So, you're not voting for Bernie Sanders?

[Playinghardball]

[bvar22]

1. DURec.

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When I was younger, I used to ridicule without mercy "working class" people who voted Republican.
"How can you vote AGAINST your own Economic Interest?", I would ask pointedly.
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a few years later, the "Centrist" DNC and Party Leadership is asking me to do the same.

[pocoloco]

4. A real Democrat would never do that!

And therein lies the problem.

[Cassiopeia]

5. It's more like a demand from the party.

Money trumps all.

[Jack Rabbit]

22. Even peace.

Wait a minute, only a right wing moron would say that.

[brewens]

23. I won't do it but I'm feeling like it's Bern or let it burn. I know we can't really let

Republicans have it, especially with SCOTUS appointments coming up.

Still I'm feeling that if we pass up the chance to get a man like Bernie elected, we'll pretty much have whatever happens coming to us. More like the people responsible for any other outcome will deserve what they get, and have screwed the rest of us.

It could be that if we can't have Bernie, it'd be better to say fuck it and let it burn. Maybe that's what it will take? Really hit bottom with a total RW takeover to make people wake up. I hope not.

[bvar22]

25. I've had the same thoughts on dark days.

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[ccinamon]

44. I too feel like that...

Bern or Burn. Sometimes for new growth (aka progress in moving forward) to take place, you have to let the forest burn (aka make things miserable to get people off their ass and get involved).

[BeanMusical]

2. Kick and R

[Cynical Sam]

3. Beautiful!!!

Says it all! Thank you!

[SmittynMo]

6. Against your own self interest

I've been saying that for months. I don't get it why the HRC fans are voting for an Oligarch. Isn't that against everyone's self interest?

[INdemo]

33. Caution there

[Thespian2]

7. Alert...

this OP makes too much sense...


Wonder why the corporate media refuses to mention that Bernie is running for president???

[forest444]

12. And then fires anchors who support him (I miss Ed Schultz).

To paraphrase Big Ed: if corporate media think Democratic voters aren't on to them, they can keep on pretendin'.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

15. The corporations may have to pay taxes for a change

[SheilaT]

8. I think the reason so very many people vote against their own self interest

is that most people are guided by fear and ignorance, and have no clear understanding of the issues. And here I'm referring to all who are not wealthy but vote for Republicans. They believe someone is going to take away their guns, or that if woman can control their own bodies somehow everything will be ruined, or if "those people" are actually allowed to vote, to send their kids to our schools, to take jobs a way from decent (meaning white male) Americans, and because they have these genuinely stupid beliefs, they can be persuaded to vote against the party and politicians who will force gun control, legalized abortion, voting rights for all, and so on.

Another problem at the top end, is that those who are in the top 10% are doing quite well, but do not get that they are not in the 1%. Not to mention, a lot of embittered people below the top 50% are convinced that they only reason they're not rich is because of those nasty liberals who have destroyed this country.

[erronis]

17. You've touched on the reason that most people don't think rationally - they aren't hurting enough.

Most of the middle class (and upper-lower, lower-upper, whatever) are in a zone where they can get by. Add 1% here, take off 1% there. They'll probably still have housing and food and a new car every few years.

If these "middle-class" voters became republicans or third-way democrats (neo-liberals) over the years, they probably won't change. They've voted THEIR values and the country is hanging in there, for THEM. Maybe not for their kids and grandkids, but that's way out there - their problem.

The top 0.1% (and I don't think it is 10%) are really quite fine with the situation. They can probably, for the next half-century, make sure they and their progeny can survive.

The ones at the bottom end of the economic scale have little voice. These may be 20-30% of eligible voters but they are either locked out or fed kool-aid by the elite. Buy more guns, blame the "others", keep yer women under control.

The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.

[SheilaT]

31. You've nailed it nicely:

If these "middle-class" voters became republicans or third-way democrats (neo-liberals) over the years, they probably won't change. They've voted THEIR values and the country is hanging in there, for THEM. Maybe not for their kids and grandkids, but that's way out there - their problem.

These are people who don't get the larger picture, they only know that they're doing okay, and don't give a shit about anyone else. Which is much of why this country is such sad shape: "I've got mine, so screw everyone else."

[gordyfl]

9. Bernie is "Our Candidate"

Bernie is a Democrat ---> with a spine!

He's not afraid to take a stand against the money and power that controls Washington and its politicians. We're lucky to have him running. We may not have another opportunity like this.

Hillary is more of the same. Only she's very well rehearsed. She's been packaged nicely with much help from the BIG money in politics. She's "Their" candidate. Not ours.

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

13. She's been rehearsing for a long time... me thinks way too long.

I always wondered how much truth the old rumors about her telling Bill how to do his job.

[merrily]

55. He was a Rhodes Scholar. She failed the Washington, D.C. bar exam. Do the math. However,

she did embrace and approve his policies, esp. when she ran in 2008. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12778412

[jwirr]

19. Bernie is making a stand every time he says something.

And so are we. We need to continue to fight this good fight.

[BlueJazz]

10. That has to be the original "Cool Cat"

[Spitfire of ATJ]

11. On a related note...

[SoLeftIAmRight]

24. I like this one

many thanks

[navarth]

34. bang. nt

[Rosa Luxemburg]

14. You're a scaredy cat if you are not voting for Bernie

[JDPriestly]

16. K&R. The truth hurts.

[Rebkeh]

18. To be fair though,

the upper, upper middle class is still hanging on but the threat of sliding is upon them. In terms of the short term and personal survival of their status, it's not necessarily a vote against their own interests. It's very hard to convince someone to see anything that might undermine their livelihood. Very. Hard.

Before long, if trends continue, the 1% are going to slide and the .01% will rule the roost. Just like the middle class did, they have joined the poor. Won't that be entertaining to watch?


But, I agree because it's against all of our interests because democracy requires we be in it together. Nobody benefits from a fragmented society - not if they are honest.

[jwirr]

20. You are correct - in this move to control ALL of the money

it is only a matter of time before they have all they can take from us and will started on the top 10% and when they have finished with them they will start fighting over the remaining money that is held by the 1%. Killing each other off. Greed has no natural limits.

[bvar22]

27. Money does not equal wealth.

Wealth = a homegrown Strawberry, nurtured for months, picked at the moment of perfect ripeness,
and eaten unwashed and sun warmed while standing in the Strawberry Patch naked except for cut off jeans.
Sometimes, the juice runs down my chin.
THAT is WEALTH out of the reach of the "richest" man in the World.

[jwirr]

29. You have a beautiful soul. Thank you.

[bvar22]

30. Thanks for the kind words.

Bob

[MisterP]

26. the McMansion gentry is often pretty unstable themselves--they make over $250K a year

but end up spending it (since by now they have no idea how money actually works--it's just something they *have* that lets them buy anything, rather than a dollar amount that has to be kept balanced), their income swings with the market, and their houses are new showpieces designed for "investment" rather than to be lived in (and in fact cheap "Neo-Eclecticism" is so jumbled that they fall apart from all the joists and roof gables; they're not DESIGNED to have a "second buyer&quot

[smith_70]

21. lets get Bernie elected!

Good one. How can we get Trump off of the yahoo web page. if we can get a few disenfranchised blue collar people to understand Bernie can help them

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

38. Like I have said before.

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win.

Welcome to DU

[Yallow]

28. Support Bernie Or Write Your Children Off For Good

Bernie represents a chance for them.

The others, not so much.

Who will stop Wall Street from raping them (again)?

Republicans?

Hillary?

Are you kidding?

Wall Street is paying for Hillary's campaign, and own all the Republicans.

Only Bernie is for us.......

[99th_Monkey]

32. Purr-fect! n/t

[djean111]

35. I can't believe this OP got alerted on.

7-0 to leave it.

[TM99]

36. Well, when the jury fails,

alert the hosts.

No I am not locking this OP.

I have just alerted on the alert for calling the OP and group members 'chickenshits'.

[smokey nj]

41. I sent an alert abuse to the admins.

[LiberalArkie]

45. Result of jury on other message

On Mon Dec 14, 2015, 12:46 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

You're in the wrong fucking group.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=82547

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Over the top and rude, this host is being unreasonable in their response. Block them, you don't need to act like this.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Dec 14, 2015, 12:55 PM, and the Jury voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I am so over verbal abuse on this site. Please, learn to respond without being verbally abusive.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The post is over the top and inappropriate. The poster could have made their point without the blatant rudeness.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Rude
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Hey, we are back at Democratic Underground not Discussionist, no reason for the attitude

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[marym625]

52. I'm sorry, LiberalArkie

I responded to the wrong post. My bad. And my apologies

[marym625]

51. as did I

[Iwillnevergiveup]

39. Proud to be

the 100th rec. GO, Bernie!

[840high]

40. Rec 103

[shwnrob]

42. Yep Thats right

I'm not voting for Bernie Sanders.A wasted vote he cant win anyways

[chervilant]

46. I sat on this jury,

but I am dismayed by your post, which encapsulates what almost everyone replying to this OP is trying to convey. I encourage you to understand the import of Bernie's campaign. At the very least, he has changed the political discourse in our nation -- for the better. I sincerely hope that -- if you are incapable of supporting Bernie --you will stop snarking and posting negative statements about him, and devote your energy to support your candidate.

On Mon Dec 14, 2015, 12:46 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

You're in the wrong fucking group.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=82547

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Over the top and rude, this host is being unreasonable in their response. Block them, you don't need to act like this.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Dec 14, 2015, 12:55 PM, and the Jury voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I am so over verbal abuse on this site. Please, learn to respond without being verbally abusive.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The post is over the top and inappropriate. The poster could have made their point without the blatant rudeness.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Rude
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Hey, we are back at Democratic Underground not Discussionist, no reason for the attitude

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[marym625]

53. Smokey_nj does more to keep this group safe from crap than any other person here

She's the best protector of our safe haven, bar none. Her response was more than appropriate.

This poster has 5 posts. Every one is negative to Bernie Sanders and/or his supporters. Going so far in one as to actually say, "Sanders supporters will be on suicide watch when he loses." And his response here his anti democrat.

We look at history before we block and respond. So while you think it's appropriate to hide smokey's response, I find it incomprehensible.

[merrily]

56. +1 The post did not belong in this group. It was smokey's job to say so. She got a hide for doing

her job in a protected. That is jaw droppingly wrong.

[Autumn]

61. From now on it's a silent block

[Puglover]

73. Absofuckinglutely.

[merrily]

54. "Fucking group" gets a hide now? Did the group get "abused" or offended? No poster was insulted.

Using "fucking" to modify "group" is not a violation of the TOS. A host of a protected group, doing her job, gets a hide. This has to be one of the worst hides ever.

[merrily]

58. Watch out for the alert stalkers! What's funny to us is an opportunity for them.nt

[Thespian2]

48. Good response...

The supporters and trolls for the 1%er need to keep negative opinions, unrelated to facts, in their own group...

[marym625]

49. I'm so tired of this bullshit

We received an alert on the OP from a Hillary supporter calling the OP author "chickenshit" I alerted on the alert. I almost never alert

[hobbit709]

59. I wonder which 1%er supporter had a cow.

On Mon Dec 14, 2015, 05:47 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Good response...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=82582

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

People should not be called trolls on DU simply because they will vote for a different candidate. There are more civil ways to express a difference of opinion.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Dec 14, 2015, 05:56 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Groups should be held to the same Community standards that forums are held to. I think a good start would be not calling members of DU trolls.

Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Okay my objective assessment is that this is OTT. Is it nasty enough to be hidden? Well, someone asked, and that's my answer.

[Juicy_Bellows]

60. FYI - this is getting weird.

Mail Message
On Mon Dec 14, 2015, 03:36 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I wonder which 1%er supporter had a cow.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=82646

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Referring to DUers who operate in accordance with the site rules as "I percent supporters" is deliberately insulting and divisive.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Dec 14, 2015, 03:46 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Full disclosure - I haven't the foggiest idea what the hell the alert is getting at.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Enough of this -- hide this pronto. It is way over the top to call every Hillary supporter is a 1%er. If he had said 60 percenter it would be closer to the truth.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Lol! The shoe does fit some.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[hobbit709]

62. The Outrage Brigade is alive and well.

[Juicy_Bellows]

63. Curious, who alerts on jury results?

I mean, wth is that?

[hobbit709]

64. There are a couple of groups here that some of the members

feel that they are on a holy mission from gawd to be perpetually outraged and swarm any other group or forum they don't like.

[Juicy_Bellows]

65. Apparently so - I'd never seen a jury result alerted before - confused this juror for sure.

I was juror#1 and that was after I read the entire thread.



Cheers!

[darkangel218]

67. +1million

Your assessment is quite on point.

[merrily]

68. I did once. One of the jurors went way over the top attacking a poster by name in a way that would

have been hidden in a New York millisecond if it had been on the board. Trying to poison people's minds against a particular poster is not the function of a jury vote. I alerted. And, btw, the poster "happened" to be a brilliant Bernie supporter who backs up his or her statements, yet gets alert stalked incessantly.

[Juicy_Bellows]

69. I get that but that wasn't the case above.

I get a call out for sure. I just served on a one word alert of jury results tonight. Peeps getting silly.

[merrily]

70. No, it wasn't the case above, and all the hides on this thread are ugly and unwarranted.

Group hosts are getting hidden for using the word "f*ck about their own group or as a joke now? Ugly stuff on DU, very ugly. The perps must be so proud of their integrity.

[Juicy_Bellows]

71. Yes, i absolutely agree. Nt.

[merrily]

72. OMG. Juror 3 intentionally conflated 1% wealth with voter polling. Jurors 1 and 5 however nailed it.