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[liberalnarb]

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[mak3cats]

1. Even though I'm not a "Hillary hater,"...

...(as we Bernie supporters are always labeled), this was belly-laugh funny!! Thanks!

(I do have to admit that over time I find the similarities are getting more pronounced.)

[JackInGreen]

2. ....

Ones a facistic enabler of psychopaths and the others a fictional character?

Sry, couldn't resist. Cosmetics the only similarity i can see. Hillary isn't left enough, Delores was nutbar.

[TheBlackAdder]

3. Gender manipulation, based off of a woman's appearance, isn't cool though.

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Most of us are politically savvy, and we know that mentioning a woman's appearance drops their electability by 5%. We've seen this with Geraldine Ferraro, HRC's first run, and with Sarah Palin. Criticizing a man's appearance has no negative effects.


I took a university Women and Politics course, and this also casts the presenters in a bad light.


We're better than this. It's going to be used on the GOP side, so that says it's probably not a good practice.


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[mak3cats]

4. I don't think the meme is referring as much to similarities in appearance...

...as temperament. And it's a joke, after all.

[TheBlackAdder]

9. No, it makes fun of her hair, clothing, and other gendered elements.

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Whether as a 'joke' or not, the message delivery still has the same damaging effects to female candidates.


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[liberalnarb]

5. This has nothing to do with the fact that she is a woman.

I thought they looked similar because of the similar clothes and hair style.

[TheBlackAdder]

7. Not as a woman, but critical of her looks, which affects women's electability.

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Regardless of how this 'innocent' image is described, it has an impact with women that men do not experience.


Used in political cartoons for over a century and a half, with men and women.


(Hopefully, I won't get banned on the Bernie thread, like I got on the HRC one today, by posting a neutral entry.)



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[liberalnarb]

8. Everyone's looks are criticized. We need to have a thicker layer of skin.

Besides, it was a meaningless joke. Hair and clothing, that is all.eom.

[TheBlackAdder]

12. Gendered institutions goes beyond 'thicker skin'.

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Perhaps you could research some articles on this, especially from Rutgers Eagleton's CAWP site.


It's pretty enlightening. Those same 'jokes' were used with most every female candidate.
The researched fact that men are not affected by this, but women are, shows a split in societal views.

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[liberalnarb]

15. This doesn't have to do with gender.

For example: dick cheney and voldemort.
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Believe me this post is not going to affect how many people vote for her. Its harmless. Oh, one more!

[TheBlackAdder]

17. You miss the point. Men are not impacted by appearance comments, jokes and comparisons.

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The need to defend such actions is what I find remarkable.


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[liberalnarb]

18. I don't think this will affect Hillary either.

But, if you think a self-delete is necessary I will consider.

[mak3cats]

11. You're absolutely correct about the judging women based on appearance...

...but I really didn't see the meme that way. (And I'm female.)

However, that being said, if someone is not familiar with the Harry Potter movies, s/he wouldn't see anything but a comparison of their appearances, so you do make a valid point.

[TheBlackAdder]

16. Even complimenting a woman's looks has the same damaging effect as a criticism or joke. nt

[mak3cats]

19. I wouldn't know about that...

...I've only ever received the criticisms and jokes.

[liberalnarb]

6. Please don't accuse me of sexism or anything in between. I find it offensive.

[mak3cats]

13. I don't think Black Adder was accusing you...

...just making a point. See my post #11 - even though this is just a joke, perhaps you should consider self-deleting.

[TheBlackAdder]

20. No accusations, just reporting knowledge from a 300 level university politics course. nt

[demmiblue]

10. I agree. n/t

[Laffy Kat]

14. Me too. nt