Sanders on North Korea (from ABC News)

[George II]

Link to tweet

[Iliyah]

1. This I do disagree with.

[Thomas Hurt]

2. Trump has used NK as a marketing ploy for self promotion.

As of the latest news he has accomplished nothing that any other administration has not tried or accomplished.

Un is in power and Trump likes it that way.

Un is still working on nukes just with a different delivery system, short range instead of long-range missiles.

Anything that was accomplished on the long missile tests was the work of the United Nations and the SK President.

Trump has been won over with a big letter. He has declared victory over and NK and thinks the way Un's people worship him is cool.

[Me.]

3. Of Course Not

But JOe Biden, on the other hand, is open to all criticism.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

4. This is a dangerously uninformed answer.

[Nuggets]

5. Really Bernie?

Trump gets screwed by NK and the entire world can plainly see it was except tRump’s vile supporters and Sanders?

May I add

[Hortensis]

57. Maybe Sanders needs Trump's supporters and this is a

line cast into their end of the pond.

After all, both S and T lead competing class-based populist movements fueled by hostility toward "elites," claiming their goal is power to the people, and promising much better healthcare than the Democrats' ACA.

And of course much of the negative, antagonistic energy driving them comes from the social conservatives who dominate populist movements (both movements want "Obamacare" erased along with the rest of Obama's legacy).

And of course Sanders is openly trying to draw trumpsters to him who are becoming disaffected with Trump-the-weak-idiot who's betraying his economically progressive campaign promises.

[dalton99a]

6. Does he ever look at cartoons?

[NurseJackie]

9. Ha!

[comradebillyboy]

7. Bernie's understanding of foreign affairs has always been pretty shakey...

[SMC22307]

12. LOL He's one of the few who didn't fall for the Republican lies...

about Iraq. But you keep telling yourself he lacks understanding. Too bad other Democrats didn't have the same understanding... we would have avoided the death, destruction, and obscene amounts of money spent on that highly immoral war.

[NYMinute]

15. Whataboutism

We are talking about 2019. Not 2002.

[SMC22307]

20. Nope. Sweep the atrocity known as the Iraq War under the rug all you want...

many of us won't. The person I replied to questioned Sanders' foreign policy cred. Bernie is one of the few politicians not duped by Republicans and got it right on Iraq. He also has it right about that truly evil prick Netanyahu and the treatment of Palestinians. Years or decades later doesn't matter... he got it right, unlike other congresspersons apologizing or 'splainin to within an inch of their lives.

[BannonsLiver]

24. If you think Iraq will be decisive in this primary you will be disappointed

Hell, it wasn’t even decisive when Bernie tried to relitigate it in 2016 when he lost that primary. It’s just not going to move the needle. Sorry.

[JI7]

36. that's becsuse people blame Bush for the Iraq disaster

[BannonsLiver]

38. That probably has something to do with the fact he is responsible.

[emulatorloo]

54. Yeah, because Bush chose to lie and invade. His decision. His responsibility.

Bush lied, people died.

End of story.

[emulatorloo]

53. Iraq was Bush's war. You keep forgetting that.

Nobody’s sweeping Bush’s war under the rug at DU. That’s a big ole strawman.

End of conversation

[George II]

17. What does Iraq have to do with North Korea in 2019?

[SMC22307]

18. Judgment, decision-making, grasp of foreign policy.

Sanders is right about the corrupt bastard Netanyahu and what's being done to the Palestinians, as well.

You don't take those things into account when electing a president?

[George II]

19. We're talking about North Korea and Sanders' praise of trump. Start your own thread, please.

[SMC22307]

21. Stop trying to control where/what DUers post. We can walk and chew gum...

Bernie's thoughts on NK as well as his past foreign policy positions... they're kinda inter-related, you know. Same with Sanders condemning that evil bastard Bibi for his treatment of the Palestinians.

[R B Garr]

25. Bernie gave Russian oligarchs a pass, not such great

judgment. The election interference is the greatest issue of our time and he is suspiciously absent.

There would be no Iraq war without the ridiculous purity standards against Gore. The same thing happened with Hillary. More people are aware of the divisiveness that brought that on....

[NYMinute]

27. Putin is smiling .....

[R B Garr]

31. Exactly, Putin must be happy for the help from the Senator.

[George II]

32. Sanders' foreign policy experience is virtually non-existent. Praising trump's attitude toward...

...North Korea and their regime is appalling, giving us a great insight of the grasp he has on foreign policy.

I'll take Biden's foreign policy experience over Sanders' in a heart beat.

[NYMinute]

34. He did have that honeymoon in Moscow

That is as good as seeing Russia from his house.

[Drunken Irishman]

28. lol so what? Trump said he didn't support the Iraq War either.

Does that mean he's not naive?

[George II]

37. You sure it wasn't one of those "it would have passed anyway" votes?

[Blue_true]

46. Most likely was if you remember that time period.

It is good show to take a contrary vote when you are bound to lose anyway, but no one should mistake that for courage.

[LongtimeAZDem]

49. So he agreed with Trump then, too. Seems like a pattern.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

52. Nothing shakey about Bernie's judgment when it comes to foreign policy...

especially when compared to Joe.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[qazplm135]

55. right so you are on-board

that you can't fault Trump for how he is handling NK then right?

[MineralMan]

8. "Does not fault Trump?" Really, Bernie?

I fault Trump for his actions WRT Kim and North Korea. His "Hail, fellow. Well met" attitude toward tyrannical dictators is alarming and unproductive.

I find fault with your not finding fault, Bernie.

[NurseJackie]

10. Our country needs someone who DOES find fault with Trump's attitude toward tyrannical dictators.

Clearly, and sadly, BS isn't up to that minimum standard or qualification. I'll continue to look for a stronger and wiser candidate to support whose views are closer aligned to my own, and to reality.

[Blue_true]

47. I can see trying for peace with North Korea.

But Kim is not a rational player and is murderous. If he somehow got replaced by his sister, I could see efforts going somewhere, but if he even suspect her, she and anyone close to her is dead.

[R B Garr]

22. Exactly! Well said, MM. It's more than NK.

Bernie’s praise for Trump is alarming. He also gave Russian oligarchs a pass.

[betsuni]

11. ...

[sheshe2]

13. For Real?!

[NYMinute]

14. Trump coddled Kim Jong Un

thinking that he would use his bullying to get Kim Jong Un to bow.

Instead, Trump was the one who got played. He saluted a NK General for heaven's sake!

Also, Trump elevated Kim Jong Un from the status of an annoying mosquito to "world leader"

Really Bernie? This was all good?

[TreasonousBastard]

16. Well, I blame Trump. And I vote.

[revmclaren]

23. Anyone who praises or excuses Trump

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Is a Trump enabler! Period!



ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.

[Gothmog]

26. I disagree with both sanders and trump on how we are dealing with North Korea

[Laelth]

30. Hear! Hear! n/t

-Laelth

[Laelth]

29. There is PLENTY to fault in Trump's handling of North Korea.

The United States that I know and love does not claim "personal friendship" with totalitarian dictators like Kim Jong Un and Vladamir Putin. Trump prefers totalitarian dictators to the leaders (and people) of our democratic/republican allies (i.e. the United Kingdom, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, France, Germany, Japan, South Korea, Spain, Italy, Taiwan, Mexico, Sweden, Finland, etc.). You name a democracy, and you will find Trump ignoring them and then, instead, cozying up to the dictators in autocratic states like North Korea and Russia.

No. Here Bernie is wrong. I can not condone Trump's foreign policy, in any way, and Bernie should not do so, either.

(And here I really regret the fact that Hillary Clinton did not become President. She was an excellent Secretary of State and had also been first lady for 8 years. She knew all the players on the global, political scene, and she would have done a much better job representing American interests than the dictator-loving buffoon we now allow to live in the White House.)

-Laelth

[oasis]

35. Trump was "played" by Li'l Kim. Many of us got it.

[Cha]

39. Sen. Bernie Sanders says he "does not fault Trump" in his handling of North Korea

Link to tweet

[ucrdem]

41. That sort of flushes his whole rationale for running for POTUS down the WC

Somebody needs to remind him of who he's supposed to be running against. It ain't Joe Biden.

[Cha]

42. Yeah, who his "opponent"

is.

[ehrnst]

50. Not such a good foreign policy statement... (Nt)

[Cha]

58. No kidding.

[ucrdem]

40. This is where the Independent thing gets him into trouble.

Yes, it's nice that North Korea hasn't blown itself up and taken China with it, yet, but on other hand, Un is not our friend and no amount of making nice will disarm their nukes. Bernie's flying by the seat of his pants and stumbling badly here IMHO.

[peggysue2]

43. Obviously, the Senator from Vermont has not read the comments by . . .

Otto Warmbier's mother who has called NK a cancer on earth and that Trump's so-called negotiations with Kim Jong Un are a charade. This is particularly relevant now that we know $2 million was paid for Warmbier's hospital bills.

Sanders is tone-deaf.

[lillypaddle]

44. WTF???

This fool scares the hell out of me.

[Blue_true]

45. I agree with Bernie mostly.

But I don't think that Kim is a rational player. Any person that had diplomats executed because a summit failed isn't playing with the same deck that we are.

I believe that his sister is halfway rational, but if he ever suspects her of looking to replace him one day, she is dead.

[DesertRat]

48. Sanders "does not fault Trump" in his handling of North Korea

[Eyeball_Kid]

51. NO, Bernie. Just NO.

There can be NO positive attribution to what Trumpy is doing to foreign policy, and domestic policy for that matter. The NK threat has NOT diminished, and NK will continue to stockpile nuclear weapons and delivery systems. Nothing has changed except Trumpy's PR nonsense and unadulterated bullshit.

[lunamagica]

56. K&R for visibility