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merrily

(45,251 posts)
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 07:30 AM Dec 2015

The simple truth: The people with lots of money don't want leftist government.

The people with money control the media and a number of other things that the 99% don't control, which things are very useful in winning elections and controlling politicians.

Unless and until you find a way impact the prior two sentences, the transfer of wealth to the top 10% will continue.



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The simple truth: The people with lots of money don't want leftist government. (Original Post) merrily Dec 2015 OP
If the Obscenely Wealthy didn't want a Leftist Government Proserpina Dec 2015 #1
What good would leaving you alone do them? merrily Dec 2015 #2
Two words: French shave Proserpina Dec 2015 #3
Ooooh! The newest model Oligarch Processor. Fuddnik Dec 2015 #4
Would an LOL! here be too macabre? merrily Dec 2015 #33
How serious a threat does that seem to the likes of Gates, Koch, et al.? merrily Dec 2015 #7
More serious than a heart attack Proserpina Dec 2015 #12
When was the last time a rich person in the US died of a heart attack? merrily Dec 2015 #16
Past performance is no indication of future Proserpina Dec 2015 #21
? Past performance is one of the strongest predictors of future behavior. merrily Dec 2015 #23
I don't think they're too terribly worried about it, honestly. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2015 #13
I don't think so, either. merrily Dec 2015 #17
Le Mssr GUILOTINE! JackInGreen Dec 2015 #15
No there is a lot more for them to take. zeemike Dec 2015 #30
They already bought this one. Doctor_J Dec 2015 #45
Greed is not even hidden anymore. tecelote Dec 2015 #5
Of what use are morals to plutocrats? merrily Dec 2015 #8
Good point. tecelote Dec 2015 #10
Greed not even hidden on DU Divernan Dec 2015 #9
I am positive I know who this is, and I have him on ignore. He is gross. stillwaiting Dec 2015 #14
Exactly. It's not wealth that is the issue, but greed. merrily Dec 2015 #18
That one can't be missed, he's insufferable and not clever at all. appalachiablue Dec 2015 #47
Precisely Sherman A1 Dec 2015 #20
In recent years, we've heard a fair amount of contempt merrily Dec 2015 #24
This may very well be our last opportunity SmittynMo Dec 2015 #6
It was never our democracy to take back, sulphurdunn Dec 2015 #29
I agree. Moreover, it's not democracy, nor was it ever intended to be. merrily Dec 2015 #34
That's generally the reason why there are Democrats LuvNewcastle Dec 2015 #11
Sanders' economic policies were radical in the US in 1902. merrily Dec 2015 #19
They like the status quo. LuvNewcastle Dec 2015 #22
Amen..... daleanime Dec 2015 #31
Know Thy Enemy - Oligarchs, Corporations, Banks And Their Media Minions And MIC Henchmen cantbeserious Dec 2015 #25
Yes, including their legislative enablers, aiders and abettors. merrily Dec 2015 #26
That's not true oberliner Dec 2015 #27
You're mistaken. "Plenty of people" who control media and politicians are not for Sanders. merrily Dec 2015 #32
That's not what I claimed oberliner Dec 2015 #40
You claimed the OP is untrue. The OP is very short. It speaks of people who control media and pols. merrily Dec 2015 #42
Yes, and they are viewed as betrayers of their class lostnfound Dec 2015 #35
Who in the 1% has been backing Sanders? merrily Dec 2015 #37
Steve Wozniak and Will Ferrell spring to mind oberliner Dec 2015 #39
controlling media and politicians? merrily Dec 2015 #41
Exceptions to the rule. smokey nj Dec 2015 #43
K&R nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #28
I've often wondered if Turbineguy Dec 2015 #36
Sure. Same as here in 1776. Not only aristocrats, either. merrily Dec 2015 #38
And the Clinton supporters Doctor_J Dec 2015 #44
Some of the same people who condemned her the most soundly in 2008 now claim she just about merrily Dec 2015 #48
yes check out my sig. And then there is Steven Doctor_J Dec 2015 #49
LOL! I had not noticed your sig line before posting to you. merrily Dec 2015 #50
I got mine, F U. PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #46
Ha, ha, joke's on you! My initials are not F U. merrily Dec 2015 #51
 

Proserpina

(2,352 posts)
1. If the Obscenely Wealthy didn't want a Leftist Government
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 07:54 AM
Dec 2015

(meaning one in which they pay taxes commensurate with their wealth, and live under majority rule) then they should have been supporting the New Deal, not tearing it down.

Alternatively, they could go buy a small nation, if they can find one of sufficient elevation, and leave us alone.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
2. What good would leaving you alone do them?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 07:58 AM
Dec 2015

Granted, the 90% don't have a hell of a lot left for the 1% to take, but the 1% seem to want the paltry remnants anyway.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
16. When was the last time a rich person in the US died of a heart attack?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:14 AM
Dec 2015

When was the last time a rich person in the US died because of a people's revolution?

 

Proserpina

(2,352 posts)
21. Past performance is no indication of future
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:24 AM
Dec 2015

That's why black swan events happen

You can survive a heart attack, with medical treatment

merrily

(45,251 posts)
23. ? Past performance is one of the strongest predictors of future behavior.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:33 AM
Dec 2015

However, the question was how worried are rich people about a people's revolution. I don't think they are at all worried or their behavior would be very different..

I don't want to go too far down the road of heart attacks, because their correlation to a people's revolution is nil. However, since you brought them up...http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/guide/sudden-cardiac-death

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
30. No there is a lot more for them to take.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:56 AM
Dec 2015

There is the land itself. And there is lots of it owned in common in parks, and federal lands to be had.
Imagine what a feather in your cap it would be if your corporation owned the Grand Canyon.

It won't be over for them until we have feudalism, where the kings own all land and the peps live on it at their pleasure
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tecelote

(5,122 posts)
5. Greed is not even hidden anymore.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 08:21 AM
Dec 2015

They despise us.

From one angle we are only part of the equation when it comes to earning more money. The smaller part of the equation we can be, the better.

From another angle, every part of our lives are tied to their profits from birth to death.

They will even wage wars for profit now. They have no moral compass. They are craven.

We, as Americans, need to elect Bernie for the good of the whole world.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
9. Greed not even hidden on DU
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 08:34 AM
Dec 2015

There's one particularly obnoxious, nouveau riche, HRC booster who bragged repeatedly about how wealthy he was, that he drove a Ferrari, that he dined with rich and important Democrats, and finally how much he'd donated. He was pretty thoroughly schooled and embarrassed on that last topic and since then has dialed it way back re his personal wealth.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
14. I am positive I know who this is, and I have him on ignore. He is gross.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 08:55 AM
Dec 2015

Wish he did not feel comfortable within the Democratic Party, but the fact he does says it all for the battle we have ahead of us.

Smug, self-satisfied, greedy assholes should not feel comfortable within the Democratic Party. And, I, for one, will do everything I can to not make them feel welcome.


SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
6. This may very well be our last opportunity
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 08:30 AM
Dec 2015

to start the "undoing" of what the 1% has corrupted and built over the past 50 years, with crooked politicians in their back pockets.

Let's take our democracy back!!!!!

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
29. It was never our democracy to take back,
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:53 AM
Dec 2015

not from its inception and not now. Our democracy has always been representative of the disagreements of the wealthy over how to best to protect and increase their wealth. The people have only served to add their weight to one side or the other. The only times I can think of that the rich were frightened of the people was at the end of WWI with the rise of the Soviet Union and the American socialist movement, again during the Great Depression, and later after WWII and the start of the Cold War. Most social progress in the 20th century was made in reaction to fear of Soviet Russia. Since its fall, Wall Street has feared nothing, least of all the American people.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
34. I agree. Moreover, it's not democracy, nor was it ever intended to be.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 10:47 AM
Dec 2015

Our form of government is a Republic, like Ancient Rome, not a democracy, like Ancient Greece. In the USA now, most citizens have a right to vote, but that is suffrage, which is a separate issue from which form of government we have. When the Constitution was adopted, only about 6% of those living in the newly constituted USA had a right to vote.

LuvNewcastle

(16,843 posts)
11. That's generally the reason why there are Democrats
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 08:41 AM
Dec 2015

who prefer Clinton to Sanders -- they're economic conservatives. Some of them talk about how left economics isn't enough. What they really mean is that Bernie's economics are too far left for them. They usually won't mention that, though. There are a lot of economic conservatives on this board because there are a number of affluent people here.

LuvNewcastle

(16,843 posts)
22. They like the status quo.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:33 AM
Dec 2015

If you're happy with the way things have been going economically, then Hillary is your candidate. She's being paid to make sure we don't see any serious changes on that front. Sanders is the candidate for people who are in trouble, which is most of the country. Anyone who is happy with the general trend of the economy since the 1980's should be supporting Hillary. If you don't see a future for yourself if things continue this way, Sanders is the candidate for you.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
26. Yes, including their legislative enablers, aiders and abettors.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:41 AM
Dec 2015

Remember, most of what has been done to the 90% has been done legally.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
27. That's not true
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:43 AM
Dec 2015

There are plenty of people with lots of money who are very much in support of the Bernie Sanders campaign.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
32. You're mistaken. "Plenty of people" who control media and politicians are not for Sanders.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 10:00 AM
Dec 2015

That should be self evident from results. Also, my OP is not limited to Sanders, even though, yes, this is the Sanders Group.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
40. That's not what I claimed
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:29 PM
Dec 2015

I claimed that there are plenty of wealthy people who support Sanders and there are.

For example:

Apple Co-Founder Steve Wozniak Tweets Support For Bernie Sanders

Steve Wozniak, the man who co-founded Apple with Steve Jobs and Ronald Wayne, appeared to tweet his support for presidential candidate Bernie Sanders early Tuesday.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/steve-wozniak-bernie-sanders_55e59df0e4b0c818f61904de

He has a net worth of about $100 million.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
42. You claimed the OP is untrue. The OP is very short. It speaks of people who control media and pols.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:31 PM
Dec 2015

One or two or even twenty are not "plenty of people, either.

BTW, why are posting in the Bernie Sanders Group? He is not your primary candidate.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
39. Steve Wozniak and Will Ferrell spring to mind
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:27 PM
Dec 2015

There are also a lot of other wealthy folks who support him across the entertainment industry, for instance.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
44. And the Clinton supporters
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:12 PM
Dec 2015

I doubt all of them are rich, but they really don't want uhc, strong public schools, free college tuition, strong unions, and Pentagon cuts. Between their right leaning politics and their strong conviction that we have to have a female president right now, they no longer think like democrats.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
48. Some of the same people who condemned her the most soundly in 2008 now claim she just about
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:23 AM
Dec 2015

walks on water.

Somehow, I don't believe people authentically evolve that much in eight years.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
50. LOL! I had not noticed your sig line before posting to you.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 04:03 AM
Dec 2015

I don't know how strange it is, though. Obama was the chosen in 2008 and Hillary is the chosen in 2016.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
51. Ha, ha, joke's on you! My initials are not F U.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 04:05 AM
Dec 2015

Oh.

Got it. Welfare is for the very rich. Austerity is for the rest of us. Every day is Festivus!

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