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Tue May 7, 2019, 09:23 AM

 

The Conspiracy Against Bernie Sanders

First, let me say I have many friends who are Bernie supporters here in Florida.

Lately, they have been getting mad at me when I put on Facebook news reports about how much Biden is ahead of Sanders in various opinion polls.

In short, they have said (a) the polls are biased (b) the polls were done incorrectly (c) it is all fake news (d) it is all propaganda, and (e) there is a conspiracy against Sanders on the part of Democrats who are trying to defeat him.

Most of these people are carrying over their frustrations from 2016 and they still believe Bernie was cheated out of the nomination by the Evil Democratic Party. (which by the way is demonstrably false)

I have analyzed over 10 different national and state polls showing Biden with huge leads (all at least 20% or more) and come up with a conclusion.

If there is a conspiracy against Bernie Sanders on the part of Democrats, it is because Democrats in general don't like Bernie Sanders very much.

And this conclusion is reflected in the poll results. The carryover from 2016 is that your average Democratic primary voter is still very unhappy with the campaign that Bernie ran against Hillary.

Bernie is not even a Democrat, and Democrats know this, and the vast majority of them are not comfortable enough with him to turn over leadership of the party to him.

Democrats in general are not socialists. And many of my friends who like Bernie are not really Democrats either.

So I would suggest Bernie supporters look at the truth as it is today: It's not a real conspiracy, it's just a general agreement among Democratic voters to look for "anybody but Bernie."

This could change over the next year or so, but for now I wish my Bernie-supporting friends would just stop their damn whining and see what is really going on. Bernie has a LOT of work to do to win a Democratic Party nomination for president.

And the more he attacks Democrats the less of a chance he has.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Vidal May 2019 OP
DownriverDem May 2019 #1
Kahuna7 May 2019 #5
BannonsLiver May 2019 #10
Kahuna7 May 2019 #12
Demsrule86 May 2019 #7
katmondoo May 2019 #2
MH1 May 2019 #8
comradebillyboy May 2019 #3
handmade34 May 2019 #4
WeekiWater May 2019 #6
MH1 May 2019 #9
lunamagica May 2019 #15
BannonsLiver May 2019 #11
peggysue2 May 2019 #13
lunamagica May 2019 #14
NYMinute May 2019 #17
brooklynite May 2019 #16
NYMinute May 2019 #18
NYMinute May 2019 #19

Response to Vidal (Original post)

Tue May 7, 2019, 09:30 AM

1. The country

 

is not far left. I've been pointing that out and some folks get mad. As for Bernie, I only support true Dems. A true Dem does not attack our party. I would love to see a Biden/Harris ticket.
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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #1)

Tue May 7, 2019, 09:55 AM

5. They're determined to make it far left.

 

How does that work?????
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Response to Kahuna7 (Reply #5)

Tue May 7, 2019, 11:53 AM

10. Why with a revolution of course.

 

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #10)

Tue May 7, 2019, 12:15 PM

12. Silly me. I forgot....

 

"The people will demand it."
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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #1)

Tue May 7, 2019, 10:02 AM

7. I have too. Our path to victory runs through WI, MI and PA.These are not far left

 

voters.
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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Tue May 7, 2019, 09:41 AM

2. At times I think we are forced to like Bernie or suffer the consequences

 

He never appealed to me, and I resented his treatment of Hillary. No Hillary this time so it will be harder for him to gain the momentum
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Response to katmondoo (Reply #2)

Tue May 7, 2019, 10:43 AM

8. What you said.

 

Your headline is exactly what I was thinking. I know that attitude is rife among his supporters. And he seems to do nothing to tamp it down. Which is my biggest problem with him - IMO he is no leader. He has potential to be a demagogue, but not a leader. And that's sad, because he has proposed some good policy positions.
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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Tue May 7, 2019, 09:51 AM

3. A conspiracy by the vast majority of Democrats to nominate

 

a Democrat. Sanders and his followers all seem to think he deserves to be gifted with the nomination because reasons. Sanders criticizes Democratic candidate but whines loudly when he gets scrutiny and pushback.
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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Tue May 7, 2019, 09:52 AM

4. hmm...

 

"In short, they have said (a) the polls are biased (b) the polls were done incorrectly (c) it is all fake news (d) it is all propaganda, and (e) there is a conspiracy against Sanders on the part of Democrats who are trying to defeat him"

sounds like irrational Trump supporters when talking about media's treatment of T...

Bernie is not a Democrat... should not be running in the Dem Primaries

I personally like Bernie, personally agree with policies... but want him to keep his job in the Senate

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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Tue May 7, 2019, 10:00 AM

6. I have been a bit shocked at the polls and how bad Sanders is doing.

 

I honestly didn't expect it. At the same time, I believe the polls are an accurate display of our current moment. That is what these polls are measuring.

Now to make a larger extrapolation from the polls that goes more toward an opinion being derived from them. Those left supporting him are the more hard core supporters. They are those who like Stein and are into Nina Turner and the like. They are not about party or coalition building. They are the most vocal and oppositional group from the past. That is what these low poll numbers tell me about what we are seeing with his scorched earth campaign. He is now simply trying to hold that group.
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Response to WeekiWater (Reply #6)

Tue May 7, 2019, 10:44 AM

9. "He is now simply trying to hold that group." - and THAT is what is so disappointing.

 

He is out for his own elevation, not for improving this country by getting Trump out of there.
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Response to WeekiWater (Reply #6)

Tue May 7, 2019, 02:58 PM

15. I never expected him to win the nomination, but Im' surprised at how fast he is crashing

 

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In Sanders' case to know him is not to love him...and we don't.
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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Tue May 7, 2019, 11:55 AM

11. Hard truths

 

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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Tue May 7, 2019, 12:16 PM

13. Who does this sound like??

 

In short, they have said (a) the polls are biased (b) the polls were done incorrectly (c) it is all fake news (d) it is all propaganda, and (e) there is a conspiracy against Sanders on the part of Democrats who are trying to defeat him.


This is Trumpian in nature: the polls are rigged; fake news, fake news; propaganda; and THE CONSPIRACY!!

It's a wonder the word 'coup' isn't thrown in for good measure.

If Senator Sanders' supporters think this sort of thing helps him, they need to go home and take a lo-o-o-g nap.

They might also consider that a man who goes out of his way to criticize and demean the Democratic Party may find himself in an uncomfortable position when running to lead said party, as in little support. Being a deliberate outsider and harsh critic has its downsides. Who knew????

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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Tue May 7, 2019, 02:55 PM

14. Thing is, he is not the shiny new thing this time around. The more people learn about him,

 

the less they like him.
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Response to lunamagica (Reply #14)

Tue May 7, 2019, 03:02 PM

17. Neither shiny, nor new. nt

 

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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Tue May 7, 2019, 03:01 PM

16. I think unskewedpolls.com is available again...

 

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #16)

Tue May 7, 2019, 03:03 PM

18. lol nt

 

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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Tue May 7, 2019, 03:05 PM

19. Excellent post

 

and your facebook page experience is observed here as well.

It is an anger driven campaign and such campaigns need something to be angry about. If the anger was directed at Trump and republicans it would be one thing but anger directed at Democrats is counterproductive.
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