Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forum**Maybe Beto is the one ** He leads Trump by the largest margin 52-42 Biden 51-45 Sanders 50-44
https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/05/01/rel6d.-.trump.and.2020.pdf
I just wanna beat Chump. Whoever has the best chance of beating Chump is my guy or gal.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,486 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)Hopefully now people will start looking and listening so they figure it out too, lol.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I hope Beto has one of them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,161 posts)aren't dependent upon Iowa. SC and California in Harris' case and SC in Booker's are the important ones.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)-Cinderella
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rgbecker
(4,831 posts)Forget about policy, issues and moving them forward.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)And he mobilized the youth vote in Texas with a 500% increase in turnout. Can you imaging that nationwide?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)Its not like throwing a bucket of mud at the wall and seeing what sticks.
We pick fantastically qualified candidates who happen to be female or black or gay or from Texas.
For fucks sake I am sick of these insinuations and insults.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)comments made here...have to have a woman or poc. I agree with you too that this is against our own beliefs.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)My main belief is that we need to bring together a coalition of peopleof black and white and Latino and Asian-American and Native-Americanaround a progressive agenda which is prepared to take on an extraordinarily powerful ruling class in this country. That is my view. Many of my opponents do not hold that view, and they think that all that we need is people who are candidates who are black or white, who are black or Latino or woman or gay, regardless of what they stand for, that the end result is diversity. - Bernie Sanders
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)If our candidates think that because they are this or that that it's their sole purpose for running. I think they all have their own ideas and agendas first. I think there are voters who are picking that way though. I wish I had a dollar for how many times people said, no old white guy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)for POTUS, policy doesn't matter terribly much anyway. US Presidents don't write the bills that actually execute policy. Congress does. We need a POTUS that will sign any Democratic Party platform legislation that will make it through the Senate.. pretty much all will. We need a POTUS that will VETO any Republican party platform legislation that makes it through. Pretty much all will.
We need a POTUS that will make good judgements on appointments.. pretty much all will.
None of the above happens if the one that finishes with >270 is Cheetolini.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)after 2010 when Dems refused to turn out to vote in the midterms and he got stuck with a GOP Congress?
Sure there are policy things the president can do to cause damage, but theyre mostly limited to executive orders which are temporary and just get undone as soon as another president takes office.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)I love President Obama, I understand why he had to resort to it due to the wall of obstruction, but really, it's not the way we should be doing business here.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)to go into excruciating detail on policy specifics. Eyes glaze over. Big ideas and evoking emotion work so much better. Once a policy idea reaches Congress the details will all change anyway based on research and discussion.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spooky3
(34,452 posts)So if your standard is whoever can beat Trump by the biggest margin, you would need to have the electoral college votes, not the popular vote.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I know the Electoral College is an impediment but if a ten point popular vote win can't overcome the Electoral College we're screwed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spooky3
(34,452 posts)to have that big of a lead.
We really can't rely on these early polls, especially if they are outliers.
Did you notice that the margin of error was ~4 percentage points for the questions with ~1000 respondents? And the questions involving the matchups with Trump were half that size, so the MOE is even larger.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)time I looked at them, we could win with the first three. That was with like 42% approval. They say trump can win with 45%. But then, TRussia will interfere again and NV doesn't like trump but doesn't like any Dem either.
I will be interesting to track ongoing. Like to see these states below 40.
BTW, we can win Texas but ONLY with a very active anti Facebook media plan. Buy the same target list trump/GOP/Cruz used to stop Beto last time. Hire a team of crack techies with $$$. As soon as a smear ad appears, counter it immediately. May mitigate enough. You are talking low info people here who read smear and pass to everyone without checking validity.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)When he is in full swing, no one can beat that charisma and eloquence.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Wow.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JI7
(89,249 posts)news much, he has been covering a lot of ground across the country.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Who said he is only hitting early primary states.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)Iowa
Wisconsin
Michigan
Pennsylvania
New Hampshire
South Carolina
Nevada
Texas
Iowa (again)
South Carolina (again)
North Carolina
Virginia
New Hampshire (again)
Nevada (again)
California
Texas (again, just for today)
Tomorrow he goes back to Iowa again for another 14 events in 4 days.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)#participants for events but there's a leader for each. Very impressive! I worked for him in Texas. Think he's great
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)He's building a massive grassroots ground game.
https://map.betoorourke.com/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)As far as "When he is in full swing, no one can beat that charisma and eloquence," you just might be right about that as well, at least the charisma part.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JI7
(89,249 posts)out of all the candidates I have seen and read.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Indygram
(2,113 posts)Ground game, ground game, ground game....
https://map.betoorourke.com/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
snowybirdie
(5,227 posts)to inspire me. I keep hearing he's great, but haven't heard or seen him in tv or radio where I get my political information. He can reach many more people by at least appearing in media venues once in a while. A mistake to rely on old time campaign practices in this day of media saturation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)He also has dozens of facebook live videos on his account. He's attended Al Sharpton's NAN forum, She The People and the SEIU Worker's Forum. He's been on AxeFiles in the last month. He was on All In with Chris Hayes a few nights ago. There are many opportunities to hear and see him. I think you will see him get more coverage now, though.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)but, I remain open to hear more what he has to say... still not sure where Beto stands on certain progressive issues that are important to average Americans. Hopefully, he'll put more 'meat on the bones" of his campaign.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Indygram
(2,113 posts)He has the ability of packaging more progressive policies in a more balanced way that doesn't scare the bejesus out of moderates. He also really listens to voters and is open to ideas that make sense. He NEVER poll tests anything, so he's not changing up his message based on who his audience is. He's honest, hopeful and unifying. Also...when someone is elected on a state level their job is to represent the interests of their state. When they are elected on a national level their job is to represent the interests of all states. He talks a lot about his policy plans when he answers questions in town halls. He's answered over 600 questions. He streams those town halls live on facebook. You should listen to some of those. You might be surprised.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)He'd appeared to be fading in the last several weeks. This poll (and especially if he has a few more like this) will push his name back into the electorate's consciousness. He managed a near miracle in Texas and could actually put Texas in play for 2020.
Interesting candidate! And I liked the sound of his climate change program.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)My mind is open to that candidate who has the best chance of vanquishing Chump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)It's all about winning in 2020, thoroughly repudiating the wanna-be dictator squatting in the WH and his odious enablers. The person who can do that? Will earn my vote. Right now I'm a Go for Joe. But that could change depending on what happens between now and when the polls open up.
I'm for who ever can win. Period.
If O'Rourke can manage to catch lightening in a bottle a second time? Then he'll wipe the floor with Trump.
And that's what I'm looking for--a solid, indisputable win.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)His Climate Plan actually incorporates a lot of incentives for midwest farmers and even recognizes coal miners. His message of unity and not writing anyone off, listening to and respecting everyone is extremely appealing to Independents and people who voted for Trump and regret it. He is very clear that he wants to serve ALL Americans, even those who may not always agree with him and he wants to hear what those people have to say too. It's a big part of what makes him so special.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)in the debates. I think we'll see a real thinning of the herd after that. Candidates will shine or dim on their own merits. Poll numbers will indicate the electorate's impression and donors will swell or ebb in concert.
Looking forward to the debates. I think most of us are. I haven't had the opportunity to see O'Rourke on the debate stage. But he'll have a chance to carve his own space. Along with the rest.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)Since he never poll tests anything everything that comes out of his mouth is 100% what he believes without any adjustments based on his audience. That gives him a powerful authenticity and allows him to answer questions very easily on the fly in a very genuine and thoughtful way.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)offers more ears and eyeballs. All our candidates will be scrutinized, the back and forth judged accordingly. Certainly, O'Rourke's experience in these various rallies and conversations, fielding a wide variety of subjects, will serve him well.
We need patience. Let the process roll out.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)And by God he is tall. It looked like he's about a full foot taller than Cruz. If he were elected he would be tied for the tallest president in US history right up there with Abraham Lincoln at 6'5".
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Indygram
(2,113 posts)And from his time in the House of Representatives while working on veteran homelessness. Veterans LOVE Beto.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4761161/beto-orourke-homeless-veterans
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Fla Dem
(23,668 posts)Last edited Thu May 2, 2019, 11:30 AM - Edit history (2)
The first and most recent is just a poll done in Texas. That one O'Rourke ties Trump. Biden beats Trump. There's also a Rasmussen poll which is pretty much discredited as a biased poll. I personally have not selected my candidate, although have 3 I favor. Going to wait until after the first debates.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/general_election/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I like all our Democratic candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Like OP poll here.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,571 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)Which states would he lose?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,571 posts)Votes. We need to rebuild the blue wall with Biden. And Beto or Castro would both help with Texas if one of them was VP... shouldn't count on Texas.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)LBK, W - The Lone Star State has its own nationalism. They like Texans in the Whitehouse.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,571 posts)And they take the rustbelt and maybe Texas...but Castro would work too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)Which means less time and money for other states. Beto also has a PROVEN ability to increase new young voter participation by 500%. He can do that across the country which means giant wins all across the country and an increased chance to taking the Senate, state legislatures, judges and governor races everywhere.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,571 posts)Will fight for Texas regardless.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)Beto does.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,571 posts)Risking the election.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)what's your point?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,571 posts)for us in 20 ...should he be the nominee. Sorry I don't buy it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)No elections are won from just voting against the other person. They are won by giving people something to vote for.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,571 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)The margins in 2016 were wafer thin. There were huge swings back to the Dems in 2018.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,571 posts)It is based on Beto's announced policy positions. He also lost a statewide race in Texas against a despised incumbent in 18.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)You are an admirable advocate for Joe Biden, your analysis of his chances in MI, PA and WI is spot on, but you have a bad case of one-itis. Beto is a centrist. He fits the generic profile of a winner
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,571 posts)I want to win.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)but Ive never doubted your commitment to the Democratic Party, the Midwest and the Nation. Respect.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,571 posts)the best chance. We have had a devastating event in 16 if it holds... we lost the rustbelt including Ohio and also Florida. We turned Virginia blue so as long as we had the rustbelt we were OK. But in 16 Trump used the rustbelt to win in the electoral college. This is his 2020 strategy. If we nominate someone who can't win there. We will lose. Maybe we take Arizona,Texas, Georgia and North Carolina and win. But, I consider this a long shot. Pick a nominee for the rustbelt and a VP for other states. We have a Senate race in both Arizona and Colorado so maybe those states would work for a VP candidate. That will be up to the nominee. I just want to win. Trump must go or we are cooked.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,571 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)He increased youth turnout by 500%.
He delivered TWO reliably Republican Rep seats to Democrats.
He helped elect 17 African American female judges which means real change for Texas.
He almost won on those same positions in Texas.
John Kerry was supposedly the safe pick, too.
Trump is going to make this election about dividing over the border and immigration and race. Beto is all about unity and hope...and there is NO ONE better on immigration and the border. And if Trump tries to go back to attacking NFL players and other racial division nonsense...Beto is great on race too. He is able to talk about these issues in a way that inspires and unites.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Indygram
(2,113 posts)eom
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,571 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)I have lived in New England, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Mississippi and now Florida.
I'm originally from a very, very rural area. I've also lived in the suburbs bordering very large cities as well as in small city limits.
Beto can win the rust belt because of how he campaigns. He will go there and listen to their concerns and ideas, show them they matter to him and as he does everywhere else, he will incorporate their concerns into his policy plans.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,571 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)I also have friends and family who still live there. Beto can definitely win there. Just because Biden can do well there doesn't mean that no one else can.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,571 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)And he will win those voters over by earning their votes. That's how he rolls.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,571 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)I think a Biden Beto ticket, together could win Rustbelt and Texas.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)Right now he is leading due to Trump anxiety and desperation to beat him. Biden hasn't really talked about his positions yet and I'm concerned that some of his positions, unless they have drastically changed, are going to turn off young voters. I like Biden and will happily vote for him without having to plug my nose at all, however I think once his positions are made clear he may not be so appealing as he seems right now.
I also don't foresee him ever wanting to be VP again. I think Beto will be the nominee and I think there is a good chance he will pick Stacy Abrams.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Indygram
(2,113 posts)video on this page shows how Beto can appeal to rustbelt voters.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,571 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)Just have to scroll down a bit.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/18/beto-orourke-woos-unions-workers-democrats-michigan/3201904002/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ooky
(8,922 posts)He just lost a statewide election to unpopular Ted Cruz there. What would change in Texas?
That said, it's important to watch how he will be received in other battleground states, and I still have my doubts that any democrat can win Texas either. He probably does the best there of any dems and will force Trump to spend money there. To me those factors and the early national polling do seem positive.
I think if we have to win Texas we are probably in trouble, but I'm not pinning our hopes on Texas anyway.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)Voters often want different things from local and state candidates than they do for president. This is why Vermont votes for Democrats for President but have a Republican governor.
It will be MUCH easier for Beto to beat Trump in Texas than it was to beat Cruz. Electing a president is about electing a leader, not a lawmaker.
Beto can win Texas. He can win Florida, which still has a massive amount of Puerto Ricans displaced from Maria living there. They are NOT voting Trump. Any state that has been hit with floods, fires, hurricanes...his Climate Plan includes preparing BEFORE getting hit. He has really broad appeal and he can appeal to progressives while not scaring moderates. He is hopeful and will unify people.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emulatorloo
(44,124 posts)I do like Beto. Looking forward to hearing him speak soon.
Saw Biden speak on Monday, he got us on our feet, fired up, and inspired and teary-eyed about lifting up our country.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
nevergiveup
(4,760 posts)but still believe Beto is the one to watch. The guy has tons of energy, passion, empathy, intelligence and is impressive in one on one with voters. If he catches fire later in the summer or fall he could go all the way. I personally believe he would tromp Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)because he's the only one not zeroing on Trumpies.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dubyadiprecession
(5,711 posts)Sorry Bernie.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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TomJulie
(98 posts)Yeah, there's that infamous "but". I really like Sanders and Biden more because I honestly don't believe Beto has a snowball chance in hell of beating Trump no matter what the polls say at this moment in time.
Of the listed candidates - I believe Biden has the best chance. Old Joe is a seasoned pro. He knows how the game is played and he knows how to win. The part that really worries me is I worry about his ability to physically hold up to the long daily grind of a demanding campaign.
Bernie was my guy in 2016 but now I have serious doubts about his chances vs Trump.
Although she wasn't on the list, my candidate is Michelle Obama. I really believe she would have the best chance of winning over Trump. Her VP has to be someone solid with as few skeletons in their closet as possible. Maybe Beto would be a good VP.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Indygram
(2,113 posts)I honestly find this so astounding to hear people say this. I couldn't be closer to the kind of voter Democrats typically want their candidate to appeal to. I'm a registered Independent moderate voter. I have only volunteered for one prior campaign in my over 50 years. I did that mainly because my friend got me involved. I really liked Obama a lot but not anywhere near as much as I am liking Beto. My health isn't great but when I watch him speak I want to drop everything and go knock on doors and volunteer even though I can't. The guy has this normally unimpressed Independent feeling some kinda way. If Democrats sleep on Beto it will be a massive, massive mistake. I like Biden OK, but I'd rather spend an hour looking at the Obama/Biden memes than stand in line to watch him speak. I'd go see Beto in a heartbeat, though. So there you have it. Beto has the "it" factor and if some could see beyond any given purity test or anxiety over perceived odds at beating Trump they might realize they have a once in a lifetime type of candidate right under their noses.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TomJulie
(98 posts)There's something about his mannerisms, the way he flails his arms about and the way he talks. He's too animated.
Also....Although he did well, with all the money he had, he still lost to grandpa Munster Ted Cruz.
Take care, Indygram.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
andym
(5,443 posts)We will see if he has what it takes. That means knowing when to fight back and make Trump look ridiculous, and knowing when to keep quiet and let Trump's words speak for themselves.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TomJulie
(98 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,571 posts)the best chance...maybe Castro or Beto as VP.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
StevieM
(10,500 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wise choice, imo!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)American voters act like consumers. Harris has the same "brand" going.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
coti
(4,612 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mountain grammy
(26,620 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brooklynite
(94,553 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)That is even more significant I think.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brooklynite
(94,553 posts)ORourke 52%
Biden 51%
Sanders 50%
Harris 49%
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,231 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden