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[Betty Karlson]

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[Perogie]

1. I was banned also

All I did was point out that HRC was leading in the polls in 2007-2008 and it didn't get her the nomination.

So telling the truth using actual facts got me banned.

Very telling of the group.

[roguevalley]

55. me too. I pointed out that I would speak my

mind and not be stilled by some fascistic idea that we all have to say what they want to say or we're 'bad'. My phone didn't let me know that it was the usual post in their group and I got banned. I feel better for it and I'm sure in their shared belief system they are glad too that I can't chat.

[Scuba]

2. Congratulations!

[Duval]

61. Scuba, you are so funny!! As for being banned, I

never wanted to be in Hillary's group. As a firm Bernie supporter, I'm sure I would have been out ages ago, anyway.

[NV Whino]

3. I got banned last night, too.

Didn't even know I was in the wrong spot.

[PFunk1]

21. neither did I

But I was banned all the same. Nice way of building party unity-not.

[matt819]

4. Me too

They need trigger warnings and safe spaces.

[gregcrawford]

26. I got the boot a few months ago...

... not knowing I was invading their "Happy Space" with what I thought was a perfectly reasonable and benign question. I can't remember what it was now.

Quite a few of them seem to have some serious anger management issues. I think there's a pill for that.

[world wide wally]

50. Same story here from a couple of months ago. I had the nerve to suggest it was foolish for Hillary

and Bernie supporters to be going for each others throats.
I am just glad the candidates aren't as closed minded and spiteful as these groupies.

[TheBlackAdder]

5. The heavy hand of censorship banned me minutes ago for posting 'off topic'. One Strike = You're Out!

.


There was a reference to Disney, and no way meant against HRC. I posted the following:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=30358


I am a PoliSci continuing ed student, a staunch Democrat who will vote for the Democrat's nominee, and a NEUTRAL.

I have NOT taken any sides between the candidates, yet met the hammer this morning.



This is the first community that I have ever been banned from, since getting on usegroups in the early 1990's.

I am an EFF supporter who apparently has a different view of censorship and community.


I will still post neutrally, even though there is an effort to alienate neutrality.


.

[Nyan]

6. They're very sensitive.

All the big bad nasty Bernie supporters are making them hate Bernie, while anybody who criticizes their candidate is a "Hillary hater." (Isn't that funny? They can't find a reason to hate Bernie, so they're bitter and going after his supporters instead)
Is it only me or are they behaving like a mean little schoolgirl clique? They want her no matter what because she's all that. And anybody who doesn't like her just don't get how fabulous she is -that she's hated because of all the haters out there hating her because she's all that.

[Betty Karlson]

7. That pretty much sums up the paradigm one is likely to encounter in the presence of Clinton's

supporters on DU. And the school clique is starting to morph into an even uglier phenomenon: the community that defines itself not by shared values, but by a common hatred of "others".

[JackInGreen]

8. Thata the feeling ive always gotten from their core membership

Meangirls who think that anything critical is hate, any support is total and any neutrality is false unless they decree it. It's petulant.

[stillwaiting]

9. Any Hillary supporter that thinks DWS is doing a good job is suspect.

It is OBJECTIVELY not true ----> Fundraising, how the Democratic Party has done under her tenure, and this ridiculous primary season that is fracturing our Party.

It is fracturing our party, and the only people who could think that is a GOOD thing are Republicans.

I've had the HRC Group hidden for a very long time.

[RoccoR5955]

10. I consider it a badge of honor!

[cantbeserious]

11. Badge Of Honor In My Humble Opinion

eom

[sarge43]

12. Berners, I'm sure you all have been thrown out of far, far better dives.

It's pointless trying to have a rational discussion with Camp Weathervane

As the Bedouin say, "The dogs bark; our caravan moves on."

[ruffburr]

13. Me Too

[Enthusiast]

14. You too?

[Betty Karlson]

15. Like I said: on reflection, it is a surprise it took this long.

[rurallib]

16. I think I was out 2 days after they started

can't even remember why. I don't even think Clinton is a bad person, but damn her followers are a bit touchy.

[randr]

17. Really turns me off to HRC

I think all Democrats of good conscience should demand an end to the DNC's rule of our party.

[FairWinds]

18. I was banned from the HRC group too . .

for questioning the wisdom of her policies in Honduras.

And by the way, HRC doubled down in the debate last night in
insisting what a swell job she had done in Libya.

Could not believe it.

Veterans For Peace

[Betty Karlson]

27. By corporate standards, she probably had a point....

[PFunk1]

19. So was I. Join the club.

It seems you can say anything bad you want about Bernie in any of his groups. But do the same about Hillary, no matter of polite and slightest it is in theirs and you're out, But, hey. That's the way they want to play the it's ok by me.

[daleanime]

20. Tell me, I was banned for literally.....

nothing.

[bvf]

22. Congrats!

It's getting hard to keep up!

[SoapBox]

23. Congratulations!

Wear the badge proudly...most of DU has been banned there, including me for making an accidental post...I have as banned before I could even self delete...nasty.

[Cassidy]

24. Can we form a Banned from Hillary Clinton Group group?

I was banned from HC group on Nov. 29. Apparently it was for a comment I made countering a post that stated that when HC was Senator all New Yorkers wanted was safety. Since I was a New Yorker during that time, I pointed out that the poster did not speak for me or my friends.

I always try to be polite and factual in my posts.

My final paragraph, in the post that resulted in my being banned, was: "Yes, she [Hillary Clinton] has done good things, too, but I don't think she has the determination to do what needs to be done to put this country back on track and to make the right choices in crises. I voted for her once. I will, but I really hope I don't have to do that again."

If that type of comment can get a person banned, I think the current purge has crossed the line and the sensitivity of the Clinton supporters is losing them more than they could possibly be gaining.

[fleur-de-lisa]

25. Ugh . . .

Why even go there? I think your ban solidifies the argument that HRC and DWS are joined at the hip. Criticizing one = criticizing both. I will never even peek into that group.

[Betty Karlson]

30. That congruence of criticism-touchiness was interesting and reportable.

Hence my OP. But at the same time, I feel energised to become more outspoken. The mind is flowing with alternating zest and ideas.

As for why I went there: keeping in touch. We are being told over and over that divided we fall and the GOP gets to ruin the country when that happens, right? I guess some don't want to keep the GOP out of power.

[fleur-de-lisa]

33. +1

[CountAllVotes]

28. You deserve an award!

For a job well done! A Club of its own I'd say!

[Jack Rabbit]

29. They seem to be a bit sensitive over there

I agree with you that DWS is toxic and if I were Mrs. Clinton, I'd see about replacing her immediately if not sooner. Yes, she puts her thumb on the scale for Mrs. Clinton and no, the DNC Chair is not supposed to do that. Ms. Wasserman Schultz' high handed treatment of the data breach is simply embarrassing, mostly to herself but also to her own favored candidate.

[HassleCat]

31. It's groupthink

The groups have been defined as safe havens, which really means echo chambers. Most of them will ban you for even suggesting they should listen to a variety of opinions.

[jalan48]

32. I was banned last summer. Apparently I didn't genuflect properly for Hillary.

[oldandhappy]

34. Congratulations.

We need a tag/badge/smilie for those banned!

[Hoppy]

35. I got banned a couple-a months ago. I don't remember which post did it.

What it boils down to is, if your position can't hold water, put your fingers in your ears and yell, "Nah, nah, nah, I can't hear you."


Its easier than trying to think.

[TIME TO PANIC]

36. It's a badge of honor.

[peace13]

37. We need a Banned From Hillary Group! Nt

[DhhD]

38. It seems that HRC is acheiving a division in the Democratic Party, but not too fast.

If she becomes president, I think that she will be a sitting president receiving a challenge from progressive democracy in 2020. I heard campaign promises moving to the Left from Center, from Clinton, in last night's primary debate. I think that Democrats will continue to discuss broken campaign promises of Barack Obama, which has been acceptable here on DU for several years.

We know that the voting base of the GOP is getting smaller. The GOP is going over a cliff. Will some in politics pick up, or continue picking up the conservative privatization for profit, especially with Citizens United around?

How about those big banks and Wall Street bankers that all three candidates talked about stopping, last night at the last primary debate? One of the three candidates was really talking a huge move to the Left, from a previously stated Plan.

Now that the Democratic Debates are over, looks like the Primary is now moving to the internet to compare Plans. I would like to take some printouts to Uncle Bob's house, for the holidays.

Adding on edit: I got banned too after stating that a Hillary Clinton Supporter contacted me via my private email address with out my permission for its use to ask for me to support a 1%er and donations, on the day that the DNC allowed the firewall to drop.

[Freelancer]

39. You can change your settings so that 'safe haven' groups' posts don't show

I've been banned from a group too. It's easier to just go through, and hide the posts from the enclave groups. That way, you won't reply to something that comes up in the 'latest posts,' thinking that free speech exists there.

Nothing can be settled on DU. Just try to have fun.

[marble falls]

40. Up front, Hillary Clinton and DWS aren't my choices, I don't see anything....

over the top or anti-Hillary.

[mikehiggins]

41. Welcome to the club

I got banned a couple of weeks ago and have no idea why. I went to reply to some post or other and got a note that I was banned from that group. I can't say that I lost much sleep over that.

It's almost becoming a badge of achievement to get banned by them.

[Dustlawyer]

42. Welcome to the party Pal!!!

When I was banned I didn't know I was replying in the HRC group (my bad, but in my defense, I never had to look before either). I will say that I went off on HRC (justifiably so), so I guess I deserved being banned from a group who will only look at their candidate through rose colored glasses.

While I am a Bernie supporter, I try to look objectively at his actions, statements, and overall conduct. I don't succeed 100% of the time, but do the best that I can to stay objective. In preparing a case for trial, it is good practice to try to look at everything form the viewpoint of, "What will an average jury think of this?" I try to do the same with both Bernie and HRC with the "average" voter.

My average voter is unfortunately not very well informed, and is quite often, mis-informed. This is the reason that Bernie feels the need to keep pounding home the same limited message in his rare TV appearances. There are so many who hear him for the first time, each time he has an appearance, he has to hit the high points. If he was covered to the extent of a Trump, or even HRC, he could have the luxury to dig deeper into his issues.

Being critical of who you support is every bit as necessary as for someone you don't. Sadly, too many are quick to excuse weakness or failures. They overlook critical issues that don't make their candidate look good, it's a part of human nature. The HRC group seems to take this to a new level though. I, like most other banned members, am proud to be kicked out of such a myopic, insular group!

[philly_bob]

43. You, and me, and 319 other DU'ers

See listing at http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=about&forum=1107

To question DU's private group system and the moderator's powers is considered "metadiscussion" and is cause for administrator action.

[liberalnarb]

44. I havent been banned yet...

cause I never post over there.

[Ed Suspicious]

45. Don't sweat it, Betty. Everyone who actually has something to say worth listening to is banned from

the Hillhive.

[SandersDem]

46. I was banned for the use of a single smilie!

this one

[litlbilly]

58. I was never banned cause i didnt join but If I did join, it wouldnt take long to join the ranks of

the banned

[Spitfire of ATJ]

47. I got banned right after it was created....

Something from the group landed on the home page and I made a joke.

Boom.

[polichick]

48. Guilty of confusing democracy with the Democratic party.

[Still In Wisconsin]

49. You dissed DWS openly? Shame, shame, shame.

That will draw the ire of the Hill Shills every time.

[ybbor]

51. Good for you!

I went in there once by accident, what a vile place! Hard to believe they consider themselves Democrats. We are so fucked if she wins the nomination. All in for Bernie!

[Livluvgrow]

52. For the longest time I thought

There were Repub infiltrators and disruptive. Lately though I have realized that is just how nasty Dws the DNC and many of the Hillbots really are. Talk about alienating people. Doesn't seem an effective way to win an election.

[Bubzer]

53. Welcome to the club!!!!

Wear it like a badge of pride!

[Loudestlib]

54. Welcome to the club

At the time of my ban Bernies group had banned 173 vs the 295 of Hillary's group.

The Hillary group was blocking almost twice as many people (~42%.) That's one block happy group.

[WillyT]

56. It's A Badge Of Honor...

[The Blue Flower]

57. I was banned months ago and accused of being a hater

It wasn't true then, but what I am hating now is the anti-democratic position of the DNC and DWS. They do not serve the people of this country. They are serving a single person. We have primaries to make sure the candidate has the full support of the people who constitute the party. That's how you win the election. What's happening now is foolish and short-sighted and ultimately self-destructive.

[bowens43]

59. Welcome to club. They have no tolerance for dissent - bow down or be kicked out.

[Duckhunter935]

60. been blocked from that group for a long time

[mckara]

62. I Was, Too, for Pointing Out a Fact

They only want a "discussion" of nitwits who think the same, like the Nazis did in Germany. It just gives me another reason to stay home if Hillary is the nominee.

[whereisjustice]

64. We are moving to a centralized committee style government, dissent must be punished in the most

severe fashion or the power base will be made to feel uncomfortable.

Hillary is rich enough to do the wrong things and survive as an elected official. That's why so many right-wingers like her, in spite of her toxic idiocy on Iraq War, prisons, Wall Street, etc

Many people are not secure enough in their own beliefs to support right over wrong. So they simply go with who they think will "win" regardless of the consequences.

If their choice wins, they feel like winners and are willing to disregard the foolishness of their choice.

What a shitty state of American politics - choosing between two political dynasties sworn to fuck over the middle class and below.

[awake]

65. Welcome to the club

I was baned for suggesting it was not in HRC's interest to go after Bernie's family. I was and am still on the fence and just wanted to give advice to keep us from tearing each other apart, it seem like that group only wants to talk to themselves, while that is fine and fair they are missing the opportunity of expanding their base by banning anyone whom they feel is not %100 for HRC

[draa]

70. Yeah,

it seems that "big tent" the Democrats always talk about really isn't that big. It's also a poor way to win an election.

[demmiblue]

67. I wouldn't post there in the first place.

Why would any non-supporter of HRC post there?!

Personally, I have that group hidden.

[4dsc]

68. Been there done that

I was banned for telling them how I attended both a Hillary and Bernie rally in Des Moines. What got me banned was telling them how much more enthusiasm there was at the Bernie rally versus the Hillary rally. I think most people at the Hillary rally looked at her like a celebrity and didn't show much enthusiasm.

[CoffeeCat]

69. I was banned too!

I responded to an OP without realizing that I was in the HRC group.

I went off!

My error was the real-life equivalent of barreling into a Hillary Clinton coffee clatch, standing on a credenza and ranting about how heinous Clinton is.

I did apologize.

I felt like Forest Gump, "Sorry I ruined your Black Panther party."

[Human101948]

71. Welcome to the club!

It's growing by leaps and bounds.

I was banned months ago.

[SheilaT]

72. I was the 15th person banned from that group.

I'd posted something very critical of her, not even realizing that I was in that group, and WHAM! I was banned. I even appealed to the moderators, but nope. I was out.

It's pretty amazing to what extent they won't tolerate anything but praise of her there, not even sensible analysis of her positions or history, and then have the nerve to complain about how UNFAIR the rest of DU is to them.

[Betty Karlson]

73. I was just banned from the Hillary Clinton Group.

(as per Autumn's advice

Frankly, it is surprising it took me so long to become their enemy, given the propensity of Clinton supporters to label any critic of The ANNOINTED One a right-wing nut-job.

Here's is the remark that got me banned: "Clinton could be the figurehead of one more election lost by DWS. She needs to disown DWS as soon as possible."

I guess the new meme is that DWS is doing a swell job being neutral because her performance represents the majority of carefully selected respondents in bought and paid for 'real' polls.

If so, I am proud to be among the banned. I think DWS is bad for the party, and on the erge of damaging it in irreversible ways. Any candidate who cares about the party should insist on her resignation. Only those obsessed with winning at all costs could still have confidence in DWS - as they are the only ones to enjoy DWS's support.

I'd be too moderate a person if I weren't banned. To be outspoken is to be banned? - Let me just take my gloves of...