So, HRC is now mocking the First Amendment?

[Fawke Em]

AND, her statement similarly matches that loon, Donald Trump?

Yesterday, we wrote about Hillary Clinton's absolutely terrible plan for undermining both encryption and free speech on the internet as a way to "deal" with ISIS. I left out the worst quote of all that she stated in the process, mockingly:

"You’re going to hear all of the usual complaints, you know, freedom of speech, et cetera..."

Free speech et cetera? That's handwaving it away. You can see the whole clip here, of the leading Democratic Presidential candidate who will almost certainly win the nomination:

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151207/21225233018/two-leading-presidential-candidates-clinton-trump-both-mocked-free-speech-internet.shtml#comments



This is an article in a blog I read for work. That it's making it on there will mean it will be hotly discussed for the next few weeks.

Oh - and maybe she won't "certainly win the nomination," especially with this kind of talk.

[Art_from_Ark]

1. So much for her "credentials" as a "die-hard liberal"

[Still In Wisconsin]

13. Hillary is slightly more liberal than George W. Bush...

slightly.

[Enthusiast]

30. On some issues.

[TIME TO PANIC]

2. Nauseating.

I'm not sure I could vote for her if she's the nominee.

[Truprogressive85]

3. Oops

Did she not as Senator want to ban the burning of the US flag

[Art_from_Ark]

4. Yup, she co-introduced the Flag Protection Act

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Protection_Act_of_2005

[Truprogressive85]

5. wow

under that Act I would been put in jail

[Art_from_Ark]

6. The cynic in me says it should have been called

the "Providing More Inmates for Private Prisons Act"

[Fawke Em]

7. How is she considered a Democrat?

And, how do her supporters consider her a Democrat, but complain that Bernie isn't one?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

14. Because the Clintons believe they OWN the party....

I've heard her slip and call it "...the Democrat party".

That's from chumming around with Republicans.

[senz]

19. Wow. I wish someone would catch that and record it.

Such a phony person this is.

Off topic, a few months ago we discussed your avatar, which looked sort of like a parrot to me, and you said you were in it with flames around you, and I thought I saw a lithe little figure in the front, but lately I'm seeing someone's face in the middle. So... oh what the heck, I'm more confused than ever. Maybe you should submit your avatar to the Rorschach folks.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

25. I thought about animating it about 15 years ago....

But then I got all nostalgic since it's been around since the days of dialup.

[senz]

26. So tell me, is the face I now see there? Or not?

It's a smiling face, and I never saw it until a couple of days ago.

If you don't want to tell, it's okay.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

29. You got me looking though my old backups....

Found the original picture of myself before adding the flame layer.

Here's a peek:

[senz]

42. LOL -- that's impossible!

Incredibly clever, though. You probably work in the visual arts, computer graphics. Nice job, if a little creepy.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

43. It's there to troll the religious fanatics....

There are actually people in this country that believe foot odor is the result of demons in their shoes and socks.

[blackspade]

45. You're shitting me.

That has to be the dumbest fucking thing I have heard in a long time.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

46. Think that's bad?

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/sermons/colon.html

Apparently the folks at Landover really believe their shit doesn't stink.

[senz]

49. I skimmed the page and it reads like a spoof.

Doesn't have an ounce of sincerity in it. I think the website is a giant put-on, a parody of rightwing bigotry, possibly for the amusement of people like us.

However, I do recall someone saying, a long time ago, that people with bad breath don't have souls.

[senz]

17. Hey, how is she considered an American?

People like that should never, ever be elected President of the United States.

This item needs wider exposure. Perhaps GD-P and then out into the wilds of the Internet!

Her supporters? They say they care about membership in the Party, but if Bernie were a Democrat and giving Hillary this much run for her considerable money, they'd have some other complaint. And we all know they don't care about the meaning of "democrat." I don't think they care about much of anything except installing this person in the White House so that she will be happy. That's really all that matters: her happiness.

The American people? The Bill of Rights? Tsk! These things pale beside ... Her ... Happiness ...

So...actually...she is a perfect match for Trump.

The Republicans have their Bizarro World. And we have ours.

[Ed Suspicious]

37. She is a compassionate conservative (minus the compassion as far as I can tell).

[restorefreedom]

48. she is prochoice

i can't think of any other issue where she espouses the dem position.

so, prochoice republican?

[AzDar]

8. ...

[jalan48]

9. Maybe she just mis-spoke-AGAIN!

[SammyWinstonJack]

10. Ugh.

[PoliticalMalcontent]

11. She's tone deaf.

One of the reasons I dislike her so much is because of her dismissive attitude toward everything. Wiping down the hard-drive with a rag. Brushing off her shoulders so dismissively (You've seen the gif).

Can't stand it.

[senz]

20. I call that nihilism.

And I think it's deadly in a powerful person.

[cui bono]

12. Holy shit!!!

That is so wrong.

Okay, really, can't vote for her. Why bother? Anyone who votes for her in the primary is responsible for her not winning the general if she gets the nom. NO Democrat should vote for ANYONE who thinks the constitution is 'quaint'. We saw what the last POTUS/VP who thought that did.

.

[JonLeibowitz]

15. A question to all voters: Do you believe in the oath of office of the president of the united states

Do you really? Let me repeat it below.

“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

We now have a primary candidate who is openly opposed to the First Amendment, the Freedom of Speech. How can we as Americans in good conscience vote to nominate and elect anyone who is openly dismissive and defiant of the oath of office and the constitution of These United States?

This is a serious question. I await serious answers.

edit: I see now that this is in the Bernie Sanders group. Oops! Should I make this an OP?

[senz]

21. It needs a wider venue. DU and beyond.

It matters.

[JonLeibowitz]

22. It is done! In GDP now...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251892632

[Fawke Em]

44. Thanks!

I had a busy morning and couldn't do this.



Plus, I limit the time I wade through GD-P.

[Warren DeMontague]

16. Clearly doing away with encryption and censoring the internet (squeee!) are on some xmas lists.

Never mind the actual facts around ISIS, Americans encrypting their iphones and twitter being insufficiently enthusiastic about shutting down certain hastags, that's the REAL problem.

[gordyfl]

18. That's Something You Would Expect From George Bush

This woman gives me so many reasons not to vote for her. The list just keeps getting bigger.

[Enthusiast]

31. The list was sufficiently long enough for me already. Now this.

[certainot]

23. well, the rw calls a 1200 coordinated radio station monopoly/PSYOPS an

expression of free speech. and all those rw blowhards hide behind call screeners.
they also think corporations should have it.
they think a 95% to 5% ratio of rw to liberal talk radio is an expression of free speech/free market - what an insult to america!

that's their interpretation of 'free speech' and savy politicians know that how hypocritical it is

maybe that's some of the context....

[Enthusiast]

32. Huge +1!

[Betty Karlson]

24. Hey Clinton, if you like Bush's policies so much, why don't you just vote for them?

O wait, you already did... dozens of times.

[Enthusiast]

33. Huge +1!

[Scootaloo]

27. ...Awkwaaaard

[Maedhros]

28. Yes.

Yes she is.

[Enthusiast]

34. What does Hillary propose we do about the internet "problem"?

[Scuba]

35. Hey when your signature legislation as a US Senator is a ban on flag burning ...

... you've already made clear that you don't give two shits about freedom of speech.

[blackspade]

36. The Young Turks picked this up.

[demmiblue]

41. Interesting... thanks. n/t

[Ed Suspicious]

38. I think I can't deny it any more. I think I do hate her and what she stands for. I'm sorry, but

she is so incredibly dangerous. I'm not accepting the accepted wisdom that she would be far better than a Republican. She is dangerous because her ideas like this can gain traction and will be seen as legitimate simply by virtue of the "D" she wears. I'm done. I'm not doing it. I will not be party to her dragging this country further to the right. I will not be part of her repressive, anti-populist version of democracy.

Do you ever in your daily lives consider for a moment that we are at war against terrorism? I'm not at war. War causes terrorism.

I declare war on war. I declare war on warhawks.

War is the only thing I'm at war against.

[Hepburn]

39. Dangerous...that in fact does describe HRC

She has tried so very hard to hide her true nature in order to get the nomination, and some do see what she really is...dangerous, truly dangerous. I do hate what she stands for.

[in_cog_ni_to]

40. Eh, Free Speech is soooooooo yesterday! Highly overated!

She has issues with that doggone CONSTITUTION thingy...

About the First Amendment. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Remember, she also voted against flag burning.

WASHINGTON, June 27 — Perhaps even more than her stance on the war in Iraq, it is Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's position on flag desecration that has drawn the scorn of the liberal Democratic base.

When Mrs. Clinton took a stand on the matter last year — co-sponsoring legislation that would have criminalized the desecration of the American flag even as she opposed a constitutional amendment that sought to achieve the same end — she was pilloried from the left. Editorial boards criticized her for political maneuvering, the political commentator Arianna Huffington attacked her for "stars, stripes and triangulation" and even some of her supporters quietly wondered why she had gone out on a limb on such a controversial issue.

On Tuesday, Mrs. Clinton played a leading role in the flag-burning debate once again, co-sponsoring a measure similar to her previous one as an alternative to the constitutional amendment that was about to come up for a vote in the Senate.

"Fortunately, we have an opportunity to protect our flag in a bipartisan and constitutional way," Mrs. Clinton said in her floor speech.<snip>

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/28/washington/28hillary.html?_r=0

[Major Hogwash]

47. ". . . you know, freedom of speech, et cetera . . . "

Just that ol' first amendment thingy, yadda, yadda, yadda.



Incredible.

[MadDAsHell]

50. Most of DU was 100% behind the Yale students that essentially forced two faculty members out of jobs

For challenging the students' cozy little worlds.

I don't exactly find DU to be a bastion of free speech advocacy these days, though I once did (as a lurker about 15 years ago).