For the record the term "white trailer trash" is racist

[hootinholler]

This discussion thread is pinned.

The irony that someone firmly entrenched in camp weathervane would use such a racist trope to attack Bernie Supporters is laughable in that it's a prime example of what they are really about.

All that "Not Good Enough" bullshit? All that y'all are racist bullshit? Using this phrase kind of puts the lie to that shit.

Do I even need to explain why white trailer trash is racist?



Posted by the owner of the site that exists for the purpose of making DU a hostile environment for Bernie activists.

[Cosmic Kitten]

1. They are not liberal or progressive.

Their language and vitriol exposes
which side of the political spectrum
they fall on.

[peacebird]

2. Maybe that is why they support Clinton.

[Cosmic Kitten]

3. Ta Da! Now it makes sense ;~)

[roguevalley]

26. wow. he must have been looking into a mirror

They are a cult

[dorkzilla]

4. They’re horrible. IGNORE THEM.

Otherwise you’re giving them fodder for their little BS site. They can’t fight with themselves. Lets not engage them, and for the record WHO CARES what they say over on their site? We’ve seen who they are and we should just take it for granted that they continue to say horrible things about people who used to be their allies.

And all the people who are being alert-stalked? My thought is to STAY HERE ON THE BERNIE BOARD. You’re not going to change any of their minds, so posting pro-Bernie stuff on GD-P is counter-productive at this point.

[Autumn]

10. Certainly interesting and very revealing.

All of these screenshots make it clear that so much is posted here just to stir up strife and hate.

[marym625]

17. pretty sad.

Very sad.

[Live and Learn]

139. I find it very sad too.

[marym625]

141. Too bad the children can't handle adult issues.

[Live and Learn]

145. I think some of them are actually crying out for help. nt

[marym625]

147. Good point

Could be.

[stillwaiting]

158. It's unbelievably sad. I don't even know where to begin.

I've had the poster on ignore because I didn't believe they were participating in good faith here.

I believe that my intuition has been proven correct.

I have nothing but compassion for those that are struggling regardless. There just comes a time when no good will come from interacting with certain people in life. Sometimes it's just not the right time to connect with someone.

[marym625]

160. yes. well said.

We all know it's just the internet but we also know that the majority of us came here for real discussion, to improve our understanding, to possibly teach others something useful. When it becomes nothing more than a game, when the players mean nothing to you, or worse, the game is just to toy with emotions, it is something more than suspect.

I have believed the same you have. The things we've seen come from the hrc cave seem to come from those that either have some serious issues, those that just get a kick out of messing with people, (which is a pretty serious problem in itself) those that are just mean, and finally, those that are outright sociopaths. None of those are fun to deal with.

But the outright, twisted, disgusting display yesterday, the attacks on people who are dealing with some of life's most horrendous illnesses, should have been dealt with by removing those responsible. It was much worse than any word or source post.

[stillwaiting]

166. Oh wow marym! I must have missed a lot yesterday!!

I know that Catherina left, and I certainly can generally understand why she did, but was that related to yesterday's events at all?

I have been spending MUCH less time perusing this forum. It's become a toxic dump.

I honestly don't know if I'll ever feel the same about this place again.

I do love and respect many of the posters here though (yourself and Catherina included).

I just don't relate to some of the posters here anymore, and I consider their values and political beliefs to be working AGAINST what I value and am fighting for. It's becoming a problem.

[marym625]

169. Thank you. The feeling is mutual.

No, Catherina didn't even know what went down yesterday. It was more about the third-way, the calls to war from people who claim to be liberals, the reactions about Muslims, etc. It also has to do with the ridiculous, disgusting shit that culminated in the despicable stuff yesterday.

She's not the only one that left yesterday. And, while I have hated the GBCW posts in the past, I don't blame anyone who has done so I'm the last month or so.

I lurked here for almost a decade before I joined. But even since I joined, the feel and purpose of this place has changed and for the worse. I also will never feel the same about this place. Sadly.

[cui bono]

214. Agree completely.

I also must have missed most of what you are talking about. Sadly, as we have all seen, some get preferential treatment on here.

[marym625]

223. I missed a bunch as well

Over the weekend. Was busy getting the word out for Bernie and trying to get the California FREE Act on the ballot.

Definitely certain people receive preferential treatment. Smh.

[Enthusiast]

19. Yes, it's clear.

[img][/img]

[Autumn]

22. Very.

[merrily]

45. I don't know if it reveals anything we haven't known all along.

I don't necessarily buy when anyone says I support Bernie but XYZ makes me post another way. Don't necessary believe it, don't necessarily disbelieve it.

Some people are not honest; some are mindfuckers, quite a few here for some reason have been playing as though they support Bernie but XYZ made him or her switch wnen I never personally believed they supported Bernie to begin with.

[Enthusiast]

90. Swtiching support from Bernie

is just part of the act. IMHO.
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[merrily]

105. Bottom line: certain people are not now Bernie supporters and there's a lot of drama

around that. shrug

[sabrina 1]

142. The 'Bernie supporters' nonsense is a TALKING POINT. It makes me laugh actually. I would

have thought with all the money pouring into these talking points, they could have come up something better than that. Most people, who even know about it, just laugh their heads off as it shows how much of a thread he is to the status quo.

Meantime more and more people are signing on to Bernie's campaign, not wasting time on that silliness.

If that's all they've got, we have nothing to worry about. Just keep on going the way we have and Bernie will be the next POTUS!

[merrily]

144. Agree. Leave the drama to the pros on Broadway.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

210. One of her early blazes of glory was a gleeful "old white males are dying off" OP.

I'm amazed at those who didn't figure her out then. We *have* known all along...

[hootinholler]

69. And the results are in...

Thanks hoot
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=75932

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is unnecessary piling on of a member of DU who is not part of the group and can't defend herself.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:23 PM, and voted 6-1 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: What in the hell happened to this board. This is a shame to see.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: That's bush-league. I'm not hiding anything in The Great BernHill Slapfest of 2015/2016. But that is definitely bush-league.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: These kind of personal attacks make DU suck.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This looks like a private message and has been put out here to instigate and gin up hatred. If this was sent to the person that posted it, shame on you for breaking a confidence. If it wasn't, shame on the person who broke confidence and sent it to you. This isn't high school, stop passing notes and talking behind each others back. Stop piling on people. This bullying has to stop. it's ridiculous. This was posted so you could sit back and watch the feeding frenzy that will ensue. Hide this.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Here have some of these, Jack.

[Autumn]

72. Pass those around like candy Hoot

fuckidol they should come in red

[cui bono]

89. I need a scrip for those!!!

Or maybe the Clinton Cavers need them.

[Hiraeth]

126. Thank you #2,5,6 and 7 for at least attempting to wrap your brains around what is going on here.

The Great BernHill Slapfest of 2015/2016. <----- love this

[sabrina 1]

129. There is no Bernie slapfest. But there is a site where DU and DUers are being attacked

in ways that would be hidden here. My opinion is if what you have to say is so bad you have to create a site to say it without consequences, maybe YOU (generic 'you' btw) are the problem.

A lot of hate on that site for whatever reason. Can't imagine feeling that way about anyone, it would take way too much precious energy and time.

[Hiraeth]

135. I understand .... but, honestly if the Hills are the ones doing the slapping then by definition

aren't the berns the ones getting slapped?

and then turning the cheek to get slapped again, right?

the old "it takes two" rule.

I stand by the name but, can understand why you would choose not to.

Look, I am really just trying to make some light on what is turning out to be a very weird day (after months of weird days) on this site.

No harm. No foul.

Peace.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

171. To juror #7: I've publicized DU mail I've received. It's MINE and I'll do what I want with it.

This was a really bad hide.

[Duckhunter935]

177. Yep, if it was sent to them

They should be able to post so that others can see the bullshit in that message. Simple fix, do not send things you are ashamed to have in the open. Bad hide indeed.

[kath]

178. EXACTLY. Everyone should post hateful and/or bizarre PMs that they receive.

(Like I did above)

Sunlight is good!

[Duckhunter935]

182. Yes it is

Although I am sure at least one person should be ashamed of that sunlight

[TheFarS1de]

201. The double standards here are breathtaking .

We know they are co-ordinating off site , extremely vitriolic in their postings yet it is the on site members being censored . Those who control the narrative control the story , as this place seems to demonstrate .

This type of behaviour is EXACTLY what we need to highlight and target .

[840high]

102. Strife and hate - you are so right.

[Duckhunter935]

112. Apparently to embarrassing

For some as they alerted on it to hide it.

[kath]

173. And she is still sending bizarre, hateful PMs:

Last edited Sat Nov 21, 2015, 06:09 PM - Edit history (1)

DU Mail Message from bravenak
Return to My InboxMark as unreadDelete this messageBlock this sender
5:03 PM
bravenak
Like your buddy catherina?

saw those. Can you DM me with the general idea/contents? Fucking House Niggers and their Plantation Mistresses.
1:23pm - 20 Nov 15

That is about us. To brother ivan.


I will take a hide to post it in public if need be. Bunch of racist stuff coming out of that group.
Reply to this DU Mail
Alert abuse Delete this DU Mail

( I don't know how to take and post a screenshot of that PM. If someone could tell me how, I could change this post to that format, if that is preferable)

[Autumn]

174. That was sent to Brother Ivan?

God I hope that message is alerted on

[kath]

175. No, to me. And I have no earthly idea what she is referring to.

WTF???

[Autumn]

176. To you? Alert that message to Skinner. It's bad enough

that Brother Ivan has left DU over that crazy stuff.

[Duckhunter935]

180. Sickening

Definitely alert on her message, Skinner needs to take care of that person

[BeanMusical]

191. +1 Absolutely.

[Autumn]

179. First thing I want you to do is edit your post

and at the beginning of the message click on the excerpt button and then click it again and the end of the message, that way if it's alerted on a jury knows that you are quoting someone.

[Duckhunter935]

181. Good advice

[kath]

183. Thank you! I wanted it to show up in the gray box thingy, but didn't know how to do it.

great to learn something new!

[Autumn]

184. I am sending you the link to what the message you received is about

Just the usual stirring

[Capt. Obvious]

186. And edit the name of the sender

Change it to ᗺravenak.

[BeanMusical]

189. Lol!

[Autumn]

195. Chapter two Capt.

[hootinholler]

204. How odd

I got nearly the same PM telling me to post it.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

208. LOL! I wonder what the next act will be...

Thom Hartmann has already been contacted, letters have been - cough! - sent, and the ClintonCave created. It should be a real whopper.

Signed,
A White Chai-Drinking Woman in a Nice Home

[davidpdx]

205. You need to alert on it and then report the hide on post #5

The longer you wait the less chance anything will be done (unfortunately I doubt Skinner will do anything to one of his brood). The person you are talking about has already been on vacation once recently for their aggressive behavior.

I have gotten PMs from certain overly aggressive Clinton supporters (not that one though) when I had never sent anything to them. My response was to tell them to tell them where to go and put them on ignore.

[City Lights]

11. Well that's an interesting email, for sure.

Thanks for posting.

[Autumn]

12. Yeah it kind of makes you go

[City Lights]

15. Indeed! nt

[Live and Learn]

136. +1 nt

[JackInGreen]

18. Quite welcome

Made myself sick sitting on it, glad to have it exposed.

[Autumn]

21. Yes, thank you Jack. It clears up a lot

[JackInGreen]

24. Thanks for the infusion of sack

Sometimes I need it.

[Autumn]

25. You did the right thing

[Aerows]

49. Damn, Jack

Wow.

[JackInGreen]

53. That was my reaction

The only response I could send was "I'm going to need time to digest this." And then fretting if it would be bannable or inappropriate to post. Glad to have it bouncing around out here instead of wracking around my own brain.

[Aerows]

54. I can understand

I wouldn't really know what to do with that one for a while, either. It's one of those you have to process!

[JackInGreen]

56. That age old question

'Did they mean to leave the pin in?' And you have to sit and think.

[cui bono]

94. That kind of shit NEEDS to be exposed.

The juror who said otherwise is completely wrong.

It confirms everything I say when I call out that poster for their irrational hatred and her exploiting a serious issue just to score political points. And all for an internet message board.

[Hiraeth]

97. do you have the jury results? would like to see the comments, thanks

[cui bono]

114. I saw them in this thread somewhere. n/t

[Hiraeth]

124. uhm, kay.

*now dives in to the Whole Thread*

[riderinthestorm]

143. I've got a similar PM but with even worse language

Peel the paint off crazy.

I'm sorry you got a hide for posting it. If I'd seen this in time I'd have put mine up in support.

I know you can't respond but just wanted to make sure I added in here in solidarity.

[kath]

185. Please post yours here,

, also please send an alert on your PM to the admins.

[Capt. Obvious]

192. People should post them in GDP

When appropriate

[kath]

196. Oh, right. Forgot this was in the Bernie group.

Where's the thunk-yourself-on-the-forehead smilie?

Or "duh" would work too!
This one works

Good idea to shine sunlight on this crap as many places as possible.

[riderinthestorm]

202. I did send an alert to the admins. Nothing was done

I'll PM you the email. I have three hides and after Jack Greens was hidden I have zero confidence my post won't be hidden as well. In fact, her PM to me was over my frustration at being alert stalked.

[beam me up scottie]

151. I'm sorry your post got hidden.

People who send nasty pms have no right to privacy, there is nothing in the tos against posting them.

I received one that was even worse and had to block that poster.

I will leave the light on for you, Jack.

[polly7]

152. I don't understand that hide at all.

Many, many pm's have been posted here with no problem. I guess it depends on whose it is.

[beam me up scottie]

153. Exactly.

It's all very Orwellian.

The "victims" have become the bullies.

[polly7]

154. All along, imo. nt.

[beam me up scottie]

155. That's true too.

Their go-to excuse is that they're in the minority here and they had to flee because they were being persecuted. But after the hatred and bigotry I've seen posted at the other site it's obvious that's not what it's for.

Nothing Bernie supporters have posted can compare to the things they've said and done.

Racist articles, anti-Semitism, associating a Jewish candidate with Stormfront and the Nazi party, lies, stalking, harassment and who knows what else.

Despicable.

I don't support Hillary but I don't hate her either and I would never attack her or her supporters like that.






*Note to jury: I'm referring to another website, not DU.

[polly7]

156. All of that bmus,

and the claim they were 'chased off' is hilarious. They needed a place they could say all the disgusting things about not only Sanders, but everyone here they've hated - as a group - the same group that's been targeting people here for years, but kept getting posts hidden for doing so.

The worst part, for me, is to see them using legitimate victims in society today - minorities, victims of war, whoever they think they can score points by using when it's beyond obvious their vitriol has nothing to do with caring about anyone or anything and is all about 'winning' at all cost.

I actually do feel sorry for anyone who feels they have to lower themselves that way ......... or maybe the term lowering doesn't apply.

I understand how people like Catherina and dorkzilla feel it's a waste of time - trying to contribute and discuss with people who see it all as a game and will stoop so low doesn't really make it feel worthwhile. I'm pissed that good people are leaving because of it.

[KoKo]

165. ...! Well said..

[Ed Suspicious]

162. And that was the poster who said she received a stalkerish type of letter through the mail.

That was supposedly from a Bernie supporter. I was always a little skeptical that it was real, at the time, but now my skepticism is through the roof.

[KoKo]

167. ...!

[hootinholler]

170. IT certainly demonstrates that manufacturing such an artifact

Is not above what they are willing to do to stir the pot.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

172. I never believed that lie for a minute. And if it was true, it wasn't illegal.

What was the claim about the "threat"? That she'd get posts locked. I think most postal investigators would laugh in your face for reporting something like that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

232. Actually no, they would not laugh

they take a report. It goes live in the back of the drawer with most low level threats. It is still treated as such. And if this starts to become a regular thing, then they dust it off.

That is the way it was explained to me. So if you actually get something, keep a log.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

234. I don't believe the story to be true, and if it is...

...then what threat was communicated? As I recall, the letter purportedly said something along the lines of "I'll keep alerting on you until you're locked out of the board"...words to that effect. I don't believe anything illegal was done in this hypothetical.

[nadinbrzezinski]

235. Due to the nature of the job

and the fact that I do receive love letters at RSD more or less regularly, when working on a story on cyberstalking I asked a member of law enforcement about this.

What I just told you is almost verbatim what he said.

Most threats do not rise to the level of being legally actionable though, due to that pesky first amendment, But if that person, notice I will not use the handle anymore... as is this is far more attention than I believe the group as a whole deserve. actually filed a report. it is living in somebody's back drawer right at the moment. I have read the letter, and I would recommend to file one. Even if it will live in the back of the drawer. It establishes a pattern if one actually exists.

To be actionable a love note pretty much has to be an obvious threat to your safety. Most stalkers know this, and will keep their loving notes just south of that line if they are that serious.

[BeanMusical]

187. "And that was the poster who said she received a stalkerish type of letter"

Letters. It has now become several letters according to what she says in the screenshot above. And I guess that she never heard about scanners so she could post pictures of these mysterious letters that she received by snail mail?

[Ed Suspicious]

188. Or a phone camera.

[BeanMusical]

190. Yep, or a webcam.

[Capt. Obvious]

193. I stand with

ᗺravenak

[AgingAmerican]

206. Ever read that 'letter'

Cartoonish at best.

It was signed something like:

Signed,

A Democratic Underground Bernie Sanders Supporter

It was obviously written by someone who does not like Sanders and is into heavy drama. The list is very short.

[beam me up scottie]

216. I doubt many believe that story anymore.

Jack did everyone a solid by posting that pm, it proves we were right about the motive all along.

Seems like trying to portray Bernie's supporters as racist stalkers was just a way to get revenge.

I feel sorry for that person, honestly.

[nadinbrzezinski]

231. I have no doubts that the person got it

my doubts is that they came from a regular here. My suspicions are more to places that have been doxing people here for YEARS... yes, we all know the site. Sadly I have far more respect for Cavers these days than I have for THAT GROUP that has exploited this. At least they do their shit in the open.

I have expanded on my reasons why a few times... even more. So I will leave at this.

What I do believe is that this has been exploited (duhhh) by people who are looking at the wrong target. Just like there is no doubt in my mind I have actually gotten love letters at my own site from DU'ers... free hint, DO NOT use your DU email address... if you do not want to make it that obviously or just to cinch it, your DU actual handle. Yeah, yeah, they know who they are.

It is to the point that I go... another day, another stalker, that IP ban it is just lovely. At this point they just get added to the do not feel the troll list though... not ever to be confused with a non existing ignore list.

[merrily]

27. Yeah, I don't take "I love Bernie but" to heart.

[JackInGreen]

32. Oh I didn't either

My first reaction was head-Ackbar screaming: it's a trap!. Then disgust at the fakeness og everything I'd seen come out of her and the rest of the H peeps, or worse that the rest were following a troll with personal beef. Its just more proof that their loudest and proudest are also likely the most false over there.

[panader0]

70. Thanks for showing us that--incredible stuff.

I wonder how that'll go over at that other site.

[roguevalley]

29. that is some sick shit

[Fawke Em]

34. So, we're both trailer trash and latte liberals living in nice houses.

Wow - seems we're a pretty big tent.

[Duckhunter935]

46. I hate latte

Sometimes the racism just has to be called out. To bad they do not like it when it is exposed.

[tazkcmo]

128. Me too, hate lattes. Like my coffee like my president: Black.

But I like trailers. My dear sainted mother died in one surrounded by her loving trailer trash children. All 5 out of 6 are strong Democrats that are voting Sanders. I remember when Sen. Sanders was respected here. *sigh*

[WorseBeforeBetter]

209. Senator Sanders is still respected here.

Loudmouth trolls haven't changed that. Or former Hillary Haters (e.g., "liar," "too stupid to be president," pandering liar&quot who are now her #1 fans.

[truebrit71]

37. That is most interesting....

That's pretty much an admission of being a troll/disruptor right there....

[Hiraeth]

38. The only person I have on ignore.

[bunnies]

43. Whoa.

WTF is going on around here?!

[darkangel218]

44. Oh my!

[Hassin Bin Sober]

57. Holy shit!!!

Well that explains a lot.

[JackInGreen]

59. Don't it though?

[Aerows]

66. It really does, doesn't it? n/t

[Capt. Obvious]

101. I broke my monacle reading that

I bet that is going to be the final chapter of the book she's going to write.

[ms liberty]

58. Not surprised to see something like this from that person.

That cave looks like an ugly place too. Think I'll have to avoid it.

[JackInGreen]

60. Bit like jurassic park

If the tour breaks down you get eaten by DINOs

[Autumn]

74. Hey Jack,

[roguevalley]

76. The question is now that they know she is

Trolling them too will they ban her or not

[BeanMusical]

194. Well, she's been very useful to them so I would say that they'll wait until she's not anymore.

[ladyVet]

149. That is hilarious! And so true. :) nt

[Ed Suspicious]

163. OMFG! Thread winner. DUzy.

[merrily]

217. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

[beam me up scottie]

218. That should be a sig line!

If I love Carl so much I'd give you the honour!

Bravo!

[arcane1]

87. I'm mostly surprised that it was spelled out. The rest was obvious from the get-go n/t

[840high]

104. I'm not surprised either.

[hootinholler]

33. There are only 769 to choose from n/t

[yardwork]

78. You both should be ashamed of yourselves.

Posting a person's real name has never been allowed here, for obvious reasons

[BeanMusical]

197. It's not his real name.

He has the URL of that sewer site in his sig line, keeps bragging that he made the site and when you're on the Main page that pseudonym is right there. He's not as clever as he thinks he is but he's not stupid enough to put his real name in plain view while knowing that many DUers will go there.

[yardwork]

68. Is that a poster's real name? If so, that's really not cool.

Don't post a DUer's actual name here. It's dangerous, and it's against the rules. Please delete your post.

If you're angry with a poster, take it up with them. Don't post their real name here.

[yardwork]

77. Ok, this is a really nasty game.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

9. 'their hideous views'...

Says it all, really. Wanting American workers to have jobs that pay enough to live on, rich people to be taxed more, universal healthcare (not insurance, CARE), cops to quit killing and beating up people, an end to the government spying on all of us, switching from fossil fuels to renewables, and an end to ever-growing numbers of wars and extrajudicial murders via drones are 'hideous views' to them.

[Enthusiast]

28. +1 a whole bunch!

[Fuddnik]

48. Why that's absolutely hideous!!!!

"The most unheard thing I ever heard of".
Bullwinkle.

[Art_from_Ark]

207. I think it was actually King Leonardo who had that stock phrase

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/KingLeonardoAndHisShortSubjects

[cui bono]

113. +1,000,000

[raouldukelives]

159. If it's bad for multi-national corporations, it's bad for them. Simple enough.

Nothing makes money like bankrolling republicans and conservatives. They don't really care about anything but personal enrichment off the backs and the muted protestations of the least.

[beerandjesus]

13. I honestly think they don't give a shit about issues.

They are consistently useless when you ask for ANYTHING substantive. It's a team sport to them; they sit back, comfortable and secure, and everyone who cares about making America a better country can fuck off while they root for their team. And they have the gall to call US "entitled".

[marym625]

14. I thought we were all rich white, straight males.

So hard to keep up! They're like little spin doctors.

[jwirr]

16. This does not reflect well on them. I guess they think this is

going to win them the election. Wrong. It is getting more and more that lot of people living in our very expensive cities would be happy for a trailer to live in. They insult more people than they think.

[TalkingDog]

20. Technically not racist. It doesn't make sweeping generalizations based on race.

It is, however, classist, bigoted, and prejudiced. Bigot is the only term that comes close to the emotional punch of racist, so that might be the term to use.

As a person who grew up in a trailer, with relatives who would definitely fit the Jerry Springer archetype, I don't like seeing that term used either. But sloppy language leads to sloppy thinking. Or...vice versa.

#Sanders2016

[yuiyoshida]

23. That message...

Talk about a B R O A D B R U S H ....smh.

[Major Hogwash]

85. No kidding.

Not very open minded, to be sure.

[lame54]

31. I don't think it qualifies...

but this guy is a complete moron

[stupidicus]

35. they are legends in their own behinds

which figuratively explains the composition of most of what they compose and post

[sulphurdunn]

36. When using the pejorative 'trailer trash,'

there is no need to preface it with the word 'white.' The racial reference is understood. Where I live it's use is considered fighting words, and that's when whites use it on each other. I can't imagine what would happen if a non-white said it publicly, but it wouldn't be pretty.

[hootinholler]

41. Yep

The implications are very racist in that trailer trash should know enough to not act like...

I've been on the receiving end of that one more than once.

[Mnpaul]

140. I never saw it like that

I see the term referring to one particular resident not the group as a whole. I lived in several and there always seemed to be one trouble maker. Trailer Park Boys represents the worst case scenario. I guess the term is treated differently in different parts of the country.

[Hiraeth]

39. Not so much racist as -bigoted- and small spirited.

I think I have seen people on here get a hide for using the term. I could be wrong and, am willing to stand corrected.

[Duckhunter935]

47. Except when they

Introduced race into it, then it becomes racist.

[Hiraeth]

51. I don't think it works that way. By definition. Calling white people white is not like

calling a black person the N word. Calling black people black is okay and the preferred terminology where I live. The blacks I know do not care for the term: People of Color/PoC. I have had to learn that here on DU. I try to use it here out of respect for it seems to be the preferred term of the AAs on here. which also AA is not the preferred term with the blacks I associate with in real life. I have been told straight up they are not from Africa they are full-fledged Americans, thank you very much.

Anyway, from what I understand there is no such thing as reverse racism which is possibly (I presume) what you are trying to imply/infer.

I am pretty sure the person in the OP is a white, gay, man.

Someone can explain all this better than me, I am sure but, I think I have the gist of it all here in DU world.

[TM99]

92. No, it is definitely racist.

Not all PoC believe the same things.

As a bi-racial man, I have experienced individual racism by both blacks and whites as well as suffering from institutional racism in this culture as a PoC.

There are those that want to redefine terms to suit their own agendas and perspectives. They are incorrect in their usage, and it gives some a free pass to spew venomous rage at those who don't deserve it.

[Hiraeth]

93. ? calling a white person white is racist ?

Not all PoC believe the same things.

you're telling me. no shit.

[TM99]

95. Others in that thread who agreed

that are PoC and have done so here are what I was referring to.

But hey next time, read the posts in context instead of diving in half cocked.

[Hiraeth]

96. what thread? this thread? my post was tailor made specific to the person I replied to IN THIS THREAD

YOU are the one who jumped in.

excuse me.

[TM99]

98. Look.

You stated that blacks can't be racist to whites and that this was taught to you by DU blacks.

As a bi-racial, I disagreed. Get it now?

[Hiraeth]

99. thank you for clarifying and I agree with you but, to keep the peace on DU I have found it best

for me to keep quiet and LISTEN when the more vocal blacks on DU be doing the talking.

So, Basically ... I don't say much of anything about it.

Also, in real life, there are some blacks that I don't talk, just listen. yanno.

truth is --- there are also some whites that I avoid altogether.

I am also of mixed blood but, only 1/16th black and it is all kinda hush-hush family wise, whatever.
think this melungeon(sp?) term is what I really am.

Raised white and mainly look white, so I don't push my bloodline.

[TM99]

100. No problem.

I don't get into with too many either.

[Scootaloo]

108. "White trash" is a layered slur

And unlike many other anti-white slurs, this one is a "punching down" slur, used by whites against other (usually poorer) whites. The implication of "white trash" is that the target is "basically a n****r," though the sentiment can be molded and shaped according to who the local scapegoat demographic is. it's a classist slur with severe racial connotations thrown at white people as a means of 'de-whiting' them, by racist white people.

[hootinholler]

117. One of the best explanations I've heard

The only thing I disagree with is the implication that the target is basically, rather I've always found it to mean that n*** are better than the target.

Also it's a not so thinly veiled dog whistle.

[Scootaloo]

118. I grew up with it in my ears.

Because I am "trailer park white trash." I grew up in an array of mobile home parks in Mobile, AL. Chronic, generational poverty, it's an all-american way of life!

[hootinholler]

119. Me too

In the Appalachian bits of SW Pa.

I had a friend who lived in an old school bus with a little pot belly for heat.

[Hiraeth]

121. I guess. See, I am one of those that words don't bother me.

Call me anything just don't call me late for supper.

something something about intersectionality and classism goes here, I think.

But, you see the really ironic thing in all this for me, is the ones who around here who were doing all the preaching are the same ones who are doing all this nasty stuff.

For me their actions are far louder than their words.

Always been that way for me. ActionGirl.

[Scootaloo]

122. Oh, doesn't bother me, either. Like I said, I came from that.

and it's like... whatever. Yeah, I grew up Joe Dirt Junior and shit.

That doesn't make it less of a slur.And it reveals an awful lot about hte shit-bucket who decided to throw it out there against people supporting a Democratic candidate for president. Vastly more than he thought he was saying about them, that's for sure.

[Hiraeth]

123. exactly!! please re-read my post I just edited it and added to it.

[Hiraeth]

220. Amen to that.

[sabrina 1]

148. Doesn't bother me either. Just confirms where all the nastiness is coming from.

Ironically they are the ones who are constantly screaming about that. It's funny actually, but good to have confirmation since that same person constantly claims that that awful site is without any kind of nastiness like that. Just hilarious!

[Hassin Bin Sober]

134. Yep. That's the way I always understood it.

The idea is that black people are "trash" and calling someone "white trash" is putting that person on the same level.

[Live and Learn]

137. +1000 nt

[Duckhunter935]

111. Yes it by the use of that in the way it was

Just substitute the word "black" and see how long it lasts before rightfully being alerted on and hidden.

[Hiraeth]

125. meh. point taken, I guess. Gets kinda confusing to me especially since the one

who wrote that PM to Jack is one of the loudest supposedly most knowledgeable person about racism on DU. *rolling eyes*

Don't mind me if I am taking it all with a grain of salt.

I live and work in a very multi-cultural environment and a lot of what I read on DU just does NOT translate that well in real life.

[Duckhunter935]

127. Tell me about it

20 plus years in the army, I have experienced many cultures and ethnicities.

[CharlotteVale]

40. Whoa. That is just freaky. Reminds me of posters on fan boards

who go to war with fans of other characters/celebs.

[Maedhros]

81. That's exactly what it is - celebrity hero worship.

They support a personality, not a political ideology.

[TIME TO PANIC]

42. They're Classist!!!

There is a class-war, and they are on the wrong side of it!

[MynameisBlarney]

52. Juuuust a bit of projection on that dudes part

[Depaysement]

55. It's about time someone pointed this out

Plus, it is snobbish, elitist bullshit. People who use it squarely on the wrong side of the class struggle, like the white "progressive" assholes in Britain you use the word "chav" to describe working class whites.

[haikugal]

226. What does it mean..."Chav"

[Depaysement]

236. Derogatory word

English slang for white working class. Chavs is also a book by British author Owen Jones. It's really excellent.

[haikugal]

237. Thanks..

I was hoping for the entomology of the word, if possible.

Thanks for the recommendation on the book..

[Depaysement]

240. Google can be your friend - see below

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav

[haikugal]

241. Yes of course...

No harm done, yes?

I thought you had first hand knowledge...

Thanks again.

[hueymahl]

61. As one coming from a family with plenty of "white trailer trash" in the family tree

I disagree. I find it quite descriptive, actually.

[merrily]

62. Really? Because no people who live in trailers who are not white ever exhibit any of the behaviors

that a term like "trash" is intended to convey? On what do you base that?

[Autumn]

75. That attitude and that entitlement that a person feels they can say that about people

is what needs to change. That's a republican stance, not a Democrats.

[Live and Learn]

138. What? Being poor? Living in a trailer? Or being 'trash'?

Sorry but I don't think anyone needs to change because some bigot thinks they are above others.

Calling people 'trash' or making fun of where they live or their income is totally disgusting.

[Major Hogwash]

64. Wow, that is not just racist, that is psychotic.

Clearly, he thinks everyone who supports Bernie is white.
And poor.
But, to use a broad brush that way and say that everyone who supports Bernie is a poor, uneducated white, so-called "trailer trash", is delusional.

[zalinda]

65. The line that got to me is

"They are a bunch of ignorant white trailer trash idiots that don't give a shit about Social issues." Social issues? Bernie has been in the forefront of social issues, and hasn't had to evolve to the correct viewpoint.

I can't begin to understand this hatred.

Z

[dembotoz]

67. please remember we all have to work together after the primaries and this does not help

ok group hugs.....



a split dem party will be a voted out dem party......

as for white trailer trash....well i have been called that many time by the thugs
on facebook...kind of a medal of honor for me now...

white....its getting cold here in wisconsin....by February i will look pretty damn close to albino.
trailer.... yep got a vacation trailer at a resort area...love it been camping some 60 years now
trash....do i identify with the poor more than the gop>???? I SURE AS FUCK HOPE SO

White trailer trash....may i always be so

[Ed Suspicious]

164. Yes, please, we need to be better victims, for the good of the party.

[Bluenorthwest]

71. In this week of refugee awareness, let's just agree that no human being is trash. Can we do that?

Trash? Really? Human beings as trash. This is how the world got fucked up in the first place. I find that sort of language to be despicable on many levels. People are not trash. The end.

[ms liberty]

131. This. Thank you, Bluenorthwest. n/t

[merrily]

79. Some posters believe that African Americans cannot be racist and have posted articles to that effect

I don't agree. I think almost every time anyone categorize people by skin color or race to say something negative about the behavior of all (even most) people of that skin color, your statement is stereotyping and racist. I also understand that some think my prior sentence is racist as well, making it a closed circle: Certain groups cannot possible be racist and anyone who disagree with that is racist. Hence, this is a self contained world in which only people who are not African American can be racist. I don't believe that and if that believe makes me racist in some eyes, I can't help that.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tautology_%28logic%29

rac·ist
ˈrāsəst/
noun
noun: racist; plural noun: racists

1.
a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
synonyms: racial bigot, racialist, xenophobe, chauvinist, supremacist More
"he was exposed as a racist"
(racially) discriminatory, racialist, prejudiced, bigoted
"a racist society"

adjective
noun: racist; plural noun: racists; adjective: racist

1.
having or showing the belief that a particular race is superior to another.
"we are investigating complaints about racist abuse at the club"

[Prism]

80. There's homophobia as well

The defenses of DOMA aside, one prominent Clinton supporter said LGBTers don't have it so bad because we can pass for straight if we want.

So, you know, that's very social justice conscious.

Mix in with the anti-semitic stuff, and I just don't take them seriously at all. Weaponizing social justice for the purpose of internet slap fights tells me the person doing so just doesn't care much in a genuine way.

A lot of posters over there have more or less announced their only purpose on DU at this point is to troll. I don't know why anyone gives the lot over yonder the time of day. They're bored, childish people.

[Autumn]

83. I ignore their Ops here. I have nothing in common with them.The problem I have is with people

who pretend to support one side just so they can trash the other. There's a word for that.

[Puglover]

84. Nailed it.

"Bored and childish."

[Major Hogwash]

86. [phone]

I totally agree, 100%.

[arcane1]

88. Add a dash of thriving on attention for attention's sake, and you have it nailed.

[historylovr]

91. Bless his heart.

[valerief]

103. It's not racist, because whites aren't an oppressed group by another race.

It's just a garden variety insult.

[TM99]

106. There is institutional racism

and there is individual racism.

One does not negate the other.

[valerief]

107. No, there's only systemic racism and people's behavior that stems

from it. Only the race in power can inflict oppression on the race/s not in power. Racism is a system perpetuated by the PTB and individual people are manipulated by it. It is a tool of oppression in the Divide and Conquer strategy.

[TM99]

109. Nope.

There are three major types of racism - individualized or personally mediated, internalized, and institutionalized. What you are calling systemic is just another name for the later. The other two exist as well and always have. You may choose to ignore the former two, but I do not having experienced all three as a bi-racial man.

[valerief]

110. Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. Your first two labels, to me, are behavioral results of the

brainwashing done by systemic/institutionalized racism. People who carry out the racism instituted by the PTB are both victims of racism and perpetrators of it. People who don't squelch racism are both victims and enablers of it.

But it's too big for individual people to quash. The PTB own our collective minds (via media) and can either nurture or kill racism. They make it live or die, and they're feeding it like a champ now. Racism is theirs. And the PTB is white. For now.

[TM99]

115. Then yes, we disagree.

Your dismissal of the first two tells me you have not lived in other cultures.

[Kalidurga]

251. No kidding

my family is a cultural melting pot if you will. Family reunions are interesting to say the least.

[darkangel218]

116. K&R!

[sabrina 1]

120. Wow, that is some nasty, bigoted, and so WRONG garbage. I suppose it's good to have

people's initial opinions of that nasty place confirmed, but we could do without that kind of sad, vicious divisive garbage in OUR PARTY.

Sickening!

[Capt. Obvious]

130. This thread was alerted

> > > ALERT INFORMATION
> > >
> > > -- Sent by: a person who is a topic in this thread
> > > -- Reason: This discussion thread violates the Statement of Purpose for this forum.
> > > -- Alerter's comments: This op and the entire thread is a call out against people who cannot post in this group. If you want DU cleaned up, hide this crazy stuff. It exists only to fuel fires and fan flames. No other group is posting call outs of members freely except this group. If the members of any other forum did this it would be locked or hidden. This is just drama drama drama.

[beam me up scottie]

150. The irony is unbelievable.

When all certain people do is troll and launch attacks on others from a protected group and off-site forum they have no right to complain about anything said in this group.

This thread has been very enlightening.

[Autumn]

168. It reads like she was attempting to send an alert to a jury.

I had to laugh at the irony of her alert message.

This op and the entire thread is a call out against people who cannot post in this group.

[MisterP]

215. the ones who asked to be blocked?

[Autumn]

219. She is blocked from the group, she was rude and she hates Bernie so yeah people

lik that get blocked. She posts at the place where the screenshot in the OP came from. A place where they say things about Bernie supporters in a place where they can't respond. When you consider what she said in her alert as a reason why it should be locked it's rather ironic and hypocritical.

[BeanMusical]

221. "ironic and hypocritical"

You can say that again. Unbelievable.

[in_cog_ni_to]

132. wow. Talk about hate-filled! That's them though.

And I agree, it's a racist remark, but consider the source. I remember when he first joined DU. He use to be a really sweet guy! It's hard to believe all the hate he spews now. Must be influenced by the people he hangs with...they're all real pieces of work. Every last one of them.

[Bernin4U]

133. "the Democratic party was nice enough to let him run"

Just curious, does ANYONE (regardless of whom they're planning to vote for) believe that HRC would have a prayer of winning the general, if Bernie had chosen to run as an Independent?

At least the DNC weren't clueless enough to recognize this, even if many of their members seem to be.

Of course, it will be quite interesting to see how much the DNC's limiting of Bernie and MOM strictly as token candidates turns out to bite it in the ass, should things go that way.

[senz]

211. Interesting, I hadn't thought about it that way.

I know he thought long and hard about an Independent vs. Democratic candidacy, with pros and cons for each, and finally made his decision to avoid being a spoiler a la Ralph Nader.

I doubt he could have guessed how hostile the DWS/Third Way would be toward his candidacy and how hard they would try to cripple his campaign. I also doubt he had any idea how strongly and immediately his speeches would attract huge crowds of like-minded Americans.

But he surely knows the politics of D.C. better than we do, so he must have known the current makeup of the DNC.

It's interesting to think about.

[eridani]

146. I partly disagree with that--I think it's more classist than racist

What is being made fun of is poverty, not white skin. The assumption being that if you are not hobbled by institutional racism and are still poor, then it must really, really be your fault. See all the "toothless" references also--purely poverty put-downs.

[senz]

212. I heard those sorts of comments

while growing up and they always jarred me, primarily for their superficiality and shallowness, but it took some living and hurting to realize how utterly cruel they are. People are toothless because they are so poor that dental care is a luxury they can't afford. People live in small, run-down dwellings because they don't have the resources (money, strength, health, hope) to change their situation. They are doing the best they can under difficult circumstances. To scorn them because one's own situation happens to be better than theirs is blind and cruel.

This is what Bernie knows. This is what (religion warning) Pope Francis knows. This is what (Jesus warning) Jesus knew. This is also what the Buddha saw as a young man, and it changed his life. Because this is a fundamental truth that all human beings should know and that everyone should teach their children -- and their Republican friends.

This is also why we need some good old-fashioned Democratic Socialism in the U.S. of A.

[rogerashton]

157. No, I don't think it is necessarily racist.

When we say "racist" we are implying that it is an expression of white supremacism, or equivalent to white supremacism when it comes from a nonwhite person. But this is a false equivalency -- the expression used is vile ("trash" is something to be burnt) and expresses prejudice based on skin color and, as Eridani notes, is expressive also of class privilege and prejudice. But that does not make it equivalent to white supremacism, in that there is no nonwhite KKK or NAZI party, and yes, BLACK LIVES MATTER! And those lives are endangered in ways that white lives are not. All in all, I'd rather be insulted than assassinated.

However, the terms "white trash" and "trailer trash" are often used by white people against other white people, and when they are, they are expressive of white supremacism. The mindset that comes with these phrases is that it is natural and proper for nonwhites to be poor and have chaotic lives, but that for a white person to be poor and wild is unnatural. "Ain't nuthin worse than white trash."

I wouldn't think that POC would want to associate themselves with that sentiment; but, of course, I can't presume to speak for POC.

[TBF]

161. Wow.

Good luck with your election, third-way dems. You have forgotten your labor history because you never knew it to begin with. I guess the party needs to crash and burn, and then rebuild. I am committed to rebuilding with others of true leftist perspective. You will find me here occasionally, in the Socialist Progressives Group, and on Twitter (tried Reddit but couldn't get the hang of it - but that is where you'll find the kids).

Solidarity.

[wendylaroux]

198. this is what the mean kids

would call my daughter on the school bus.We lived in a trailer until she was 9.

Made her feel like she was less than others.

This "bill" pos,is a bully,along with the posters on his site.

These people feel so shitty about themselves,they want you to feel the same way.

Hope they are having fun in that cesspool,cause they deserve it.
















Lived around these types all my life.

[polly7]

199. We didn't have a lot of money, but we were ok ..

My neighbour however, had nothing. No running water, no new clothes ever, if she'd lived in a trailer she'd have been better off than living in the shed type thing they did. Every day of her life at school was torture, from the time she got on the bus. I'll never forget how they bullied her and am surprised she is doing as well as she is, today. Alone and never married, very, very shy ... but working and supporting herself and a good friend. That kind of classist attitude is just typical of people who lack empathy, period, imo .... those are people I wouldn't be able to show an ounce of respect to in real life.

[wendylaroux]

200. Seems like people who were poor ARE nicer.

and aren't people who lack empathy called psychopaths?

[polly7]

203. I lived with one for way too long, he definitely didn't have an ounce of it

and was a psychopath. I can't say that most people with no empathy are psychopaths, but having none sure helps explain the pure meanness and cruelty some seem to live for and get their laughs from. It would be a horrible way to live.

[senz]

213. Re upsetting behaviors

I was baffled by a difficult relative until I encountered information along these lines and then it began to make sense.

http://thenarcissistatwork.com/2012/10/narcissistic-supply-is-more-addictive-than-heroin/

fwiw

[appalachiablue]

224. That article is very informative and applies to a few I've been around. They're lethal.

[senz]

225. They can be, especially if they have any power over a person

like family or supervisor/employer. Psychologists recommend getting away. It's part of what they call the "dark triad," although they haven't nailed down all the traits, causes, etc. And of course we have to be careful about unfairly diagnosing acquaintances. I think a good rule of thumb is to go with your gut.

[haikugal]

227. I've always viewed them as psychic vampires.

Meaning they attach themselves to your solar plexus and drain you. It was a way to describe what being in a "relationship" with one felt like.

Thanks for the article Senz.

[Puglover]

244. Narcissism can also be supplied from pretend

pals that high five you on a website. The fact that anyone would get their jollies from that is beyond pitiful.

I stopped taking any of them seriously a long time ago.

Very good article.

[nadinbrzezinski]

222. Look I will say it, my irony meter broke a while ago

we have people (some white mind you, and some same WHITE people explaining to us what it is to be a minority as if they were black) screaming over how the AA are treated on this site, but they shit on AA they do not like, as well as other minorities. And the same people have discussions on whether a self identified Latina immigrant from Mexico who happens to be Jewish qualifies as a minority, let alone a PoC. Yes you idiots, under the twisted definitions of race in this country it is NOT just melanin content. I know, I know, somebody has to say it.

There is a word on the tip of my tongue I am looking for, it starts with an R and it is not Republican.

And when a tad of light is shined, they shut it down by alert stalking (yes Skinner it is real, I don't care what you say and quite a bit of it goes beyond the boundaries of THIS SITE now, a been swatting trolls and stalkers over the last 24 hours... I love thee IP ban), and closing down discussion here as meta or 'thing. They do not want to have exposure so they will keep using the tools to do it, because I would personally be embarrassed to be thought off as well, racist.

And I will not be shocked in the least if they alert this post. That is how they roll. Hell, I will not be shocked if they find a friendly jury to boot. Again, that is the way they roll.

As to that screen shot., I got it too, in my drive. For whenever they go but we never said that. BULLSHIT! They have. They know they could not get away with it HERE though, maybe. So they do not roll them fucking dice here.

[haikugal]

228. It's always good to hear your voice here Nadin!

[nadinbrzezinski]

229. Well I expect to get a vaca anyway

targeted alerts are real.

So I will "enjoy" it as long as I can. But there is a group of people who basically do not exist as far as I am concerned. I don't exchange pleasantries with those types.

[Zorra]

230. I highly recommend putting Third Way, and other conservative types, on ignore.

Seriously, why even bother?

[nadinbrzezinski]

233. I recommend NOT engaging them, even for the time of day

Ok I will make an exception for serious illness or death in the family.

But do not put them on ignore. If you do, they get much, much, much worst. Take my word on this, I speak from experience.

[Zorra]

238. Why should I care? What has any conservative got to say that I didn't

hear 50 years ago? That I don't already know that they are going to say?

Meh. Same shit, different day, nadin. Don't let them grind you down, because they will surely try to do so.

[nadinbrzezinski]

243. They try

but I will never again put them on ignore, because that crew gets 100 times as worst and then GOOD PEOPLE feel they need to interact with them and call them out.

[LiberalArkie]

242. It really is not worth the effort. It ends up making for a hateful exchange and

Bernie gets another black eye when people read it on Google.

[awoke_in_2003]

245. While it may be insulting

it isn't racist. Racism is more than words, it is the systematic oppression of a people. How are people systematically oppressing white people?

[Autumn]

246. Kick

[Autumn]

247. Kick

[Autumn]

248. Kick, for all the wonderful "Weapons grade hypocrisy".

[hootinholler]

249. I disagree

It does however demonstrate it here.

[Autumn]

250. Hoot you know this time of day I'm just ass backwards

I'll fix it

[Autumn]

252. Kick

[Autumn]

253. .

[Autumn]

254. Kick