I just unsubscribed from Bernie emails and Twitter feed.

[Cattledog]

I have been on his list since 2016 but as soon as Joe Biden announced I have gotten official emails attacking Joe & Twitter responses saying if Biden gets the nomination they're doing a write-in.

[barbtries]

1. i've been deleting him too

for same reasons. his team plays dirty i don't like it. plus he's running on ego and i'm so tired of him.

[olegramps]

46. I only support people who are faithful Democrats, that leaves him out.

[trueblue2007]

76. I AGREE WITH 500%. YOU SAID: I only support people who are faithful Democrats, that leaves him out.

I DON'T SUPPORT PEOPLE WHO TRASH OTHER CANDIDATES.

[Baconator]

166. You are in for a rough year then...

[Sunlei]

170. Sanders ALWAYS votes with the D party & called for ALL to register /w D party.

Been a Loyal, hard working! Senator for many years.

How pure do you need a man to be before you'd at least TRUST a little that he's not out to wreck our democracy?

[olegramps]

174. Simply put: His tariff and trade treaty policies that mimick Trumps disaster.

[onit2day]

179. Not even close. Bernie's policies bring jobs back so corporations don't off shore 4 cheap labor

Making it cheaper just to make products here at home than off shore 'em and import their products back here to sell cheaper. His tariffs would end this race to the bottom for cheaper labor. BTW...no other candidate did a weekly town hall for years so we could ask him any question long before Hillary or his decision to run for president which is why so many of us know where he stands as he has always been steadfast and dedicated to work for the people. Those of us who have followed him for years trust and love him and his policies. He is a uniter and will easily win the election if he becomes our candidate.

[ehrnst]

205. Automation is the cause of 50% of loss of manufacturing jobs. That can't be addressed with tarrifs

as we've seen with Trump's attempts to do this.

Politicians all over the country have been holding town halls for decades, some of which turn out well, others not so much.

Hillary's listening tours went all over the country. Bernie was a career politician years before Hillary became one. When did he do "weekly town halls" - after he went to DC in the early 90's? I hadn't heard anything about that.

I'm concerned that Sanders idea of "steadfast' is more of an indication of not wanting to listen to anyone who disagrees with him even when they have new information, and doesn't think he has anything to learn.

Emotional intelligence and the intellectual agility needed to process new information as it's received are basic characteristics needed for an effective POTUS.

[seta1950]

175. Yes

Totally agree with you

[CaptYossarian]

56. His "team" may be playing for Russia, in Russia.

That's the feeling I got in '16 when they were bashing Hillary, trying to divide and conquer us Dems. There was even one lady who defended Julian Assange, saying his Swedish rape accusations were thrown out. It all looked too hinky to me.


It isn't Bernie--it's Vladimir. It isn't Burlington--it's St. Petersburg (Russia).

[barbtries]

75. if that's the case,

and he's not screaming to the rooftops about it, he's no better than trump. i don't know. it's enough for me that i really don't like him anymore, he shouldn't be running, just all the way over him.

[trueblue2007]

77. when they were bashing Hillary, trying to divide and conquer us Dems. BERNIE DID THIS.

SO DID HIS SUPPORTERS. It won't happen this time. I will delete trashers of our Dems --- on Facebook and Twitter.
I will report Trashers to DEM and let the media know about it.

[onit2day]

178. Yet here you are bashing one of our leading candidates.

[CaptYossarian]

196. I'm glad you didn't think I was bashing Bernie.

These seemed to be Russian or Macedonian bots taking over or setting up supposed "pro-Bernie" groups on FB. When all they did was b*tch about Bill & Hillary, I walked. It became too evident what their intentions were.

I was pissed over what Wasserman-Schultz did, but my main objective was not to let that bastard Trump win.

[Cha]

210. Nah.. BS is being

criticized.

[Mr Tibbs]

188. That's not what Mueller said in 2018

He said that Russians were posing as Sanders supporters and attacking Hillary supporters. The Russians did the same thing to Blacks in 2016, pretending to be activists.

https://observer.com/2017/04/russia-bots-bernie-sanders-progressives/

[ehrnst]

193. The Observer? Really?

You got to a RW source for information on Russian interference?

[Sunlei]

168. Can see by this OP & post how those fake tweets sway people. Be worse in a year or more.

Notice how twitter 'removed' 2 million of trump follower accounts because they were fake paid media accounts.


2 million accounts spamming " divide and conquer" propaganda worked VERY WELL to divide Ds in 2016.

[onit2day]

114. Prove it. Show us the email

[barbtries]

115. sorry, no email.

tweets.

[Indygram]

159. Sanders's campaign was in the Mueller report surrounded by redcations from ongoing investigations

And the Russian trolls and bots on twitter have been pushing Bernie just as hard as they push Trump. His legitimate supporters don't seem to notice or realize they have been getting manipulated all this time into attacking, bashing and being overly critical and even at times dishonest about other candidates on social media. Those who didn't support him noticed it and that is why there is the level of animosity related to Sanders. He hasn't spoken up and that comes across as highly sketchy. I think as people who support him begin to see this same thing they begin to move to other candidates. There are plenty of better choices...ones that Russian bots and trolls aren't pushing.

For the record...if Bernie had ever actually come out and spoken to his supporters about how they were targeted then I think a lot of people would have given him the benefit of the doubt. He hasn't, though, and there is really only one reason that makes sense as to why he wouldn't. Ask yourself what that might be.

[Sunlei]

169. There is no email...OP was 'fooled' by some tweet on twitter.

[StClone]

184. Agreed

There is a rough road ahead if Dems go ballistic on their own. Bernie is running as a Dem and he can air his concern over how he sees the Party. I've been on DU for over 15 years and have seen this sheet show before.

[George II]

197. See post #194 for an example.

[Cha]

198. No the OP wasn't "fooled".

[George II]

194. One was posted on DU here, side by side with Kamala Harris' email right about the same time, when...

.....Biden announced. Quite a contrast.

Link to tweet

/photo/1

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=90346

[onit2day]

119. I disagree with everything you say. I've been donating to him.He speaks the truth

[George II]

2. It's a shame it has to deteriorate to this so soon. So much for that "pledge" he signed.

[DownriverDem]

34. This is exactly why

I keep saying, I support only true Democrats. If Bernie does run as an independent, say hello to trump's second term.

[Hortensis]

52. Oh, Sanders' behavior has lost him a LOT of support

even if most of the post-primary "give us Bernie or it's Trump" crowd stay true. His total was only 42% of last time according to a recent poll, and I fully expect it to drop lower as more people look at him.

Interesting little note about donations to Sanders: Analysis of donations to our candidates by gender only have data for amounts over $200. But while most of the over-$200 women donors donated to a number of Democratic candidates to get them all nicely kicked off, only 2% of those who donated to Sanders did. All the rest of Sanders' donors donated only to him, but that means only 2% of the solid Democrats included him in the group they donated to.

Btw, they also found over 2/3 of those donors to Sanders are men.

[BigmanPigman]

58. I was watching the news last night and saw that chart.

I forget which show it was on but it surprised me. Men spent a lot more than women for all the Dem candidates donations so far. It probably is due to men making more than women and nave more disposable income.

[Hortensis]

63. :) Rachel had it. No doubt your surmise about income

is part of it. It'd pretty much have to be. But populist groups tend to be heavily male, ones prone to aggressive antagonism, with a preference for smashing out as a route to problem solving. And women are politically involved in general in higher percentages.

[BigmanPigman]

65. Thanks for the input!

[onit2day]

123. Bogus %. Like comparing his popularity % at end of 2016 with beginning of this campaign

to say it's decreasing. Any 2016 candidate would have same comparison. Has nothing to do with now. Reading only what justifies your already formed opinion is now reality. Most of us who support Bernie are used to the rock throwers petty inconsequential hits but have known him for years...years, and know what a good honest dedicated man he is. He set the table for most of the discussions we have today over policy. I don't want to go back to a small group of party elites decide who our candidates will be so I will still support our party's candidate, just like I and most other Bernie supporters did last time. Bernie won over a lot of Republicans who went back and voted for their candidate anyway but that is never mentioned here. AOC will one day face this same crowd "I've had it with her...it's just her ego, I'm so over her...most women didn't support her etc etc etc. Here I thought we were supposed to show respect and support our candidate's positives not bash them and call their supporters names or make ill founded conclusions based on our opinions. If I seem angry it's because this Bernie bashing goes on daily here...and only here. It needs to end. Find something positive to say or don't bother saying anything is going to be my model when talking about other candidates

[Demsrule86]

136. He is down in New Hampshire.

[Hortensis]

153. :). Good point. Droped like a rock there

according to a string of polls since February on 538.

He’s now joined Fox in demonizing the Clintons big time again, double-teaming with them the idea that this is all the Clinton deep state out to get him.

Looks like he may be starting to give up on picking up more Democratic voters and is chumming heavily for the crazy right.

There is the possibility, though, that this is genuinely how he interprets his falling numbers and liberal think tanks criticizing him. He seems to have genuine enmity toward the Clintons, and how else to explain Democrats’ otherwise inexplicable failure to admire him?

[betsuni]

154. I think it's another case of believing one's own propaganda.

Professional politicians with as long of a career as Bernie has had should know better. It's like a celebrity believing all the flattery they get and losing the ability to see themselves realistically, damaging their career.

[Hortensis]

157. Yes. I think his problem is more deep seated, though.

He seems always to have had it, even in his 30s when he was churning out dogma and handing out tracts, almost all long lost, that he apparently thought the residents of wherever he was living at the time needed.

[betsuni]

158. I don't know know why I even try to give the benefit of the doubt to Bernie.

Clearly, he never gives the benefit of the doubt to Democrats. Only Republicans.

[Hortensis]

165. Gotta develop your capacity for either-or deductions.

[Demsrule86]

163. He has a bad case of presidential fever and will win anyway he can...don't think he ever liked

Democrats much in the first place. I have agree with you. He thinks he can get Gop votes to make up for Democratic votes. I also think he is hoping to get the supers to vote for him on a second ballot.

[Magoo48]

171. Which candidates don't have presidential fever? It requires a massive ego to peruse this job.

[Sunlei]

173. Fever is a positive! Obama & Clinton had it, fever is what makes them never, ever quit!

I don't know how they did it, to stick with the 'work' for years. To continue to work 7 days a week on years of a campaign even when not in an elected position.

I 'feel worse' for Hillary Clinton, we Ds need her voice & wisdom, her experience with government. I wish she would have run again for president but she won't. I hope she runs soon for Congress, Senator or Governor. We Ds NEED her and we Ds NEED Biden and Sanders.

[Cha]

95. Say goodbye to whatever

legacy he had.. because.. what a way to go down in history.

[Hortensis]

156. Yes. His legacy is already dreadful, but to be fair

it will also include demonstrating toward the end of his life that in a social media world campaigns relying largely on small donors have become viable. A valuable contribution -- until Democrats are able to pass our HR1's campaign finance reform -- which some of his competitors are already leaping on.

Of course, as you say, that's not the big legacy college history and poly sci students will be learning about. When Sanders is mentioned, it'll be in, or a footnote to, chapters about the Trump election and Putin's attempt to use him to bring down the U.S.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. I am so over Bernie.

I unsubscribed a while ago, hope they don't capture my email address again. I'm just not interested any more.

[NYMinute]

4. It is the same B-or-B shenanigan

which is anti-democratic. If you can't get enough votes to win, you should not be throwing tantrums.

What is surprising is that Bernie supporters here or elsewhere don't condemn this.

[onit2day]

117. Everyday it's a new Bernie dogpile. Only here. Nothing neg about any other candidate

Been going on since the Hillary run. Yet nationally he's still a front runner. Sick of all the petty whining about this steadfast honest representative of the working class. Should Biden supporters condemn this:
"Joe Biden Expresses Regret to Anita Hill, but She Says ‘I’m Sorry’ Is Not Enough
Anita Hill’s name was trending on Twitter on Thursday as many women said they supported her — and, by clear implication, not Joseph R. Biden Jr.CreditElizabeth D. Herman for The New York Times

[NYMinute]

130. Please show me ONE poll where he is a "frontrunner"

All the polls show that Biden has twice or thrice as many nods.

Let's get rid of the delusions and face reality shall we?

[Mars and Minerva]

135. What nation is he the front runner in?

According to every poll today he is sinking like a stone.

[Demsrule86]

139. He is not the frontrunner,

[ucrdem]

144. Don't believe everything you read in your email.

Or on facebook. But you knew that!

[Cha]

202. No, Sorry.. BS is Not the frontrunner..

check out the national polls.

BS brings this on himself with non answers like this.. And, it's NOT "petty".

Bernie has a rough time at She the People conference

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128786745

[donkeypoofed]

5. He signed it cause he intends to honor it AFTER the Convention

When it's too late. He is a stubborn man and that is unfortunate.

[DemocracyMouse]

37. My father taught debate in a Pennsylvania high school...

... and he would characterize all these attacks on Bernie Sanders as rhetorical, not substantive.

Biden is now, finally, giving the corporate elites hell after Bernie fought like hell to normalize such a clear-eyed approach.

I don't know what the content was of the Sanders campaign emails because no one above has bothered to reference any actual quotes. If his team isn't telling the truth then its dirty campaigning. If it's pointing out Biden's record on Iraq, corporate give aways, etc., then its democracy at work.

I'll vote for any Democrat, but none of us should be employing the same name-calling tactics as the man they claim is doing so –and without evidence.

Patchouli oil? Really? Bernie was in the trenches of the civil rights movement (with photographic evidence) AND the recent anti-corporate movements. He has fiercely pushed for Medicare for all. He's a passionate Jew from Brooklyn and wouldn't know Patchouli oil if it fell out of a Whole Foods gift package for Baby Boomers.

Really?

[Hortensis]

59. Aren't you on any of these email lists for Sanders?

If not, sounds like you're missing some good stuff you'd like.

[Roy Rolling]

85. Herd Mentality

Nobody is immune once the herd starts to stampede.

Monorail!

[Cha]

97. It's called Democracy.. we still have

it. Also called the Democratic Primary season so we can nominate the best candidate to get the freaking Psycho GONE.

[Cha]

96. And, the attacks BS throws at

my Democratic Party? Are they "substantive"?

Here's some Divisive "us Vs them" mentality..

Link to tweet

I think Sanders is the one who is "nervous".

BS can't even answer WOC's Questions @SheThePeople on "white nationalism" and what he would do for WOC.

Bernie has a rough time at She the People conference

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128786745

[lapucelle]

104. I din't have any canapes, Cha.

I only have donuts.

[Cha]

106. I don't have any "canapes"

left to give.

[lapucelle]

107. ...

[emulatorloo]

109. I don't even know what a canap is. Is it similar to a lobster slider?

[lapucelle]

116. I think they're fancy finger foods or cocktail hour fare.

They sound kinda yummy.

https://www.marthastewart.com/1050287/goat-cheese-cranberry-and-walnut-canapes

[Cha]

121. It's French for Pupus..

In Hawaii..

Pu pu platter

[Lulu KC]

120. This just makes me want to eat a lot of canaps

and start using the word a lot. Seems very petty when the world is on fire. I like a certain combination of gravitas and humor, and certainly not making fun of what people eat.
Yes! I know it should be canapés--spellcheck keeps changing it back to canaps.
This just keeps getting funnier.

[True Blue American]

151. Join the crowd.

If I do not make a typo IPad Spell Check does it for me.

[NYMinute]

132. Are they replacing donuts with canapes?

OMG

[Mars and Minerva]

134. And this was from day one of Biden's run. If it's anything like 2016...

he and his Bros will be attacking the Democratic party every day as the debates get closer.
Who are these folks really working for?

[ehrnst]

207. The trenches of the civil rights movement.... in the Vermont countryside?

My understanding is that right after college, he bought some land in rural Vermont and moved there ever after. Except during the height of the Vietnam war protests, when he was traveling around Europe.

I agree that name calling is bad, but inflating and misreprenting his his accomplishments isn't going to do him any favors either.

[DoctorJoJo]

7. He and His Ilk Gave Us Trump Once--No Second Chances!

[onit2day]

118. You're calling Bernie supporters "Ilk"? He campaigned 4 Hillary more than any other legislator

You're 'ass-umption' is bogus and reflects pure bias. You're calling Bernie supporters "Ilk" yet complain about how he is supposedly talking bad about Biden?

[KitSileya]

137. I think you may not know what 'ilk' means

It means 'those who are the same', that is, Senator Sanders and those who are the same kind, his family, class, group. It is not derogatory.

[Demsrule86]

138. No he didn't. He said it was up to her to attract his voters,

Unforgivable, I would vote for him in a general,,,unlikely but never a primaryl

[George II]

161. No he didn't. The convention ended in late July...

And his first campaign appearance was on labor day, almost six weeks later. He made a few stops after that.

[MrsCoffee]

190. If you are insulted, why on earth do you support him?

If someone said Kamala Harris and her ilk, I would proudly claim to be #1 ilk.



And no re-writing history, lol. Bernie was one of the most reluctant runner ups ever to get on board.

[NYMinute]

133. He and his don't get it

It is their way or America be damned.

[hlthe2b]

8. I had so much respect for him during those early Thom Hartmann "Brunch with Bernie" years...

when he was just a VT Senator with more progressive ideas, willing to call out the Bushies* and their ilk. And when my local precinct caucus eventually went for Bernie in 2016, it didn't cause me great anguish at all, even though I was supporting HRC. Had he won 2016 nomination, I'd have done everything possible to elect him.

That many of his supporters didn't then, nor apparently, now, feel the same toward our eventual nominee is just sucking the life out of me.

[LisaM]

10. I listened to Brunch with Bernie for many years, too (and liked it).

It was only later, when he ran for national office and was tested on a wider range of issues than Hartmann or his listeners brought up that I realized I'd been listening to Bernie give the same answer to every question for years and years. I'm not sure that it was even an answer, it always was just "it's outrageous", "enough is enough", and "we can do better".

I agree with the person above who said that he is a stubborn man, and that it's unfortunate. It truly is.

[Cha]

98. I first knew of Sanders

when he thought it was "..a good idea to have President Obama primaried in 2012".. only he didn't want to do it.

I've never had any respect for him.

[happy feet]

113. Same for me

[yaesu]

16. This was my experience with Bernie & the election too, word for word.

He is still on my primary short list, will see how it plays out. My list is very short & very progressive.

[DemocracyMouse]

41. Bernie is only losing steam because of:

A) Attacks like this one from other Democrats.
B) A huge field of contenders.

I would love ANY Democrat to be President and whoever can inspire another, perhaps bigger, Blue Wave, is my eventual choice. In the meantime, DU seems to be breaking its own rules by promoting Russia-style divisive postings.

[Steven Maurer]

62. This is calling Sanders out for bashing

Last edited Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:41 PM - Edit history (1)

And (some of) his supporters out for being Bernie or Bust bros.

Don't pull that "the real intolerance is you being intolerant of my intolerance" bull that right wingers like to pull. It won't fly.


/ Edit: Added "some of" qualifier. Need to be fair.

[Hortensis]

68. Maurer, Mouse says will vote Democrat and hopes for

an even bigger blue wave. Imo, some courtesy and restraint are called for.

[trueblue2007]

78. #HateBernieBros This is calling Sanders out for bashing Dems !!! Stop it Bernie!!!

This is calling Sanders out for bashing


And his supporters out for being Bernie or Bust bros. Shame on you people.

[Cha]

100. Thank You!

[calimary]

125. Love this!

I was never that into Bernie to begin with.

I don’t have to unsubscribe because I was never on his email list in the first place. I’m on DEMOCRATS’ email lists.

[cwydro]

64. Is Bernie a Democrat?

I must’ve missed the switch.

[democratisphere]

80. Operative word is "Democrat(s)".

Not wannabe, sometimes or at your convenience.

[Cha]

99. Baloney. BS did this all to hmself. Hiring

jill stein voters to his top staff didn't help him one bit, either.

[DemocracyMouse]

122. I'm not a Bernie Bro, I'm a Warren sister! Everyone stop fighting!

..........There, that's better

[oasis]

126. Exactly Cha. Bernie's smart enough to know who he hired and why.

[Cha]

127. Mahalo, oasis! Yeah, BS must

have thought hiring Briahna, who dissed John Lewis, was the smart thing to do.

Link to tweet

People notice this crap.

[DownriverDem]

35. Doesn't Thom

still support Bernie?

[hlthe2b]

36. I don't know... I still like Thom, but haven't listened for some time.

[calguy]

9. The true Bernie is emerging

Meet the new Bernie. Same as the old Bernie.

[StClone]

182. He has been the same for 40 years

This overblown stuff is nicely (divisively) played. I am torn who to support but a Joe/Harris ticket may be great. Bashing Bernie gets old fast.

[still_one]

11. Official emails saying they will do a write in. I am no Sanders fan, but this doesn't seem that the

campaign would do something like that

It is stupid if true

More likely I would suspect Republican or even a foreign entity trying to divide Democrats

[Maru Kitteh]

18. You've accidentally conflated the official emails with the separate and

not official Twitter responses.

The BoB'ers of Twitter are still just as dependable as always.

[still_one]

20. Thanks for pointing that out

[McKim]

25. Do you have a copy of the Tweet?

I am on Sander’s list and I got no such email. Was a tweet sent out? Is it authentic? I want facts please and evidence.

[Maru Kitteh]

28. Jezuz. I'm not the OP. Why would I have it? Also; the OP never stated the Tweets were official.

Only the email attacking Biden. Bernie attacks Democrats. This is NOT a new development.

Read your email and go find the Tweets yourself.

[Cha]

101. Right.. Not a new development!

Maru

[Cattledog]

19. It was Twitter followers on the write-in aspect.

[still_one]

21. Thanks. I should have read more carefully. They are not doing Sanders any favors

[YOHABLO]

12. How do you know for sure the Bernie camp is doing this?

[yaesu]

17. exactly. nt

[Maru Kitteh]

22. Official emails are a pretty simple matter. I'm sure you, or someone you know gets them.

Bernie attacks Democrats. It's not something new.

As for the Twitter BoB's, I'm sure they're the same mixture they've always been. More than a few bots joined by more than a few genuine, real-life Bob's.

[MineralMan]

13. Did those emails and tweets come from the Sanders campaign?

Can you post them? If so, I'll be very, very disappointed, and we should know about it.

[Maggiemayhem]

111. I got the regular email. I get emails for all the candidates. I didn't see him attack anyone.

I don’t do Twitter, but you can google his twitter and read what he posted. The OP just stated it was Twitter followers, not Sanders himself. Anybody can follow you and post anything. The Republicans are loving all this infighting.

[Curtis]

148. Exactly this

And, both the American and Russian branches of the GOP are happy to pose as anyone's supporters just to cause these problems too.

[Thekaspervote]

14. It took me 3 tries and a very frank phone call to get off his list

[crazytown]

23. Mr Senator Sir, the enemy have taken the high ground,

What are we to do?

Senator: I’ve been waiting for this. Are you familiar with Pickett’s Charge?

[pdsimdars]

24. Bernie was the FIRST to sign the pledge to fully support and work for whoever is the nominee

It took others a while to think about it. Bernie did it right away. He will work hard for whoever it is, just like he did for Hillary. Let's stop trying to smear other candidates.

[pnwmom]

27. That was when he was #1 in the Democratic polls. Of course he wanted everybody else

to sign that thing.

[StarfishSaver]

39. He is the only candidate in the Democratic field who's given anyone a reason to doubt his commitment

so signing such a pledge has more urgency for him than it does for the others. They haven't said or done anything that would lead anyone to think they wouldn't support the eventual nominee.

[Cha]

102. Exactly!

[Hortensis]

73. As Rachel read out each item, they all seemed clearly

inspired by his behavior in 2016, to keep it from happening again. My husband thought so too.

So of course it immediately focused Klieg lights on Sanders to see what he would do. Which was the only thing he could -- race to sign it to head off dramatized "Will Sanders sign???!" "How much would refusal hurt him?" commentary all over the media.

You know, if he keeps this pledge -- in spirit, not just in signature, he will lose that zealous "give us Bernie or it'll be Trump" quarter of his supporters. They joined him because they believed he would stick it to the Democrats, not try to talk them into voting for our nominee.

Also, how, as someone committed to electing a Democrat, would he draw the additional disappointed RW populists he's hoping will leave Trump for him? We all know they're not going to replace Trump with a loyal Democrat.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

90. That's just the way Bernie rolls... he sets the standard!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[ananda]

26. I hear you. Biden is my first choice across the board.

Primary and general.

[Ponietz]

29. Thanks, I wonder how much BS buzz will remain if we just ignore BS threads from here on

It will become much easier to spot nefarious agitators, then.

[Hortensis]

79. Good point.

[LakeArenal]

89. Exactly what I have been doing

Much less stressful. Have found ignore very useful as well.

[ancianita]

30. Couldn't it be that his campaign's suffering a hack attack from a bot campaign?

Bot campaigns have been rolled out against Democrats before.

[LostinRed]

31. He's only about Bernie

I believe the reason the dems allowed him in our primary is to prevent him from a third party run.

[TommyCelt]

53. This.

If Bernie decides to go independent or to the Greens (since he has'em on staff) that's the ballgame.

[Hortensis]

82. No matter WHO, there will be at least one spoiler

candidacy, in or out of the party. But remember the messages from the midterms. And while we're at it, the one from Sanders' greatly diminished support so far compared to what he had in 2016. Something like only 42% when last I noticed, and he's lost a great deal of women in particular.

[relayerbob]

32. I will not tolerate attacks

We need to work this together, and realize that all of our candidates are excellent and are allies. There is one person we should be attacking, and he ain't one of us

Sanders has shown his true colors

[RandiFan1290]

33. Cool story, bro. nt

[StClone]

38. Curious wind a blowing

Bernie has not changed but his image has. What is going on? Who is calling the shots here now that Wall Street creeps are getting jittery about Bernie. Now we are seeing this. Very telling.

I'd vote for Joe. But, this is over the top and highly suspicious.

[Hortensis]

83. What's changed is both the rear view for people

who lived it and the press coverage for all. Some will always be clueless, but most are not that stupid at all.

[Cha]

105. BS hired 3rd party workers and voters

to his top staff. They have a reputation for attacking. So this isn't surprising at all.

[amuse bouche]

43. So it's 'cool' for Bernie to attack a real dem like Biden, unlike a dem of convenience like Bernie.

Got it.

[Cha]

209. True story.

[TNNurse]

40. As I have said before, there are Bernie supporters who are just as much a cult

as those who worship Trump.

Cults do not listen, they do not think, and that one help elect Trump in 2016.

[StClone]

44. Really?

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Following any candidate may be a cult then. Time to start tearing each other apart for our loyalties it seems with some gas tossed in from outside. Is this really an organic debate on the candidates?

[TNNurse]

54. No, just the ones who say if not Bernie they will not support the Democrat.

If he is going to be a part time Democrat at election time, the people who support him should support the Democratic nominee.

Those who say if Bernie if not the candidate they will go elsewhere, are not Democrats either.

I despise a couple of the current contenders but I will vote for the person who is the Democratic candidate at election time;

I will never ever forgive those who whiny and cried and refused to vote for a viable candidate. They gave us Trump. And hav e helped create this nightmare we are living in.

[Hortensis]

84. Notably, not only did it turn out they were none of them

"The Only True Progressives" they claimed to be, but the ones we're talking about actively betrayed every progressive goal and every principle they claimed to support.

[sop]

71. Apparently, their position seems to be it's ok to lose to Trump now so we can win later

It's been explained to me that America first needs to completely fall apart before true progressives rise up as one and take our country back. Or something like that.

I guess things haven't gotten quite bad enough yet. Another four years of Trump should do the trick.

[TNNurse]

72. Do they expect to live long enough to see recovery?

This is going to take many years to repair what he has already done. The courts are damaged for decades. People will die from lack of medical care and inability to pay for medications. Children will be traumatized by child separation. The education level will drop even farther. Our allies will need to be convinced we are acceptable.


But the environmental damage will be final.


So, I do not agree that four more years will accomplish anything positive.

[Hortensis]

86. Europe was mostly rebuilt within a generation

after WWII. We can't fix everything that fast, but other advances will help mitigate the damage. The quicker they're stopped and we start, though,...!

I believe that, with another 4 years to pack the courts and otherwise consolidate RW power, it's our democracy itself that might be lost that quickly.

[sop]

91. They view true progressivism as a Phoenix rising up from the ashes

Sadly, many of Sanders' supporters seemed "blithely uninterested in reckoning with the human cost of the political apocalypse" in 2016. Viewing "politics purely in terms of personal catharsis," ignoring how it affects the vast majority of Americans in practical ways, is just another form of political nihilism, or anarchism. Let's hope they've learned a political lesson.

[Hortensis]

108. Yes. Unfortunately, we've learned that many prone to

extremist-leaning beliefs can't and/or won't learn as others do. They require profound delusion and personal dishonesty to sustain, the more extreme and/or immersed the less anchored to reality. The internet is not their friend. Or ours. Experts say extremism is growing on both left and right.

It's certainly been educating to watch the bizarre blindness to and detachment from the reality of what the right's doing. But even if we could somehow make them focus enough to really understand, it wouldn't stick.

I remember that an expert in extremism, after describing the striking similarities between right and left types in simple lay terms, moved on to a major difference, which was that RW extremists "hate everyone else" and LW "hate themselves." (Very simple. ) Whoever and whatever LW types identify with is despised, for some even loathed, and unfortunately that's us and whatever we do.

Sigh. Since they aren't going away, it's up to us to keep them in perspective and work around them.

[John Fante]

42. Filling his staff with Jill Stein voters will doom him. Good.

I wouldn't dream of voting for Bernie in the primary largely because the hard feelings from 2016 remain.

[samnsara]

50. i still have those horrid images i my mind of the surrogates....throwing money at her car..

...but if BS is the nom I will vote for him knowing full well we will lose.

[Hortensis]

88. He won't be, but if he were we would virtually all

vote for him, including the voters who've become newly engaged since 2016. Because Trump and the RW's evil etcetera would be the alternative.

I'd don't worry at all that that horrible prospect could happen, though. He won't be the nominee because we have several incredibly better choices and just wouldn't elect someone like him instead. That kind of mistake is for the right's would-be rebels thrashing cluelessly on their masters' hooks.

[patphil]

45. This smacks of political dirty tricks

I don't think Bernie Sanders would endorse that viewpoint.
Whoever is doing this is trying to hurt both Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders.
Based on the responses on this site, it seems to be working.
Relax folks.
There are still 18 months to go to the 2020 election.
You're going to see a lot of this shit put forth as being legit, but it most likely isn't.

Patrick Phillips

[rzemanfl]

47. Gotta wash socks. BBL. n/t

[samnsara]

49. i agree... i bet if you put this to their campaign they woudnt endorse it..

...i mean BS was the first one to sign the Indivisible Pledge..so lets see. Im going right for Russian jugular first.

[samnsara]

48. i can smell russia from my laptop

[Sapient Donkey]

51. What kind of attacks from the official campaign emails?

Are they irrational attacks or are they more tame standard criticisms we usually see during elections? They aren't calling for a write-in, are they?

I mentioned a few days ago the number of #bernieorbust tweets. No doubt some are legit people who I think are very misguided, but digging in some more I suspect there's an increasing number of those are highly suspicious. One thing I like to do is use the advanced twitter search to look up their first tweets. If an account was created in like 2010 and has zero tweets up until recently, and nearly all the tweets are divisive highly charged political tweets, then that raises some huge red flags. That doesn't mean it's coming from a troll farm in Russia, but it does make me suspect they are not acting in good faith. Occasionally, I've came across some accounts in which they totally switched "sides". I haven't seen one of those in awhile, though.

[Susan Calvin]

66. I just went through my official campaign email since Biden announced.

If there are any attacks there I can't find them. They're just generic requests for money and decrying of the current system.

[Mariana]

70. If it was real, the OP would have taken a screenshot.

If taking a screenshot was too hard, they would have copied and pasted - if it was real.

[Tribalceltic]

110. Then why are so many complaining about the same thing?

Calling members here Liars seems like another attack.

[Mariana]

152. OK. Let's see them, then. nt.

[Susan Calvin]

160. This.

I have looked and looked and seen absolutely nothing of what's being discussed here in official campaign emails.

[lark]

55. It's like the zombie Bernie emails, they can't be stopped.

I have unsubscribed from so many Bernie sites, but new ones keep popping up, obviously using old databases. I have 3 new Bernie sites I have to unsubscribe from right now, including 2020. I even state the reason - I support Democrats and he chooses not to be one so he no longer has my support, but still they come.

[Chakaconcarne]

57. Because we know the twitter responders can be fake....

Maybe we not, by default, attack Bernie supporters.... Our perceptions conceivably could be skewed, even from 2016.

[W T F]

60. Just Be aware that Russian trolls are trying to divide us, so use your critical thinking

[humbled_opinion]

61. Not this Shit already......

SMH !!!!!!!!!

[Susan Calvin]

67. I would be interested in seeing those official emails.

I didn't get any like that .

[Honeycombe8]

69. Oh, dear (about the write-ins). But good for you for doing the right thing.

I would have, too. We do have to support whoever gets the nomination, so we can get that a-hole out of office.

[saidsimplesimon]

74. Fanning the flames of division is a dangerous road if our

goal is to present a united front, and to persuade all Democrats and like minded Independents, even some Republicans to vote in 2020 for our alternative to rumpy. I found this discussion to be both troubling, from a unity to victory perspective, and discouraging ongoing efforts that do encourage rational, fact based discussion. My opinion as always.

I have no candidate preference at this time. If I had empirical evidence that Senator Sanders was the person to send the rump family packing in 2020, then I would support him in the primary. If reason continues to guide my selection, it could be that Biden (while not my choice for a candidate) is the one to beat tRump.

[we can do it]

81. Tired of the divisive BS. Tired of the petty divisiveness.

[CentralMass]

87. Ah, if only I could sign up twice. I seen no emails from the campaign that are as you decribe.

added another contribution and decided to makeit a monthly one.

[WcoastO]

92. This will truly be an......

"anybody except trump" election.......since 2000 the Democrats (and our country) have lost two elections because our candidates weren't "pure" enough and other candidates (Nader, et. al.) peeled off votes, Dems stayed home, or voted gop.....and what did the country get? Roberts, Alito, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, unnecessary tax cuts, two optional wars, consolidation of corporate power etc......and if we lose again, does RBG hang on for four more years.....? Gore wouldn't have nominated either Roberts or Alito......there would be Thomas, Kagan, Sotomayor, RBG, Breyer, and two other NON-conservative judges.....imagine the SCOTUS without Roberts, Alito, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh......

[BigDemVoter]

93. I just did the same.

This is exactly how we ended up with Pussy Grabber.

[suilebhan]

94. Just unsubscribed from his emails, as well.

Bye, bye Bernie. Looks like he's merely a pretend Democrat again.

[yardwork]

103. I can't stand his emails but I stay subscribed to keep an eye on his campaign.

Encouraging write-ins in the general election is disgusting.

[dogman]

191. So when did your eye see this encouraging write-ins?

Can you share?

[rgbecker]

112. Wow Cattledog! Over 100 Recs???

You the man.

[Cha]

124. I did that awhile ago.. No

idea how they got my name.

[elder phd]

128. really?

that's pretty odd.

cuz i've been signed up with bernie since 2015, and get every.single.one. of his msgs.

getting emails from several others running now too.

but, have to say, have not seen a single.email.ever trashing biden.

or anyone, for that matter.

so, kinda puts your claim into question there, pup.

[LongtimeAZDem]

131. You might want to get a few more posts under your belt before calling someone else "pup".

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[lapucelle]

155. Welcome to DU!

Have a donut.

[George II]

162. There were two emails the day Biden announced...

Excepts from both were posted here on DU. One was worse than the other, but they both bashed Biden.

[Hoyt]

129. We are having to fight to oust trump because of this junk in 2016. It needs to end.

[Chicago1980]

140. Look at all the infighting in this thread...

How will we ever win in 2020 with the tone here?

[Cha]

143. Tell that to BS..

he's the one who sends divisive emails.. which is what this thread is about..

Link to tweet

[notinkansas]

141. Really? I'm on Bernie's email list

and I NEVER see anything like that from Bernie.

Do you believe everything you see on twitter?

[ucrdem]

142. I was on his list, read a few, and every one ticked me off

It seemed there was a dog whistle or sneer directed at Barack and/or Hillary in every one. His Medicare for All pitch especially annoys me as the unspoken subtext is "Obama's health legislation is horrible, let's ditch it and try mine." Well, we're seeing where that got him.

[notinkansas]

145. I disagree with the 'dog whistle and sneering' statement

And the reason the ACA isn't all that it could be is because it was a compromise made in order to get some Republican votes. It left the insurance companies in place. I don't know about you but I'm not enthused about subsiding health insurance executives with millions of dollars in compensation and bonuses. That's just sucking money out of the system and not providing health care for anybody!

We can do better.

[ucrdem]

146. Here's the last one I received, from Nina Turner on Jan 27,

With a picture of a bird and at least three different links to send dollars. The first substantive line is:

If Bernie runs — we will have a presidential candidate who understands that health care must be recognized as a right, not a privilege, for every man, woman, and child in our country, regardless of their income.

With the implication that Barack, Joe, Nancy P and all the other Democrats who knocked out the PPACA didn't recognize health care as a right and accomplished nothing. So wrong, and it still makes me angry.

[notinkansas]

147. Nothing wrong with recognizing health care as a right

I think Obama would have liked the ACA to be better, but felt he had to compromise if there was going to be any chance of passing any legislation at all. I suspect that was done with the expectation that it would be tweaked to improve it over time. Republicans have done the exact opposite, though. They really want to get rid of it. I wasn't entirely happy with the bill at the time, but in retrospect I think they probably did the best they could at the time.

And maybe this time we can come up with something better.

Improvements are not an indictment of the work of prior administrations. We 'stand on their shoulders' in the effort to move policy forward.

[ucrdem]

149. What's missing are the shoulders, i.e., Medicare, Medicaid, and the Affordable Care Act

all passed by Democrats. This is from the 2016 Dem platform:

ENSURE THE HEALTH AND
SAFETY OF ALL AMERICANS

Democrats have been fighting to secure universal health care for the American people for generations, and
we are proud to be the party that passed Medicare, Medicaid, and the Affordable Care Act (ACA). Being
stronger together means finally achieving that goal. We are going to fight to make sure every American has
access to quality, affordable health care. We will tackle the problems that remain in our health care system,

including cracking down on runaway prescription drug prices and addressing mental health with the same
seriousness that we treat physical health. We will fight Republican efforts to roll back the clock on women’s
health and reproductive rights, and stand up for Planned Parenthood. And we will tackle the epidemics of
substance abuse and gun violence, which each claim tens of thousands of lives every year. (pp. 30-31)

https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/2016_DNC_Platform.pdf
............................
But if you listen to Bernie you wouldn't know any of that legislation had been passed and think we were all living in some eternal Pottersville that only Bernie wants to save us from. That's what makes me angry.

[notinkansas]

199. I hope nobody

is expecting Joe to save them from the tender mercies of the for profit insurance companies.

[ucrdem]

200. Of the 154 US health plans with 100,000+ enrollees, 97 are nonprofit, including mine

Kaiser Permanente:

http://www.nonprofithealthcare.org/resources/BasicFacts-NonprofitHealthPlans.pdf

[Cha]

150. Yeah, like nobody running

understands anything about healthcare but BS.

These are a couple of more recent Divisive ones seen on the net..

Link to tweet

BS is the one who seems nervous.. with good reason. You've seen the latest polls?

[MH1]

176. Bernie's tweet is written like a 3rd party candidate. Which he really is.

I am freakin' tired of being insulted as "Democratic establishment". That "establishment" is why we HAVE a Democratic Party. Had that "establishment" won in 2016, we'd have 2 fewer right-wing Supreme Court justices than we have now. Thanks but no thanks, BoBers.

[Cha]

195. And, there would be less

blood spilled at places of worship. And, more babies and kids would be with their parents.

Well said, MH1.

[George II]

164. I get emails now from Klobuchar, Booker, and Harris. 0ther than Harris welcoming Biden to the race..

the day he announced, not one of them has mentioned another candidate or criticized the Democratic Party. I was aIso getting them from Sanders for a short while but I stopped them. I didn't want to see what he was saying about MY Democratic Party anymore.

[Sunlei]

167. I read ALL our D primary emails. also emails from Obama & the Clintons.

I don't read the crap on twitter because anyone can tweet and pretend they don't "like" someone.

[LovingA2andMI]

172. Good for You....

It's a waste of time.

[Progressive dog]

177. Good for you

I had seen enough attacks on Democrats before the end of the 2016 primary.

[StClone]

180. Pick off one at a time

What is great about the plethora of Dem candidates is the confusion it causes the Republican Attack Machine: it is overwhelmed. One strategy they may use is picking one off at a time. Easiest first with Bernie causing a pull to the left, he is alarming to Corp. and center Dems. Is this what is going on?

[cab67]

186. Not so far as I can tell.

Mr. Sanders says a lot of good things, but there are multiple legitimate reasons for preferring someone other than him to be the Democratic Party nominee.

His refusal to back out of the race in 2016 after his victory became mathematically impossible cost him a lot of good will among Democrats. His tendency to be a member of the Democratic Party only when he's running for president is another point of contention.

[Progressive dog]

192. Of course Bernie alarms Democrats

with his nasty attacks against what he calls the "establishment". Most Democrats are "established".

[cab67]

181. some Sanders supporters remind me of Ron Paul supporters.

It's almost a cult of personality. It's their candidate or nothing, and disrupting the process to make noise is considered acceptable.

I'm not characterizing all Sanders supporters this way - but I've encountered more than a few who are like this.

[StClone]

183. Can we all just get along. This is really pointless

Bernie may drop in polls on his own why all the gnashing and bashing.

[cab67]

185. actually, I was bashing some of Mr Sanders' supporters.

Not Mr. Sanders. I like a lot of what he says, as it happens. He's not my preferred candidate for several reasons, but none of the candidates perfectly reflects each and every opinion I hold, so I don't have a purity test.

[Mr Tibbs]

187. I am on his email list and only one even mentions Biden

In a benign way. Could you post the text of official Sanders campaign emails attacking Biden?

Thanks.

[Cha]

201. These are two emails from BS

one calling my Democratic Party "nervous" (we're not).. and the other.. more "establishment" swipes, and sounds like he's down on canapés.

Link to tweet

[wasupaloopa]

203. Would you please tell me what or who is the Democratic establishment? I think it is one of Bernie's

boogie-men.

It's the Democratic Establishment vs Our revolution. What the hell does that even mean beside send money.

It is propaganda I think.

If you get rid of Bernie's establishment Dems than we lose the majority. I mean if we have only Dems that past Bernie's test than you throw out half the House.

[betsuni]

206. LOL

[R B Garr]

208. Glad to be the 149th rec!