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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 10:38 AM Jan 2016

Why Going Negative on Bernie Sanders Never Works

by Taylor Gipple

After seeing polling trends continue to rise, it seems as though Hillary Clinton has become more aggressive in "attacking" Bernie Sanders throughout the last couple weeks. Don't say this too loud, but a note to the Clinton camp if they intend to get more aggressive: going negative on Bernie Sanders has never worked and has always backfired on his opponents.

After reading a few biographies, Outsider in the White House and Why Bernie Sanders Matters, which tell the history of Bernie Sanders and his previous elections, I've deduced this firm conclusion.

Bernie Sanders is seen as an anti-politician because he has a long history of being an Independent, doesn't look or act like a politician, and spouts ideas that don't instantly appear as "mainstream." However, if you look at Sanders's history, you will see he has already participated in 20 elections throughout his life. You read that right. Twenty elections. Now, he did not win all of these (14/20), but batting .700 is pretty good.

After reading about the outcomes of these 20 elections, it was clear that whenever a Sanders's opponent would go negative against him, it would backfire and Sanders would end up winning the election.

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Why Going Negative on Bernie Sanders Never Works (Original Post) n2doc Jan 2016 OP
The cool part was SmittynMo Jan 2016 #1
Exactly. tazkcmo Jan 2016 #3
Hillary's hubbie set the standard... Wounded Bear Jan 2016 #14
And sending out Chelsea to do her dirty work...I know she's an adult an all, but she's a libdem4life Jan 2016 #2
Next, they'll try to send this little fella to slander Sanders! Helen Borg Jan 2016 #15
Only because Sanders wants to dismantle his leg! mhatrw Jan 2016 #19
No they won't. I'll puppysit to make sure. Cutey Pie for sure. libdem4life Jan 2016 #20
It is sad that a Democrat should be attacked by another Dem for declaring the healthcare is a right, Doctor_J Jan 2016 #4
And going negative is their ONLY weapon. Good luck!! FlatBaroque Jan 2016 #5
Negative is one thing. Dishonest is another. merrily Jan 2016 #6
Amazing n2doc Jan 2016 #7
She talks in riddles. Nothing you can really "pin on her" when it changes. But Chelsea does not libdem4life Jan 2016 #21
Seriously? Nyan Jan 2016 #9
Yes, seriously. merrily Jan 2016 #12
And more important - she has no videos of him saying jwirr Jan 2016 #18
A very Rovian attack The Blue Flower Jan 2016 #8
Kickin' Faux pas Jan 2016 #10
I read Outsider in the White House. You are absolutely right. thereismore Jan 2016 #11
Imagine if that actually caught on? Saviolo Jan 2016 #13
I've witnessed a few campaigns in my day... Wounded Bear Jan 2016 #16
It would be revolutionary indeed. nt thereismore Jan 2016 #17
You mean like in Norway? Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #22
I will admit to being ignorant Saviolo Jan 2016 #23
The more negative he goes the more money and support he raises Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #24

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
1. The cool part was
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 10:43 AM
Jan 2016

he did nothing to provoke this latest slam against him. And this one will definitely bite the HRC clan in the ass.

Bernie sticks to the facts, and speaks from his heart. He plays a very good game.

tazkcmo

(7,419 posts)
3. Exactly.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 10:48 AM
Jan 2016

Your last two sentences nail his effectiveness. Agree or disagree with his stance, you know it's based in fact and not spin.

Wounded Bear

(64,635 posts)
14. Hillary's hubbie set the standard...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:17 PM
Jan 2016

when he focused on "It's the economy, stupid." She should know better.

That is basically Bernie's message, and it should work, because that is what really needs working on in our country.

We'll never get the Trump-lodytes to come around, because they are terminally stupid, but Bernie really is talking to the soft center of the American electorate. It sounds like some of the M$M press is coming around. If he gets heard, Bernie will prevail.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
2. And sending out Chelsea to do her dirty work...I know she's an adult an all, but she's a
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 10:46 AM
Jan 2016

political neophyte. You start out in local races and put together your version of politics. Back to her 1% life.
That couple definitely has two sets of, um, unique parents.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
4. It is sad that a Democrat should be attacked by another Dem for declaring the healthcare is a right,
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 10:51 AM
Jan 2016

especially when the entire rest of the world knows this. that's why I don't think the party will be viable much longer. the faction that supports the corporations and MIC will eventually win due to their advantage in money and media. However, voters who believe the things that Bernie believes are not going to stick with the party forever when they are not getting any representation from the DLC/Turd Way group.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
6. Negative is one thing. Dishonest is another.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 10:55 AM
Jan 2016

This morning, on the Today Show, for example, Hillary claimed that Bernie was dismissive of equal pay for women. He's been talking about that for months. It's part of his standard stump speech. It was also in his ad, the ad that aired right after the Today Show. d

Does she not realize there is video of his stump speeches? That his ads air on TV?

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
7. Amazing
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 10:58 AM
Jan 2016

She must believe that giving the voters an honest comparison would result in her losing. So she has to make up shit, just like the Repubs are doing.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
21. She talks in riddles. Nothing you can really "pin on her" when it changes. But Chelsea does not
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 03:20 PM
Jan 2016

have that down quite yet.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
18. And more important - she has no videos of him saying
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:54 PM
Jan 2016

anything of the sort. One of our memes here is that we should document our statements - Hillary document you claims please.

The Blue Flower

(6,593 posts)
8. A very Rovian attack
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 11:09 AM
Jan 2016

Going after Bernie on one of his biggest strengths with his supporters--single payer. It's just too transparent these days to work.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
11. I read Outsider in the White House. You are absolutely right.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 11:52 AM
Jan 2016

I am not worried about Bernie making a slip on the trail. He is a seasoned campaigner. Being behind in polls is not unusual for him. He never aired a negative ad in his life. He knows that, ultimately, that is the best approach. His tactic is not throwing money into TV ads. His number one tactic is a painstakingly slow but effective process of meeting people, talking to people, and having his volunteers knock on people's doors and doing phone banking. It has worked for him time and time again in Vermont. Now he is trying to apply the same tactic nationwide.

Saviolo

(3,321 posts)
13. Imagine if that actually caught on?
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:13 PM
Jan 2016

That negative ads were deemed as less effective than stating your own platform and policies?

That treating other candidates poorly was considered a losing campaign strategy?

That lies, race baiting, xenophobia, violent rhetoric, and general hatred didn't work?

The discourse would change overnight!


.... a guy can dream, right?

Wounded Bear

(64,635 posts)
16. I've witnessed a few campaigns in my day...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:21 PM
Jan 2016

quite a few, actually. My recollection is that it is pretty simple, actually. If the campaign is about issues, Dems win, big. If the RWers and the M$M make it about personalities and soft crap like 'family values' the Repubs will have an unfair edge. Unfair because it's all smoke and mirrors of course, they don't give a shit about families. Maybe about 'la Familia,' but not about American families.

Bernie continues to focus on issues and solutions. What he needs is traction with our dysfunctional mediabots.

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