back against this corporate take-over.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Clinton for Millinials but not Bernie. He's been in politics much longer than she. And I am going to keep tweeting it to him until I get an answer
merrily
(45,251 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)We have a media action post every week. Looking for suggestions for week 4. I posted this morning. Please give yours!
merrily
(45,251 posts)Per this thread, I think we should put the NYT on blast. And keep up with Bernie on Facebook. (I've been liking my brains out.) But, that's more of an ongoing thing.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I wait to see what other suggestions and how many for what before I put up week 4 Monday. There's a good suggestion on there now but I don't remember what it is now but I liked it.
Not sure which is better to start. Smaller outlets or huge ones
And thanks!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026669939
daleanime
(17,796 posts)if they had better coverage, I might even reconsider renewing my subscription.
marym625
(17,997 posts)We need as many around here as possible!
Can you put it on the suggestion post, please? There are a couple other suggestions there and people should see what others are thinking. Maybe they'll go with NYT if they see it
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12806640
Duppers
(28,094 posts)The corporate PTB hold the huge economic reigns of the networks, not us smaller donors.
They do not care how many millions we donate. It's sad and infuriating. It's therefore up to us to get info about Bernie out in any way we can. The main avenue will be ads on the very networks that are ignoring him.
Note, however, he has recently been on CBS's Face the Nation, NBC news, and MSNBC covered his announcement.
Just found this interview on TDS/Jon Stewart waaay back in 2011:
http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/wjezpa/exclusive---bernie-sanders-extended-interview-pt--1
Too bad Stewart has had him on recently.
merrily
(45,251 posts)More recently, Stewart has thrown some snark his way several times.
I adore and admire Stewart greatly, but he is pure establishment.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)and not interested in a Bernie Sanders candidacy. and mark my words, the more traction he gets the more they will try to destroy him.
merrily
(45,251 posts)rickford66
(5,498 posts)These are well educated engineers. Something big has to happen to get him into the news cycles. It may come from right wing attacks on his policy proposals or they may want to use his candidacy to hurt Hillary.
merrily
(45,251 posts)fredamae
(4,458 posts)WE are going to have to BE Bernies Media.
Educate. Educate. Educate.
merrily
(45,251 posts)fredamae
(4,458 posts)Media = Corporate Representation
No media = Grassroots, people powered Representation because "we" want it bad enough to make it happen.
This is a Grassroots Effort. A successful grassroots movement Is exactly as you said and it's an "old/new" way to campaign.
We have been spoiled by the work BIG $ campaigns run. Nothing is really ask of us except for Money and a Vote. Well paid Corporate Campaign Staff do all the hard work for us.
Grassroots, We are the Campaign. Make it or break it. It's up to "us".
merrily
(45,251 posts)Autumn
(44,748 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Autumn
(44,748 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)dig deep, lean forward and all the rest of the sayings.
corkhead
(6,119 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)fredamae
(4,458 posts)Heh at their Own peril
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/242182-reid-clinton-has-a-clear-field
randys1
(16,286 posts)has huge amounts of money coming in, then he will get their attention.
It is up to us.
P.S.
also donate here
http://www.russfeingold.com/
Russ may be the only hope we have someday.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)It's the Hegemony. Bernie's pounding on it & trying to crack it already. They're not gonna let him have a bigger hammer if they can help it.
Bernie's best chance lies in the fact that the mass media are becoming increasingly irrelevant.
randys1
(16,286 posts)sunday morning tv or fox news or msnbc, are they gonna vote?
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)One notion that gives me some hope is the idea that many potential voters stay home because neither choice excites them. Bernie's different enough, his message is forthright enough, that he may awaken all sorts of folk from their apathy.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Welcome to the happy place!
daleanime
(17,796 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Koinos
(2,792 posts)The primary and general election do for media what the holiday season does for retail.
TV time is where most of the campaign billions end up.
Moreover, most of the major networks, cable stations, radio stations, and newspapers are owned by the same corporate puppeteers who want their "puppets" to prevail in elections.
Grassroots door-to-door work and grassroots contributions may not be enough.
The problem is that "grassroots" folk are working so hard for so little that they don't have a whole lot of time or money to contribute to political campaigns.
In the end, even grassroots campaigns need benevolent and sympathetic millionaires to come to the rescue. Though few in number, there are such persons.
There are members of the 1% who do not like inequality any more than we do.
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Koinos
(2,792 posts)How does Bernie get his message out without media? The Internet (with DU) is not enough. Most people depend upon TV, radio, and newspapers. If a tree falls in the forest, it isn't going to get heard unless someone talks about it. The primary source of both education and miseducation in our society is the media. The "deluded segment of our population" that you are talking about is most people. They need "enlightenment" of some kind in order to be educated. What electronic or print media will provide this? How will Bernie reach more than already loyal followers without buying some sort of access to advertising? Word of mouth never won a political campaign. If the media won't give free time to a candidate they deem dangerous to their financial well-being, then that candidate has to -- like it or not -- pay for exposure. For good or for ill, "the corrupted media" (Fox is way beyond corrupted) is all we've got.
Enthusiast
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merrily
(45,251 posts)For the NYT, it has to be to the Times. For TV, maybe protesting to sponsors would work better.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)I believe the fear is that this house of cards could come crashing down if someone rocks the boat. I know what Thomas Jefferson has to say about it.
The worst thing that can happen is like what happened to me today. Talking with a longstanding friend who has an air of cynicism. Our conversation boiled down to this: we're using resources. The bottom line is we have a standard of living that is maintained one way or another. Some of this is true. We'll be mining ore the day Bernie takes office. It's hard to get people to realize that things could be run in a more humane way, and still keep the stockholders happy.
I'm struggling to find a counter to this emptiness I feel when faced with this form of apathy.
I know Bernie's message is true, and I also know that we do not have it good in America. We can do better. I also think that as much as they try to marginalize Bernie, his message will resonate.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Nor do I think anything like apocalypse will occur if Sanders is elected.
If you are thinking that Thomas Jefferson made some derogatory comment about corporations, that is an urban legend. That comment cannot be sourced to him. If you are thinking of something else, you should probably be more specific, if you want to be understood.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)aim our sights at improving the humanitarian quality of our country, while being brave and shaking up the corrupt structure that doesn't serve the people well.
I think what I'm trying to say is there are two schools, one being conservative, the other liberal. One seems to be blind to anything but the return on investment.
People have, and will suffer. And I want to keep that to a minimum. That's far more important than return on investment. Bernie isn't going to do what Bush did, and if these people can't see that then I fear for what we will turn into if Bernie doesn't get in office. That almost sounds pathetic to say, but I think it's true.
I think Jefferson was right on when he advocated shaking the government up every so often. But this frightens the hell out of people with money.
So we've got these basic types. Two mentalities. I hang out on DU because it really feels like we have this in common. But I am so frustrated (oh shit, what was the OT of this thread? I should go to bed. ), because I am absolutely certain that Bernie is what/who we need in the White House. And I've got a very keen bullshit detector. Yet this other type of mentality just doesn't see it. This is what we have to deal with; to overcome; to convince. What I'm almost saying is that we kind of need to all get together to make this happen. This tug of war that I've witnessed in DC over the last 7 years is torture. I can only hope that Bernie's message resonates with people across political lines.
Well, I think it's time to go to sleep. I'm typing incoherently I think.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Yes, I am sure the plutocrats don't want Bernie. Question is, can we somehow pressure establishment media to cover him anyway?