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[BeckyDem]

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[Demsrule86]

1. Establisment Democrats? Unseating Democrats from safe seats is no big deal

In my opinion. And calling Democrats establishment is just plain wrong. I won't be watching. Primarying Democrats is a waste of money and accomplishes nothing in terms of getting or keeping a majority.

[BeckyDem]

2. She and those like her are the future of the Democratic Party.

[Demsrule86]

7. Not anytime soon. They beat sitting Democrats in blue areas.

It was moderates who gave us the house. If you look at the map... particularly the Senate, we still win with a 50 state big tent approach. And I like AOC, but she won't win in the moderate and/or red areas that we need to increase our majority in the House and obtain a majority in the Senate without which we get no policy and no judges. It is a waste of time and money to primary Democrats in most cases. We need to take Republican seats. Why are 31 moderates who took GOP seats and won a majority not also the future of the party? We need a big tent to win going forward.

[BeckyDem]

8. No, not really. Policies that bring what the people want will win those seats over.

No one is suggesting it will happen in one two year cycle, but it will happen.

[Demsrule86]

14. There is no evidence it will ever happen in purple and red states.

I would love to see more progressive districts and states. But it won't happen if we don't win hearts and minds. Why spend money playing musical chairs with Democrats when we have so much work to do in red and/or purple areas. It looks like we have lost Florida and Ohio...we are not making progress but going backwards.

[BeckyDem]

17. Nonsense.

Policies that Americans want are the driving force of why progressives are building and expanding their political influence.

Excerpt:The tireless organizing of progressives in red states this fall did not just deliver one-time wins for progressive policies in areas controlled by Republican governments — it also established an infrastructure that could pave the way for progressive triumphs in the future.
https://truthout.org/articles/progressive-activists-are-winning-in-red-states/

[Demsrule86]

32. The midterms don't indicate this true...

Now, here is a gain. She won a GOP seat...grass-roots is where we win hearts and minds with a progressive message. Flipping blue Sestak is meaningless.

'Perhaps the most surprising victory of the night belonged to 32-year-old Kathy Hoffman, a first-time candidate and speech pathologist who was elected Arizona Superintendent of Public Instruction. Not only did Hoffman beat a veteran lawmaker in the Democratic primary; she also took down Republican Frank Riggs, who had expanded charter schools and pushed vouchers while in power.'

[BlueFlorida]

3. Why fix something that is not broken? nt

[BeckyDem]

4. Are you being serious?

[Demsrule86]

11. Yes...what makes you think otherwise?

[BeckyDem]

13. You're responding for someone else?

If so, I would say that opinion is based on wishful thinking.

[Demsrule86]

15. It is a serious issue ...if a Democrat holds a seat ...no fix is required. I wondered why you

asked this question ...

[BeckyDem]

18. That is not a serious response.

Sorry.

[Hortensis]

5. EVERY 2 years idealistic new Democrats run for office,

and many are sent by their constituents to congress and go to work. Not just last election, and then far more than just the handful of far leftists who made it in.

I'm disgusted at the whole blind, shockingly irresponsible, almost insanely insulting idea that our people in congress are corrupt simply because they're in congress and that they should be "knocked" out.

I'm disgusted and appalled further by all those who choose to see no difference between Democratic legislators and those RW special interests have packed the Republican caucuses with.

That is evidence of intense corruption of understanding and duty in these people themselves. Inimical delusions every bit as real as those afflicting the corrupted right.

It serves, as it is intended to, our enemies both foreign and domestic whose goals can only be served by "knocking" Democrats out of government.

[BeckyDem]

6. Some are disgusted by an election system that doesn't represent them.

They're called voters.

[Demsrule86]

10. Some should worry more about electing a sufficient number of Democrats as no one

Is represented if Republicans control congressional majorities and/ or win the presidency.

[BeckyDem]

12. No, they already did that and realize it was not enough.

[Demsrule86]

20. You are talking about Pres. Obama I suppose ... maybe some who couldn't

get single payer should not have stabbed Obama in the back in 10 and in 14. We lost a SCOTUS seat because of 14. Changing blue seats to more blue seats will get us nothing without a majority...and maybe what some demand is not supported by the majority of voters.

[BeckyDem]

22. The voters are to blame?

Ok

[Demsrule86]

26. Absolutely. Support the president if you want policy. President Obama's hands

were tied for six long years...I well remember the attacks even on this forum.

[BeckyDem]

28. Voters do not support anyone when the policies they want do not come to fruition.

It is one reason the congress has such low approval.

[Hortensis]

27. "Some" are so unhappy that their preferences don't

rule 200,000,000 other registered voters that they'd discard democracy and put those others in subjection to their choices if they could. That doesn't only include shockingly many on the right who are willing to replace democracy with autocracy because they're losing too many elections.

I am also thinking specifically of those who did not drop Sanders like a rotten potato when he promised them to illicitly misuse the superdelegate system. The promise to those who don't feel "represented" was to take the nomination by oversetting the popular vote. We all remember the disgusted rage among a noisy few when not one superdelegate would refuse to uphold, i.e. refuse to represent, the wishes of the majority.

You want to feel represented, BeckyDem? Here's how: Get over your disgust that democracy means we are each only one voter among many and that the choices of others also count. Recognize that, even if our government were clean as Ivory soap, contempt and disregard for the wishes of fellow citizens would always lead some to be "disgusted." Just don't let that be you.

[BeckyDem]

30. Preach to someone who believes the future doesn't belong to

those with the tenacity like AOC to ring every door bell, and beat the incumbent who ignored his constituents.

[Demsrule86]

9. Wow...great post...+ 10000

[crazytown]

16. Dem Primaries Forum: What has this got to do with the Dem Primaries?

[BeckyDem]

19. It has to do with different types of candidates.

[Demsrule86]

23. If you say so.

[crazytown]

24. The Dem Primaries Forum is confined to Presidential Candidates.

This OP belongs in GD

[BeckyDem]

25. Ok, fair enough. Would you prefer I delete this?

[crazytown]

29. I'd like to see it reposted in GD. The material is important.

Post it GD, then delete it here.

[BeckyDem]

31. Alright.

Thank you!

[Demsrule86]

21. Nothing ...but it is not my call.