Vote Blue No Matter Who?

[crazytown]

"If we do not win, I will strongly support the Democratic nominee...and hope and believe that others feel exactly the same way. Donald Trump must be defeated” Bernie Sanders

The fact is, some supporters ‘do not feel exactly the same way’. Anything but. Even with Donald Trump in the Whitehouse, they ain’t voting for no ‘establishment empty suit’. Here are excerpts from a essay by Kathy Copeland Padden was published today, May 1, 2019

Dispatch from a Bernie Sanders Supporter: Vote Blue No Matter Who = Uber Masochism

Ugh. I can’t even with this. I know I say that a lot, but this mindset truly angers me. It’s unforgivable ignorance and cowardice wrapped up in one neat little self-absorbed package.

If you can’t see why proclaiming you’ll VBNMW is waving the white flag of surrender even before the battle is fought, you have no business going within a hundred miles of a voting booth.

This dimwitted philosophy is directly responsible for the piss-poor governance we find ourselves with today. Decades of lesser-evilism voting has shown the establishment you’ll meekly accept whatever garbage candidates they throw at you. This behavior is not noble, it’s partisanship rooted in privilege, plain and simple. It’s selfish and contemptible and tells us everything we need to know about you as a human being.

(snip)I will not vote for another neoliberal hack. Never.
When push comes to shove, you’ll fold like a house of cards and do the bidding of the oligarchy like good little serfs. This is not Progressive behavior. If your political philosophy includes no-questions-asked party loyalty, do NOT call yourself a Progressive. You are an unethical Establishment Enabler.

The Democratic Party has no incentive to take the candidacy of Progressives like Sanders and Gabbard seriously, no matter how loud the people clamor for them. Why would they? You have assured the DNC that, in the end, you’ll just obediently fall in line.

(snip) Sanders was obligated to agree in writing to support the eventual nominee. I’m not bound by these constrictions. Neither are you. Bernie will do what Bernie has to do. As will I. As should you.

https://ghionjournal.com/vote-blue-no-matter-who-uber-masochism/

It would be easy to dismiss this noisy fringe if people like David Sirota and Nina Turner had not been appointed to senior positions in the campaign this year. Confidence building measures might help, like David and Nina saying ‘Vote Blue No Matter Who’ for example

[beachbum bob]

1. We have ZERO choice, otherwise we deserve what we get

[Left-over]

4. Every blue cantidate is better than the stupid buffoon in the white house.

[crazytown]

9. Every.Single.One.

including (gulp) Tulsi.

[olegramps]

12. This self rightous nonsense approach will deliver Trump four more years. Is that its true objective?

[redstatebluegirl]

21. It delivered us Trumper in the first place.

[woodsprite]

2. Every Democrat, no matter who they support, should have that as their bumpersticker! nt

[Kali]

3. interesting

I get the impression there is a reverse situation as well - if Sanders was the nominee there sure seems to be a lot of folks on this site that would not vote for him. at least they sure seem to find all kinds of problems with him and his campaign and bring it up CONSTANTLY, judging from the juries I am called to. personally, I have no problem with any of the folks on our side and will be happy to vote blue period.

[LongtimeAZDem]

6. I have come to despise Sanders, but if he wins the Democratic nomination, I will vote for him, and

I will encourage everyone I know to do so as well.

[crazytown]

7. If Sanders was the nominee

I’d pull the lever for him without a microseconds hesitation. The same dynamic that is pushing people towards Biden, would get them out, voting early and often for Bernie: Absolute desperation to get Trump out of the Whitehouse.

[highplainsdem]

13. I'll vote for Sanders only if I have to, if he's the nominee, because we have to beat Trump. And as

I've said elsewhere here, it will be the most reluctant vote I've cast in more than 4 decades of voting for Democrats.

But I'll do it anyway, to get the Democratic nominee into the WH.

And then I'll expect Sanders to live up to his campaign pledges, no matter what his crazier supporters want.

[crazytown]

14. 8 years of Trump scares the heck out of me.

I wouldn’t think twice.

[Amimnoch]

15. Very true. -nt.

[redstatebluegirl]

22. I will hold my nose and vote for him.

I really do not think he will be the nominee. He is just another angry white guy who thinks he has all the answers.

[MH1]

26. I will ABSOLUTELY vote for Sanders in the general IF he is the DEMOCRATIC PARTY NOMINEE

which I feel strongly he WON'T be.

I know many people who would certainly be less than thrilled to cast their GE votes for Sanders, BUT THEY AREN'T FUCKING STUPID. If he is the DEMOCRATIC nominee, he gets all our votes.

BECAUSE - WORTH SAYING AGAIN:

WE AREN'T FUCKING STUPID. OR COMPLETE ASSHOLES.

(which someone would have to be, to not vote for the Dem nominee in 2020. Or in 2016 for that matter!!)

[GulfCoast66]

27. Not seen that at all. I detest the man.

As much as anyone on DU.

But if he is the Democratic Nominee he will get my vote with no hesitation.

And that is all I have seen on DU. Lot of people don’t like the guy. They would all vote for him over trump. Or any republican for that matter. I sure would.

[Demsrule86]

42. Not true .. what person on this site has said they would not vote for the nominee no one.

I don't like Sanders but would vote for him...vote for any nominee. The person who wrote this basically is worthless. I am a tired of being blackmailed. They need to work on getting more people to agree with them. We need to attract moderate voters and tell this sort to fuck off.

[highplainsdem]

5. The lunatic fringe Sanders supporter you're quoting there (who says one of her hobbies is avoiding

people, something I'm sure is mutual after reading her writing) also has a Twitter account where she's attacked Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Mayor Pete (whom she calls Mayor Milquetoast), and, via link to another column at Medium.com, Beto O'Rourke.

She makes it clear again and again that she despises the Democratic Party.

https://twitter.com/crankypantskat

Anti-Democratic Sanders-supporting nutjobs like her are why Democrats mistrust Sanders and many of his supporters.

[redstatebluegirl]

23. Those Sanders supporters are NOT Democrats!

[SidDithers]

8. Wasn't there a "not any blue will do" movement ...

during the mid-terms? On my phone, so I can’t search, but I thought I remembered reading it.

Sid

[highplainsdem]

10. Yes, that popped up a lot on Twitter.

[highplainsdem]

11. Oh, and Nina Turner had something to do with it, according to this article from March 2018:

https://www.saukvalley.com/2018/03/06/democrats-have-plenty-of-candidates-but-just-not-any-blue-will-do/awui04k/

[DoctorJoJo]

18. You Just KNOW Nina Turncoat Will Write In Jill Stain If Bernie Isn't the Nominee!

[McKim]

16. I Am Supportive of Any Democratic Party Canidate

I am supportive of any Democratic Party candidate and will vote for them. But I also support Sander’s ideas and Warren’s ideas. Instead of a winner take all attitude, if a centrist wins the nomination, they should include policies of the left in their platform. It’s only fair. I am a retired bilingual migrant teacher whose parents loved Roosevelt. Not all Sanders supporters are nut jobs.

[crazytown]

17. I didn't post this to smear Sanders supporters.

I did a google search for sanders, sorted by date, and this was second on the list. The mental contortions of those who would leave Trump in the Whitehouse are quite something, and I posted it.

[DoctorJoJo]

19. Who Else Would It Pertain To?? The Rest of Us Don't NEED to Be Counseled!

[crazytown]

20. I don't go about smearing Democrats.

I’m not tagging Sanders supporter on DU with the insanity in this essay, but I won’t defend Sirota or Turner either.

[Celerity]

28. some non DU Sanders supporters smear themselves every single mingle minute, they are wreckers

[crazytown]

29. They are fundamentally dishonest

If they argue from principle when what they are seeking is power. The DSA wants power. They will not get it unless members or sympathisers are in office, and are in able to appoint their people into position.

[Celerity]

36. the DSA is chocked full of Stalinist and Trotskyite scum, I so hope AOC starts to distance herself

Not ONE federal Democratic office holder is a socialist. I have ZERO clue why they keep trying to redefine the term. A democratic socialist wants to do away with capitalism and have the state assume control of basically all major means of production. Not even present-day Bernie advocates for this. AOC certainly does not. Old school 70's and 80's Bernie did. Maybe he is misrepresenting himself all this time and just pretending to be a social democrat. He certainly has despicable supporters and surrogates like the odious Nina Turner and the duplicitous David Sirota. I trust them as far as a monkey can fling poo.

This hipster, radical chic pose is neither honest nor wise, regardless of the Twitter street cred it garners. SOME of his 'movement' supporters (non DU) are indeed a clear and present danger to the entire country as they attempt to kneecap the only viable resistance to Trump and the multivariate demons he enables and raises up.

Some (obviously not referring to anyone on DU) of Sanders' core minions use democratic rhetoric with undemocratic intent. That is classic Kremlin style non-linear warfare and reflexive control.

democratic with a small d btw.

[crazytown]

40. In my case, you're preaching to the converted.

In college (this dates me) I had Trotskyites say in one breath what an obscenity Stalinism is, and in the next, praise ‘the glorious red army’s’ mission to free the people of Afghanistan from the shackles of religious superstition.

[Celerity]

41. just so I do not look a person lobbing accusations with no proof

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[crazytown]

43. 'Communism is very good'

Sometimes commentators are mystified why Senator Sanders won’t drop the word ‘socialist’. I’m not.

Historically, the most progressive Democrats like FDR and RFK have also been the ones most opposed to socialism.

[Celerity]

44. ihihihih +1000000000000000000000000

[crazytown]

45. Walter Reuther, the longtime president of the UAW

liked to tell this story against his predecessor, R.J. Thomas who followed Trotsky.

Thomas was meeting with Ford workers to discuss his strategy to unionise the workplace. He made the mistake of saying something like, ‘Come the revolution brothers, you will all be driving Lincolns’. One employee spoke up. He said ‘I don’t want to drive a Lincoln’. Thomas lost his temper: ‘Come the revolution comrade’ he said ‘You will do as you’re damn well told!’. The meeting was not a success.

Of course it was made up (or I hope it was) but it gets the point across.

[Celerity]

46. thank you so much for the mini history lesson

There is so so much (on both sides) disinfo about the first half of the century American socialist/communist banter. I hate authoritarianism of all types, and so so much of the far far left has that as its core. Obviously so does the oligarchic version of crony/predatory capitalism. For me the bottom line is that we do NOT have to sublimate the vast majority of most private enterprise to to state control AND we simply must stop regulatory capture as well.

[GemDigger]

30. That's a pretty broad brush you just painted a lot of people with that are not

deserving of it. What you just did is exactly what you are complaining that the non Sanders DU'ers are doing.

[Celerity]

33. corrected to some

[GemDigger]

34. Thank you.

[Celerity]

37. yw! sorry for the grammatical non clarity

[moreland01]

24. This really gets my blood boiling . .

If this author talked like that to my face, I'd have to give her a piece of my mind. And I don't like confrontation. But the ACA in any form (any Blue candidate), is better than no ACA (trump). The EPA back up and running (any freaking Blue candidate) is better than the current EPA (under trump). Abortion rights (under any freaking Blue candidate) is better than what trump is doing. I could go on and on. And her calling me a "little self-absorbed package", "dimwitted" and "selfish, contemptible, unethical establishment enabler makes me want to to to to . . .. . Well, they are fighting words. Talk about masochism. I've never been in a chick fight before, but look out!!!!!

[crazytown]

25. IMO it's not about policy, or principles, or ethics,

it’s about raw power. ‘I want an executive branch who will employ my (kind of) people’. The DSA and other fringe leftists have no other path to positions of power.

[onecaliberal]

31. We will lose again. Idgaf who the blue candidate is, they're a million times better than any puke.

[NurseJackie]

35. Thank you for sharing this! We need to know what kind of kooks (all kinds) that we must deal with.

Thank you for sharing this! We need to know what kind of kooks (all kinds) that we must deal with.

Clearly, they've already made up their mind and it's not worth anyone's time to try and cajole or validate them... especially with no guarantee of results. It's much wiser to invest the SAME amount of time in getting a dozen NEW voters excited about supporting the party rather than wasting that time on one unreliable voter.

Basically, what we're dealing with here is the Sarandon wing and the Nina Turner wing of the party. The pouters and the butthurt cynics who feel ENTITLED to whatever it is they want and who are willing to take revenge on anyone who stands in their way or who prevents them from having their way.

[crazytown]

38. You are most welcome NurseJackie

[Gothmog]

39. I saw this mind set close up at the National Convention

I was a Clinton delegate to the national convention and I met many sanders supporters with this mindset. It was nasty. I was there when the sanders delegates booed Congressman John Lewis. I was warned about this stunt 20 to 30 minutes before it happened by the Clinton campaign whip. According to my whip, sanders was asked to stop this event and declined.

I was at the Texas delegation breakfast when a group of sanders delegates marched in and demanded that we condemn Clinton and change our votes to sanders.

sanders spoke to the Texas delegation the next morning and his speech was again solely about himself. There was a mini-riot due to his delegates the prior morning and the only thing that sanders talked about was himself. sanders did nothing to deal with the fact that his delegates were out of control and did nothing to try to help Hillary Clinton win the general election.

Finally a group of sanders delegates yelled at my daughter and called her the c-Word because she would not try to get me to change my vote. Again sanders was asked to tell his delegates to behave during the convention and sanders refused

I am not surprised by the fact that BOB types are objecting to supporting the nominee of the party.

I will support the nominee of the party no matter who it is. We must defeat trump

[crazytown]

47. Thugs.

I am sorry you and your daughter were subjected to this.

[trueblue2007]

48. How awful for you. I'm sorry you had to endure that.

I am not so sure I could have handled that situation with grace.