Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumWell I'm convinced. I've been backing the wrong candidate.
Hillary 63% Bernie 29%. And all the lamenting in the world won't change those numbers.Sanders supporters, please list the polls that you find acceptable.
Oh, snap! Because no underdog in the polls has EVER come back to win an election. What was I thinking? How could I have been so foolish? Except in 2007 of course when I was rooting for Obama and every day someone made a point of posting a poll showing him behind in one aspect or another, some state or another, the entire country, lost that debate, etc etc.
"But Bernie is no Obama! Things are different this time around!"
I'll tell you one thing that's the same: Hillary is still Hillary. Obama didn't win solely because he was Obama -- he also won because he was not Hillary. He had no more foreign policy experience than she did (possibly less) but that didn't translate into victory for her. All the polls in the world can't change the fact that likeability matters, and history sometimes repeats itself. Just ask Mitt Romney.
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)So true...no change from 2007 -- Hillary is still Hillary.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Thanks.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I have nothing to add that would probably not get a hide, so I'll leave it at that.
GO BERNIE!!
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)And ya know...I've been thinking...
All her blather about being a Senator for NY...and 9/11...and Wall Street...blah, blah, blah.
Well Hill...you ain't the Senator any longer so stop shilling it for the Banksters and Wall Street.
But...Hillary is Hillary and things don't change.
Paka
(2,760 posts)No more needs to be said.
GO BERNIE!!!
840high
(17,196 posts)Jarqui
(10,928 posts)Part of what is driving the polls lately are the big ad buys Clinton made
But I agree that it isn't over.
I'll tell you one thing that's the same: Hillary is still Hillary. Obama didn't win solely because he was Obama -- he also won because he was not Hillary. He had no more foreign policy experience than she did (possibly less) but that didn't translate into victory for her. All the polls in the world can't change the fact that likeability matters, and history sometimes repeats itself. Just ask Mitt Romney.
Have to agree.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Just as in 2008, the national polls mean next to nothing. At this time in our Democratic primary process, Obama was far behind in every national poll. In most states, he was behind well into the double digits; in many states Obama was behind Hillary by 40+ points.
And yes, just like 2008--all of these polls are touted by Hillary and her minions, as evidence of her inevitability.
These national polls mean very little because it is the state polls that mean the most.
Since we have individual states vote one-by-one--those state polls mean the most.
Does anyone remember how Obama was polling, at this juncture in 2007? Ten weeks before the Iowa caucus, Obama was 10 points behind Hillary. Today, Sanders is just 15 points behind Hillary.
Despite being 10 points behind, ten weeks out--Obama won the Iowa caucuses by 8 points. In ten weeks, Obama gained 18 points.
Anything can happen in Iowa. Support for Clinton is soft. She came in third last time. She doesn't play very well here with her impersonal, canned campaigning.
If Bernie can kick his campaign into high gear for the remainder of his Iowa campaign, he can win the Iowa caucuses. Even coming in a strong 2nd would be wonderful. He's likely to win NH, as he has been ahead in most polls.
So, don't worry so much about those national polls. They were useless in 2008. Hillary was winning ALL of them at this point and Obama was our nominee. When the campaigns roll into these states, the dynamic quickly changes and voters become engaged. Hillary has the advantage at first, because of name recognition--but in many states that advantage will erode. Especially if Sanders does well in Iowa and wins NH.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)And I'm not convinced it's over. She will be asked about that answer again, and she has two options: try to backpedal or double down. Neither is likely to end well.
Bernin4U
(812 posts)No, Bernie is not young, black, and polished. How clever of you to notice.
Although they did have that thing about shattering records for their numbers of small donors. And for energizing huge groups of voters who don't go for politics as usual, and who fly under the radar as far as any traditional polling.
But that can't be it...
marym625
(17,997 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Obama was the best choice available at the time.
Bernie is the real deal.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)now ahead of where Obama was at this point in the campaign.
But you're right, Hillary is still Hillary and her supporters are still the same.
I like the way things are right now. History appears to be repeating itself.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)When someone called her campaign "Camp Weathervane", it was the most accurate description of Hillary's campaign for President.
She is her own worst enemy, she is a lousy candidate.
She says the wrong thing all of the time.
When she invoked 9/11 during the last debate, it was the stupidest thing she could have ever said, coming a day after the attacks in Paris.
She is not endearing to voters in any way possible, just pandering.
She can't bring any new Democrats to Congress because she doesn't have coattails.
In the final analysis, she is only running to become the President for herself, the hell with anyone else!!!!!!!!!!!
senz
(11,945 posts)I don't think I've heard her speak from the heart yet. She doesn't seem to take the debates seriously, it's as if they're a mere formality she has to go through.
Bernie and Martin are far more grounded and sincere.