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Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:51 AM

Hitler Wasn't Inevitable - or why to vote for Bernie

It may not be enough, but in my mind it is worth a shot.

Today a great article came up in Jacobin (leftist theory publication which I read regularly) about the rise of Hitler in Germany. It could've gone different ways but we know what ended up happening. This article summarizes the attempts social democrats and some communists made in Germany as the economy failed. Bernie is making the same kind of attempt today (and I'm sure he sees these parallels as well). Let's hope he is more successful.

This is a link to excerpts I've posted in the Socialist Progressives group - http://www.democraticunderground.com/102410448

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Reply Hitler Wasn't Inevitable - or why to vote for Bernie (Original post)
TBF Nov 2015 OP
restorefreedom Nov 2015 #1
SoapBox Nov 2015 #2
TBF Nov 2015 #3
restorefreedom Nov 2015 #5
TBF Nov 2015 #7
SoapBox Nov 2015 #8
restorefreedom Nov 2015 #10
Demeter Nov 2015 #18
restorefreedom Nov 2015 #4
TBF Nov 2015 #6
restorefreedom Nov 2015 #11
Bernin4U Nov 2015 #15
SoapBox Nov 2015 #9
restorefreedom Nov 2015 #12
TBF Nov 2015 #13
restorefreedom Nov 2015 #14
Bernin4U Nov 2015 #16
TBF Nov 2015 #17

Response to TBF (Original post)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 11:11 AM

1. well that didn't take long.....

On Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:05 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Hitler Wasn't Inevitable - or why to vote for Bernie
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128078701

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Comparing this election to Nazi Germany and indirectly comparing Hillary to Hitler.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:10 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Any time someone references Hitler they lose.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Please. It's a discussion board. Refute if you disagree.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I thought he was making the Trump - Hitler comparison. Either way, it's not offensive.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Careless Hitler analogies not appreciated.
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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 11:20 AM

2. They are absolutely out of their minds.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 11:22 AM

3. You would think folks would NOT want to see Trump as president -

I am laying out precisely how democratic socialists tried to defeat Hitler - and how we should try to defeat Trump.

What in this could possibly be offensive to a non-fascist?

Unless of course the alerter is fascist and supports Trump.

And I will edit this to add: this is not a post to compare Hitler to Hillary. I don't hate her and won't get into posting wars with her supporters. I simply don't think her economic policies are strong enough to stem the tide. That's an opinion and should be respected during the primaries.

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Response to TBF (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 11:25 AM

5. i think the clue lies in the alert itself

someone apparently thought the comparison was to hillary, not trump. i doubt anyone here would have alerted if they had gotten the gist of your post and the trump angle.

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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 11:29 AM

7. Oh they get it -

they just think Hillary is the stronger candidate to run. My opinion is that they are wrong.

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Response to TBF (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 11:38 AM

8. Yup and yup.

Shutdown all speech that doesn't Zombie March for her, even if it has nothing to do with her.

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Response to TBF (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 12:06 PM

10. i completely agree. bernie is stronger in a ge

honestly, martin would be stronger in a ge if he could get through the primaries.

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Response to TBF (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 07:39 AM

18. She's more like Mussolini, anyway.

 

Corrupt and corporate, power and money hungry, but not carrying a vendetta.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 11:22 AM

4. what i don't get...

is if hillary has it all sewn up, why try and stop anyone from having a discussion? if its a lost cause, then why not let us be?

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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 11:27 AM

6. Exactly - it is not sewn up.

My argument is that Bernie is the stronger candidate to affect economics and therefore keep this country from going down the fascist route. My allies on the far left would laugh at me for being way too naive. And they may be correct. But I don't think the alert is coming from those folks. It is coming from people supporting a weak candidate (and they are feeling threatened).

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Response to TBF (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 12:07 PM

11. yup. a confident warrior does not need to strike first. nt

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 03:23 PM

15. Just how they roll.

Of course they're going to take every opportunity to find offense.

Like I've said, it's the kid on the playground who will take cheap shots (verbally or even physically) at you, then as soon as you turn to them, they'll be doubled over on the ground (as long as they know they're within earshot of a teacher).

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Response to TBF (Original post)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 11:42 AM

9. So if you want to get really scared...

Go read the article.

I'm no expert on The Rise and Fall...but it's just creepy to be reminded of various things that happened.

And as I posted in the other group...the Tea Party, Trump/Walker types, the Bankster and Billionaire Employer Class, etc...

Seems like there are so many parallels.

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Response to TBF (Original post)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 12:09 PM

12. ps i didn't even know there was a sp group on du

gonna check it out. i should spend more time in groups and less time in gdp..would be better for my stress level...

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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 12:48 PM

13. Come visit -

hosted by a few socialists. We post from leftist sources that we find interesting and we also have many related labor postings from Omaha Steve.

About our group: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10245634

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Response to TBF (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 01:57 PM

14. looks cool.

i definitely need to spend more time in groups

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Response to TBF (Original post)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 03:38 PM

16. Not sure why Trump

is necessarily any more fascist than, say, our PNAC pals?

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Response to Bernin4U (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 05:40 PM

17. In my mind he's not -

it was just an interesting article, I thought, pointing out the economic conditions between then and now. Moreover, the point that it can go in many directions. Do we want to push for something better or stick with the status quo (which so far is killing us)?

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