Bernie Sanders
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Every poll outside establishment direction and control is a Bernie Sanders blowout. Where was the Hil support in the DFA membership vote? How about in the CWA union vote? Every online poll and every poll published for membership voting has been tremendously in favor of Bernie Sanders. EVERY union endorsement Hil has received has come from the Union Leadership and not through a membership vote. EVERY SINGLE ONE! That is establishment support, not membership support. Every debate poll, every focus group, everything outside the establishments cronyism and Narrative Creation leans exceedingly heavy toward Bernie Sanders.
What happened to ABCs millennial focus group last night? ABC introduced their focus group before the debate. Nobody has heard from them since.
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SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)how deep MSM is really involved in the obvious corruption in politics. Are they reporting the correct scientific numbers? Hmmmmmm
Sure makes ya wonder.
LiberalArkie
(15,730 posts)tecelote
(5,122 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Thank you for the link.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)At least in terms of direct "involvement."
The media today takes the absolute path of least resistance. it's just easier to fill air with press releases and keep recycling "leading stories" to the omission of everything else.
It's not that the media is colluding, it's that the media is lazy.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)They know who butters their bread for them and they know if they want to keep their cushy high paying job they have to please them. There are lots of pretty faces out there that can and will do what they are expected to do.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)And millions upon millions of people just accept it today.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)They can cheat enough to hide a 88% Bernie edge.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)AHEAD OF TIME that the result is the one 'everyone' predicted in the first place
HeartoftheMidwest
(309 posts)........times infinity.
questionseverything
(9,661 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,730 posts)Like someone young and important dies and they have to scramble to get an obit together. Bernie winning would be like Truman winning or Carter.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)They are all disaster capitalists, Hillary included.
Bernie Sanders is the ONLY genuine 'person' running.
In my view, Hillary is for Hillary. Bernie is for other human beings. Hillary WANTS to be president. Bernie is doing it out of service for other human beings.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Karma13612
(4,554 posts)reporting incorrect and accurate information with great irregularity so no one knows when they are telling the truth and when they are being dishonest.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)They stretched that into a 3 day story while limiting the data breach lawsuit to none day once it became apparent that the story would favor Sanders in the long run. How can anyone support this type of corruption.
HoneychildMooseMoss
(251 posts)and I do not want Hillary, no way, no how.
She pretends to be a progressive, while Bernie is the real deal.
I know Bernie will fight for my mother who is barely making it on Social Security, and for my sister, who is working at the post office and whose union is overwhelmingly in support of Sanders.
Hillary will fight for the moneyed interests that are supporting her.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I'm pro all other Democrats I have the chance to vote for, but I will not vote for Hillary.
Interesting to me. If Hillary's internal polls show she is losing in Iowa, it would explain why the DNC and Wasserman-Schultz would desperately try to embarrass Sanders.
It won't work. We all stand by Bernie.
HoneychildMooseMoss
(251 posts)She's become a die-hard Bernie fan and she said that she'd rather vote for a cartoon character than vote for Hillary.
My mother used to be a Hillary fan, but she has grown disillusioned with Hillary.
We hope Bernie can pull it out in Iowa.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)...count on it.
His supporters are highly motivated and they will show up at the caucus. I think the younger crowd and first-time caucus goers will vote in higher numbers than they did for Obama.
Sanders is within 5 of Hillary in the latest CBS/YouGov poll. That's absolutely mind blowing.
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)Bernie all the way.
My parents are in their late 70's and they are Bernie supporters. I met a couple in the Costco parking in their '80's driving a hybrid car with a Bernie sticker and I asked them if it was their sticker and they said yes.
After a long conversation we agreed that Bernie appeals to many in the over 50 age group.
Paka
(2,760 posts)I just heard from a friend of mine this morning who likes Bernie, but had bought into the lie that he can't win...she's now a believer that he can and must win. She's an over 50 woman, by the way.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)like when I first voted eons ago. Exactly as you say, "Bernie is the real deal."
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)"Check the demographics and the methodology in every individual poll"
I hadn't seen the above until just now but commented on this very thing in the PPP and Emerson polls today.
I've seen it a lot in the age demographics - they tend to tilt heavily to 65+/older people where Hillary does better and take away from the young folks where Bernie does better. It has a significant impact. In the PPP poll (who have been contracted before by Hillary's PAC), it makes Hillary look better against the GOP than Bernie. When you adjust for demographics using projection, my guess is that it would flip the results - I did the favorability and Bernie improved 8pts while Hillary would fall about that.
This has been going on a lot. I'm no expert like the Iowa manager but it's bugged me for many weeks. I've been a little shocked as the pollsters know better. But at this point, we're too far out from any election for anyone to prove they've got their thumb on the scale.
Having said that, I don't have tons of confidence in the polling one way or the other.
And some of the Hillary supporters try to justify the age demographics! That other thread we were in, a well known poster completely distorted math to arrive at the result she wanted. And showed also she had no idea what a MoE was. These are very interesting times we live in...
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)...and I am in Iowa too.
I really need to get to know this Iowa precinct captain! I have a feeling that we'd have a lot to chat about!
If any of you want an accurate poll--Ann Selzer's Iowa Poll. She is the gold standard. She'll be releasing another poll toward the end of January. CBS used the same scientifically accurate polling methods as Selzer does, and their poll showed Clinton up by 5.
I have died laughing at the details about the polling methods in Monmoth, PPP and others. They are a JOKE. Monmouth had Hillary up by 30 points in Iowa. They didn't poll anyone who was younger than 25 (because they polled only those who had caucused in 2008 or 2012). 69 percent of the people they polled were over the age of 45. I mean...seriously!
It's a joke.
If you want to know whether or not a poll is a joke--compare it to Selzer's results, or the new CBS poll.
They think we're stupid, people!
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)a lot of Americans are stupid. They see the polls and hear that someone has no chance...and that's it for them; even if they liked Bernie's message they give up. That is why it is important to do outreach and actually know what the situation is on the ground, through real polling like Selzer.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)people doubt the polls. And it will make people start looking even closer at Bernie.
SamKnause
(13,110 posts)I have a land line/no cell phone.
I have never been polled by the Democratic party.
I support Bernie 100%.
I vote once in all the internet polls that support Bernie and his positions.
I have watched all the debates and forums of both parties.
Who will vote for Bernie ???
"Nobody But The People" !!!!
n8dogg83
(248 posts)huge margins are nonsense. As CoffeeCat pointed out in another post, if Hillary were the runaway favorite to win Iowa, why is she only getting a fraction of the crowd sizes at her rallies as Bernie is?
Clinton
200 attendees--"Fighting for Us" Town Hall in Ft. Dodge, Iowa (12/4) Source: ABC News
350 attendees--"Fighting For Us" Town Hall in Waterloo, Iowa (12/9) Source: Waterloo Courier
250 attendees_"Fighting For Us" Town Hall in Urbandale Iowa (12/9) Source: Radio Iowa
Sanders
2000 attendees--Sanders Town Meeting in Dubuque, Iowa (12/12) Overflow crowd Source: Radio Iowa
1500 attendees--Sanders Town Meeting in Waterloo, Iowa (12/12) Standing-room only. Source: Waterloo Courier
1125 attendees--Sanders Town Hall in Mt. Vernon, Iowa (12/13)
That's a GLARING difference that shows you the level of enthusiasm for Bernie vs that for Hillary. Im willing to make a prediction right now. You can write it down to rub it in my face if im wrong. My prediction is that Bernie will win handily in Iowa, and the closer the gap between he and Hillary in the polls, the larger the landslide he will have in the caucuses.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Isn't Urbandale right outside Des Moines? Hillary should draw a bigger crowd than that in the Des Moines area.
Where is Mt. Vernon?
Scuba
(53,475 posts)You don't have to live in Iowa to help phone bank for Bernie in Iowa by contacting this guy ...
Leo Atkinson; Council Bluffs field organizer, 484-767-1559 leoatkinson@berniesanders.com
All you need is a phone, fingers to press the buttons and a bit of time. Leo will provide the rest.
leftcoastmountains
(2,968 posts)stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)Even so, we still have to fight as hard as we can for Bernie.
I have little to no faith in our election system though.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)THAT really worries me.
We are fighting the oligarchy. They will stop at nothing... nothing.
I believe they are scared shitless that they actually could lose and will do anything to see that doesn't happen.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)the primary you have to steal individual states.
n8dogg83
(248 posts)caucus, where people actually interact with each other and convince their fellow caucus goers to support their candidate. No computers to hack. But I do share your concern about voting machines. We just have to turn out in such great numbers that there will be no doubt even if they try to rig the election.
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)about NH and IA. It's almost SHOWTIME!!!!
sonofspy777
(360 posts)maybe some of the TRULY OBNOXIOUS ones for
HRC will g away after we blow them away in the only
polls that count...The PRIMARIES !
mnhtnbb
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Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Folkin' uh-may-zin' as my Irish friends would say
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)on this board consists, more of less, of petulant identity-politicians whose arguments consist of the political equivalent of middle-school playground taunts.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)This is the Bernie Sanders group! I cannot believe it got two HIDE IT votes.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Where did THAT one come from?
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)WTF?
QC
(26,371 posts)Yes, this is the guy who has been getting all Norma Desmond about people saying mean things on websites!
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)discussions of whether specific DUers really qualify as persons of color or not, transphobia, you name it.
That crowd is uglier than the devil's taint.
katmondoo
(6,457 posts)Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)cannabis_flower
(3,768 posts)you are posting in the Bernie Sanders group, what would you expect?
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Hillary's entire campaign is based one big manipulation to convince the public that she's inevitable. Rigged polls. Rigged media coverage. A rigged campaign with the DNC pulling the strings along the way.
And her supporters wonder why there are more of us?
There were never that many of them, ever.
I have always found the Hillary illusions very curious. So, in the end--you don't have the polls, and you don't have the support or the volunteers or the enthusiasm. Isn't that going to be a gross embarrassment when you don't have supporters caucusing for you or people voting for you?
Take for instance these laughable polls that have Hillary ahead in Iowa by 30 points. I mean..seriously. What happens when her entire campaign (polls, hot-air media illusions, DNC favoritism) is revealed for the farce that it is?
And you can't steal a caucus! One of the reasons I love our system.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)The overall Media Collusion with the top leadership of a dominant party ends democracy.
But although democracy may be ended, the MIC and Surveillance State doesn't care about democracy - they care that they have their puppet in office.
This is a two pronged approach.
Examine how it is that George W got his re-election to become the law of the land in Nov 2004:
Andrew Card, Chief of Staff to President George W Bush, may well live to regret his announcements at 5 AM on Nov. 3rd. But at the time he was exultant at what the voting machines had wrought. His voice rang out resonant and a tad bit festive, happily victorious, "I'm Andy Card. I am President Bush's chief of staff. We are convinced that President Bush has won re-election with at least 286 electoral college votes. And he also had a margin of more than three and a half million votes. President Bush's decisive margin of victory makes this the first Presidential election since 1988 in which the winner received a majority of the popular vote. And that in this election, President Bush received more votes than any other presidential candidate in the history of our country. In Ohio, the President has a lead of at least 136,000 votes. The Secretary of State's office has informed us that this margin is statistically insurmountable. So President Bush has won the state of Ohio."
What did Andrew Card know that John Kerry did not? Card knew who Kerry's real opponent was. Kerry thought his opponent in this election was George W. Bush. His real opponent was the rigged voting machines. If we the people of the United States possessed an election system with the integrity of Canada's paper ballot and pencil system, Kerry would be President. He was defeated by a modern technology so tamper friendly that major alterations to any district's vote tally could be made within 90 seconds and without leaving a trace.
It is not only that there was rampant vote tampering during the 2004 election process. Rather what needs to be carefully held to the light is how Bush's Chief of Staff, Andy Card, did something no other chief of staff had ever done - he announced to the major media the result of the nation's election before the votes were counted.
Did the Major Media outlets all say in response to his announcement: "Wait a minute. There are over 200,000 uncounted votes in Ohio alone. And those votes are mostly in Democratic strongholds, and they number enough to throw the election to John Kerry." ??
No of course not! Not a single Talking Head spoke out like that. If the George W White House itself wanted to announce that they had won, well, why bother debating it!. Kerry was slated to lose, and it was important to make sure he lost before anyone realized maybe the election stunk to high heaven.
And then the Republicans utilized the same tactics in 2012. In that year, Ron Paul, an extremely popular GOP contender for the WH, when he started to make heavy inroads against Mitt Romney in the primaries that year, once again the victories were handed out via announcement. "We leaders of the Party announce the winner!"
Once again the Primary tallies in Iowa and New Hampshire and then all across the country were simply announced! Mitt won handily in all those many primaries, and the fact remains -
the winner of a Presidential contest and the winner of the Primary contests is always going to be the person who is announced as being the winner!
If you want Bernie to win, you and I and everyone who cares has to figure out a way around this!
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Sanders is obviously the more strategic choice.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)whatthehey
(3,660 posts)When you are polling for primary voters it kinda makes sense to filter for....primary voters. The outcome will likely depend on if turnout among erstwhile non-primary voters can be generated.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)Some may see the reality a bit earlier though.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)Signatures for Bernie to be on the ballot. Indiana could very well be a factor in the primary as we were in 2008 for Obama
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)because in reality there really is only "a few".
Karma13612
(4,554 posts)I am over 50, female, college educated, one of the low-end 99%% er and am totally for Bernie.
I meet all of the criteria to be voting for her according to the 3 criteria you highlight, but I am not.
Hahaha!!
this is so funny!!
Uncle Joe
(58,433 posts)Thanks for the thread, LiberalArkie.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)this something a precinct caption should keep within the campaign?
But as many have said here,the Clinton campsign had this info within their own internal polling and therefore
the reason DWS and the Clinton
Campsign tried to sabatage the Sanders campaign.
Obviously the Obama campaign kept their polling data a little more secretive in 2008.
LiberalArkie
(15,730 posts)being leaked to Clinton by an "error" by NGP-VAN.
Nitram
(22,892 posts)Did Clinton staffers perform queries on another campaign's proprietary voter data?
LiberalArkie
(15,730 posts)searches using Bernies data and queries. NGP-VAN and the DNC said it could not happen back in October, but it would happen at random times. Bernies data director then went to try and prove to NGP-VAN and the DNC that it did happen by deliberately doing a search on HRC data and saved that data on the DNC servers with filenames indicating that it was Bernies group that did it. And that was where everything blew up.
The law suit goes back to a 2008 event where a candidates data was (perhaps data-leaked) leaked to the Clinton. I do not believe the stated whose data it was though. I personally believe it was Obamas data.
A data leak during a database query is when you are searching the database using certain parameters and you receive back proper results along with results that do not match your criteria.
When a person goes online to look at their banking data and you query the banks database. Your search parameters are your account number and a date range. Now a data leak (how they are referring to it) occurs when you might get a record or more from someone else account or maybe a few records from a different year or month. Now trying to prove that you keep getting incorrect information to your bank is a problem when overtime they check it, it looks fine. If you pull up your bank data and it has someone elses data and you show it to someone, that is against the law because you accessed someone elses account. But you did not do it, the software allowed it to happen.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)have a landline and cell phone. I have never been called by a pollster for any campaign. I also stopped being a die-hard Democrat many years ago - when, I didn't leave the Party, the Party left me- during the first Clilnton's presidency.
Pastiche423
(15,406 posts)I stand with the Veterans for Peace with our dove flags and signs. We stand on Hwy 101 (where we put up the Bernie Shave signs).
Out of the 12 of us, 6 are women ages 61 to 86. Most of us had to re-register as Democrats so that we can vote for BERNIE!
And all 12 of us are voting for BERNIE!
retrowire
(10,345 posts)belty
(14 posts)I find that my greatest resistance from POC seems to come from the 55+ group (ie. my 77 y/o Mother and Father) They don't know Bernie but clearly remember the Clinton administration. I also think their apathy towards Bernie is due to much of what Bernie is supporting. They perceive Bernie's platform as no longer relevant to their lives, especially now that they have retired. Plus, my parents are as stubborn as hell. I suspect, much like Obama at this time during his 2008 campaign, if momentum is for Bernie, they will be more open to his ideas. They will vote DEMOCRAT no matter what.
merrily
(45,251 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Awesome post, as it's important to keep remembering just how 'rigged' the election is, from the media,
to the debate scheduling, and even many of these 'professional' polls .. But Bernie keeps tacking into
the fierce headwinds and keeps gaining more and more momentum with each passing day.
Great to see a link from JackpineRadicals too.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)nyabingi
(1,145 posts)a fundamental rethinking of what its media establishment has become and face that reality.
For all intents and purposes, our corporate-owned media are the spokespeople for their respective employees, not organizations dedicated to bringing information to the public. Whatever their employers desire (in this case, a Hillary Clinton presidency) our media is going to do whatever they can to bring their employers' wishes to reality. None of these "journalists" wants to risk their jobs and income by going against the wishes of their bosses (as in any job).
Before a handful of corporations and wealthy individuals bought up our media establishment, our politicians were afraid of the media and dreaded having to answer their questions. Not so today. Our mainstream media simply acts as the unquestioning middle man to pass on whatever information they're given - they don't investigate or question that information.
This is why I think it's vitality important to our democracy and government transparency for independent journalists (i.e., those who aren't owned by a big corporation) to have greater and expanded access to our lawmakers, and why we should support them financially. Independently-financed reporters and investigative journalists won't feel afraid to dig around in the dirt for fear of being fired or blacklisted. I think Glenn Greenwald's "The Intercept" is doing a good job of investigative journalism and we should all support sites similar to it.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)Last edited Tue Dec 22, 2015, 10:04 PM - Edit history (1)
.I don't even see how she's a great model for breaking the glass ceiling. She would be nowhere without Bill. She came up only through affiliation with a powerful man.
Important for girls and women to have a completely different model of getting through the glass.
Obama's break through was the real deal. Hers is not, IMO.