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[darkangel218]

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[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

1. I'll continue to donate as I can, to talk to people I meet about him, try to get him elected...

but I just don't do the 'faith' or 'have his back' or any of that other stuff for any politician, even those I mostly agree with. I'm interested in policy and outcomes, not personalities, even ones I find engaging.

[darkangel218]

2. I disagree with the last part of your post. Personalities do matter. His record of being honest

and not caring to get rich off politics is huge to me.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

3. I don't consider his record to be 'personality'.

And I certainly understand that 'personality' is a huge factor with many voters. I still find it distasteful to see people treating any politician as a sort of 'saviour', rather than a potential job hire you expect to do good quality work for you. We hire politicians to work for us, not to be rock stars or religious figures.

[darkangel218]

8. Deleted my other post because you were literally putting words in my mouth.

"We hire politicians to work for us, not to be rock stars or religious figures." He was never a "rock star". Was he one?? Did he claim to be a "rock star"? And about religious figures?.. having faith someone will do the job doesn't make it a religious thing. Not by far!



I really don't care what you think , tbh. I am EXCITED about Bernie, and others are too, hopefully. Nothing anyone can say can change that , for me at least.

[chev52]

4. Bernie's net worth

I've seen his net worth reported from $330 - 479 thousand. Not much in today's money. Finally, a candidate who doesn't take corporate donations or have money as his/her primary aim in life.

[hootinholler]

5. We also have to seek out the non voter

get them registered as a D so they can vote for Bernie.

[darkangel218]

7. YES!!!

Because so many have lost faith in politics! Many are just so jaded that they wont even bother to find out who Bernie is and what he stands for. And now that the msm already "chose" their candidate, its our job to spread the message. We just have to keep focused and don't give up!!

[aspirant]

9. Don't forget the wobbly HRC voters

and the Populist disgusted Independent voters.

It seems like Bernie is doing well with the Millennials

[msongs]

10. the last new messiah turned out to be a closet republican. instead of faith, rely on the record and

actual behavior. bernie seems to be ok on the actual behavior versus his words

[darkangel218]

11. His record is what I rely my faith on. Not speeches.

He is no messiah, he is one of us, and we desperately need him to win!

We have have had enough of corporatists and liars. He is different, like you said, his record speaks for itself!

That was the point of my OP.

[smokey nj]

20. You are trolling a safe haven for supporters of Bernie Sanders.

[Lancero]

89. I think you gave someone a sad - 0-7 Leave

On Wed May 20, 2015, 09:06 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

You are trolling a safe haven for supporters of Bernie Sanders.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=7700

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Abusive post-stalking of people who do NOT violate the SOP in anyway. This host is out of control. Intact the person they are responding to SUPPORTED Bernie!

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed May 20, 2015, 09:18 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Very lame alert. Grow up.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: One post is trolling and post-stalking? Okay. My suggestion, contact a host from the group and have them blocked or ask them to self delete. Yet DO NOT SEND FOOLISH ALERTS!
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Someone says that President Obama is a Republican, and gets called out for it, and it's the person who called them on their trollish comments that is the troll?

Hmm, I wonder who could have done this alert...

[smokey nj]

90. I know who it is, they have it in for me.

[darkangel218]

13. This group is a safe heaven for Bernie Sanders supporters.

Please respect that.

[F4lconF16]

14. Of course.

Latest page, first time I've done that. Self-deleting.

[DrBulldog]

15. i have finally read Bernie's many forceful and direct positions and political biography . . .

... and up to now I had also passively resigned myself to voting for the "default" Hillary (after all, the choice these days always seems to be between a wimp and a wacko).

But now I will be enthusiastically supporting and voting for Bernie as long as he remains in the running for the Democratic candidacy. He simply towers above Hillary in political progressive thinking and political communication with the middle class. And all through the years he voted on the side of history EVERY SINGLE DAMN TIME. He is the one single candidate who can truthfully say to us, "I have nothing to regret." Go Bernie!

[sabrina 1]

16. Excellent, that is how a lot of people seem to be reacting, even some who had left the Dem party

who are now returning so they can vote for Bernie.

It's his long record of consistency on the issues, his refusal to become beholden to corporate money that impresses me and for the first time in a long time, I feel very enthusiastic about a candidate.

And all through the years he voted on the side of history EVERY SINGLE DAMN TIME. He is the one single candidate who can truthfully say to us, "I have nothing to regret." Go Bernie!

Exactly! His record is impressive.

[BrotherIvan]

95. That is very good news

Now is the time that we need to be spreading that exact information. Because many people feel left behind and not represented. I see a lot of people saying they are excited to vote for a principled, honest person.

[Dont call me Shirley]

17. K & R x 1,000,000

[NorthCarolina]

18. It will not be an easy fight, but it is a necessary fight. eom

[Thor_MN]

19. Anything that requires a "Faith Based" system is crap.

If it can't support itself based on evidence, it shouldn't be supported based on "faith".

Absolutes are rarely correct, as only one exception topples them.

Not saying that people shouldn't support the candidate of their choice, just that they should do it for a reason that doesn't need "faith"

[darkangel218]

21. Are you a Bernie Sanders supporter?

[Thor_MN]

22. Irrelevent. No one deserves mindless "Faith Based" support.

I support the Democratic candidate. Way too early to pick sides. Check back after there have been a few debates.

[darkangel218]

23. You are in Barnie Sanders group.

Please delete.

[Thor_MN]

24. I don't know who Barnie Sanders is.

And Barnie doesn't deserve mindless faith based support.

Bernie either. Hillary, anyone else who choices to run, the entire GOP clown car, none of them deserve to be supported mindlessly.

[darkangel218]

25. Bernie is not being supported "mindlessly".

I suggest you delete. We have group hosts.

[Thor_MN]

26. I'm not speak about Bernie. I'm speaking against "faith".

If you feel that violates the group charter, report it.

If Bernie is the nominee, you bet your ass I will support him.

But it will not be because of "faith". It will be because of what he is and has done.

[darkangel218]

27. You said you dont even know who Bernie is

Why are you posting negative shit in a safe heaven?? Pretending you are not speaking about the OP? Delete please.

[Thor_MN]

30. No, if one reads carefully, I said I don't know who Barnie is.

You typoed his name, I assume. Either that or there is a Barnie Sanders and this isn't his group.

[darkangel218]

32. The group's name is stated clearly on the top.

Are you really going to blame typos for your attacks???

Mods, please take care of this. He/She is blaming his posts on the "typos".

[Thor_MN]

35. And your assumed typo was cleary stated in your subject line.

I'm sorry that you take offense at my opinion that there are no candidates that deserve faith based support, but the group is not about you.

Bernie is a great guy, I listen to him just about every week on the radio. If he is the nominee, he has my full support. But I'll explain it again, it won't be because of a call for mindless faith, it will be based on what he has done.

[smokey nj]

53. I think your the only reason you posted in this thread was to harass and antagonize

darkangel. If you have issues with her in other DU groups or forums, please keep them there - don't bring that crap here.

[Thor_MN]

57. I expressed an opinion on faith. Everything else has been respondes to attacks on me.

by the original poster (who I don't know, so the notion that I am harassing is ridiculous) or apparently faithful devotees.

This isn't a group on faith, so who is bringing crap?

[smokey nj]

64. You are. You've done nothing but disrupt.

[Autumn]

29. Please keep in mind you are in a protected group, a safe haven for supporters of Bernie Banders

I do agree that no politician deserves mindless faith based support. But our member do deserve respectful discussions in their group.

[Thor_MN]

31. Is it a safe haven for FAITH?

I haven't said one thing negative about Bernie.

[darkangel218]

33. Just delete and leave us alone. This is not cool.

[Autumn]

34. i didn't say you did say anything negative about Bernie. I SAID

you are in a safe haven group for supporters of Bernie Sanders and you should be respectful of the members.

[peacebird]

84. You don't know who Bernie is? Really? Why are you posting in the Bernie Sanders group then?

You are not asking about him, just dissing our faith in him- and by "our" I mean those of us who care enough to actually research candidates, their records, and what they stand for.

[aspirant]

38. Is it mindless faith

to believe in a mythical character named Thor and use its name to continue your faithful belief?

[darkangel218]

40. Psst!!!

Thor is more real , to some!

[Thor_MN]

54. Who said I have faithful belief in anything?

Do you breath loudly? Is a Darth Vader rasp the source of your screen name? <-- mindless questions since you broached the topic.

[aspirant]

58. I said it

I'm not on the Big Screen so there's no need for a raspy name

Mindless questions; Where do questions come from if not from the mind?

[Thor_MN]

61. Bannanna dandelion rabbit purple.

[aspirant]

66. That's not the thinking mind

that's just your memory of words.

[aspirant]

43. Not irrevalent

Last edited Wed May 20, 2015, 05:12 PM - Edit history (1)

The SoP says clearly Bernie Supporters

If your undecided and looking for info, OK

If you criticize why some of Bernie's supporters support Bernie, then it is time to move along

If faith is not your bag, good then respect others opinions

[Thor_MN]

51. Ironic that you would mention respecting others opinions.

Anyone can support anyone for whatever reasons they choose. And I can have an opinion of what ever I choose.

[aspirant]

68. Just keep that opinion to yourself

if it isn't respectful in a safe haven.

You seem to have problems knowing when to voice your opinion and when not to (remember all your RW thoughts)

[Kali]

36. I agree.

rational thought and ethics are what appeals to me as far as Bernie Sanders is concerned. Faith in some savior is a set-up for failure.

beware of irrational thought and behavior.

[Autumn]

41. Ignore it.

[Autumn]

48. I'm aware of what's going on

Anyone wants to disrupt and troll our group they will be blocked.

[aspirant]

46. If you ignore

they will be back and the next time with added confidence

[darkangel218]

42. Hello??

Are you going to explain yourself? Or are you here to disrupt?

[Autumn]

45. No one in here has faith in Bernie as a savior. Don't bring your squabbles in here.

[Kali]

50. Are you sure about that?

I think we are in agreement on the principle, anyway.

I was one of the first to see this group after it was created and "join" as it were, so I do hope I am included in the protective umbrella of safe haven for members.

[Autumn]

52. I'm positive and anyone is included in the protective umbrella of safe haven for members.

As long as they remain respectful of all our members and Bernie.

[Kali]

55. then we should be cool.

[Autumn]

56. We should be.

[aspirant]

72. Do you have faith in yourself?

[aspirant]

47. How many reasons

are allowed for supporting Bernie? Is it finite or infinite?

[Kali]

63. I am not sure what you are asking.

My agreement with that post goes to seeing "faith" as an excuse not to work. When one only has faith in some politician or other leader, one tends to assume they will carry the main burden of whatever needs doing.

Work is hitting the pavement or phones and getting other people involved, building a movement that has influence and will sustain the person being backed in their endeavors to accomplish shared goals.

Faith to often leads to disappointment, because who can live up to fantasy-based standards?

I think we see plenty of examples of that with the current administration. Way too many people were operating on faith instead of reality.

I am not saying that is a bar to supporting the candidate or to participating, just that it can be a weak basis to work from.

[darkangel218]

65. STOP replying to me!!

You are here only to disrupt!! Why haven't you ever posted in this group, until now??? You have attacked my job, my bf, my private life, time and time again! Go get help!!! http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6626337
Leave me alone, and stop pretending you care about Bernie, when you never posted about him before!!

LEAVE US ALONE!

[Kali]

67. calm down

I did not reply to you at all until now. I have as much right to post here as anyone. Are you seriously trying to say I can't?

[darkangel218]

69. How come your first post here was attacking me? is that a coicidence??

After this???http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6626337

Stop pretending, no one believes you. The hosts know what you're up to.

[Puglover]

70. As a host I would suggest the ignore function.

You have no way of know whether or not Kali "cares' about Bernie unless you have links that prove otherwise.

Please leave past squabbles out of this group.

Thank you Darkangel.

[aspirant]

74. How many faithful supporters does Bernie have?

Start counting at 1 (ME) and continue on.

This poster says having faith makes you a lazy supporter, depending on others.

Is that the BELIEF of this group? How is this motivating for our group members?

If you have a poster trying to divide us into rational vs faithful supporters causing friction amongst us, how in the world does this help in electing Bernie?

[darkangel218]

76. I didnt started it, she did. nt

[Puglover]

78. You know what? I wasn't scolding.

However when someone is obviously baiting me I just ignore them.

I know you support Bernie Darkangel. But arguing semantics especially with someone you believe is trying to goad you is a waste of time IMHO.

[darkangel218]

80. Good point. nt

[peacebird]

82. I have read all posts preceeding this, not sure where you are coming from? Who posted "faith"?

Was it simply the title of having Faith in Bernie? If so, I have a bucket list for you.... After all this IS the Bernie Sanders group

[TheNutcracker]

28. All independently say, "someone they can finally believe in!"

And, Bernie makes me *want* to vote!

[leftofkant]

37. It's more than hope

Even Bernie admits that he's a long-shot (though I think he'll do better than a lot of people expect). But even should he lose, his campaign will be important. His campaign can be the beginning of a movement within the democratic party to push the national discourse leftward and enact policies that actually reduce inequality and help 90% of Americans.

But that can only happen with hard-work and movement building from us.

[ladjf]

49. I have no idea about who will win the Democratic nomination.

But, Bernie is my favorite Dem so I'll do what I can on his behalf. If he doesn't win the nomination, I'll support whoever does win it.

[Sheepshank]

71. lol

On Wed May 20, 2015, 05:07 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Have the GMO loving bully, im out.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=7748

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"GMO loving bully" - personal attack on Kali.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed May 20, 2015, 05:16 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This poster has issues, which multiple time outs have not diminished. Not sure what good hiding yet another OTT post will do, but I will vote to do so, nonetheless.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not seeing it.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: It is a personal attack. But I still love that Kali got to go into group aka The Cult of Bernie with hands down some of the nastiest posters on this board and make his feelings known about their behavior. Well done, Kali.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: ah gee, I torn between darkangel218 saying they were leaving and leaving the post up since the alert was a tad silly...what to do, what to do. darkangel is annoying as hell, but this particular comment doesn't rise to the level of alerting imho.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Autumn]

73. Juror #4 ?

[aspirant]

75. Congrats

It seems are hosts have solved this problem YEAH. These distractions are unnecessary but we are still left with the undeleted POO posts, Oh Well

[orpupilofnature57]

77. It's beating our own infieriorty complex we have of the 1%

We've been born in to the concept of being ruled without questioning why .

[L0oniX]

79. I wouldn't use that word since it is usually reserved for worship of a g0d. We don't worship Bernie.

We agree with him.

[darkangel218]

81. Yes, but you will vote for him. Meaning, you have faith in his actions/ you trust him..nt

[aspirant]

83. Exactly

Who knows what Bernie will do in the future? We can take his past and present actions as a factual indicator of the future, but we must have faith/belief/confidence in his coming Presidential actions.

[L0oniX]

85. Oh ...so now you change it to "faith in his actions" instead of "faith in Bernie".

[darkangel218]

87. Thats what i meant by it to begin with.

[Cheese Sandwich]

86. +1

Sure, maybe Bernie has earned a bit of trust by being consistently awesome.

But talking about "faith" is just inviting people to say Bernie supporters are like a cult.

I wouldn't have faith in any politician.

[TM99]

88. Come on people.

The first definition given for the word faith is 'to have confidence or trust in a person or thing'.

Having faith in someone does not mean it is about religion, religious beliefs, messiahs, or cults of personality.

I have trust & confidence in Sanders because he is congruent and consistent. He has a proven track record of supporting the policies and principles that I know to be necessary for our day and age.

I will offer a more intense level of support for someone who earns my trust. I will do what I can do 'have their back'. I have volunteered to work on his campaign, so yes, I may literally one day stand by his side.

Have we all become so jaded by the New Atheist versus Fundamentalist religious believers culture wars that we can not use words about trust and metaphors of support without having to rationalize and explain them away?

Hell yes I have faith in Sanders!!!

[aspirant]

93. +1,+1,+1 = +111

[malokvale77]

94. Good reply

I have been a non-believer as far back as I can remember. I certainly did not associate the OP's use of the word faith as being religious or cultish.

That was a silly argument to use to poke at the OP.

[Enthusiast]

91. Kicked and recommended a whole bunch!

[smokey nj]

92. You certainly live up to your screen name!

[Enthusiast]

96. Thank you.