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sheshe2

(83,729 posts)
Wed May 8, 2019, 08:07 PM May 2019

Why Having a Union is Such a Powerful Tool for Preventing and Addressing Sexual Harassment


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Working women with the benefit of a union on the job are in a stronger position to fight sexual harassment and to get it stopped when it happens. Here’s why:

A union represents the collective power of workers at the workplace. Given that sexual harassment is an abuse of power, typically by a male manager against female subordinates, having a union and collective voice strengthens a worker’s ability to stop harassment. A woman facing sexual harassment is not alone.


Working people with a union feel safer bringing their concerns forward, because they have the power of a collective bargaining agreement and their union behind them. So harassment is more likely to get raised and addressed in a unionized workplace.

The collective bargaining agreements negotiated by workers and their unions with employers typically contain anti-discrimination language and language calling for dignity and respect at work. These contractual provisions are enforced through a grievance and arbitration process at the worksite—a process typically far quicker and less expensive than outside legal proceedings. (
Workers retain the ability to file a discrimination charge with the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission or state agency as well, but often the collective bargaining agreement provides stronger and quicker recourse.)



More: https://aflcio.org/2018/2/15/why-having-union-such-powerful-tool-preventing-and-addressing-sexual-harassment


Great move on Bernie's part after the allegations of his 2016 campaign. Bravo sir for finally recognizing the problem.
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Why Having a Union is Such a Powerful Tool for Preventing and Addressing Sexual Harassment (Original Post) sheshe2 May 2019 OP
Are all the campaign's unionized? uawchild May 2019 #1
Dunno. sheshe2 May 2019 #2
Oh, it's a Sanders thing. uawchild May 2019 #3
You mention BS, yet not your chosen candidate. sheshe2 May 2019 #4
You weren't talking about the Sander's campaign? uawchild May 2019 #8
I was. sheshe2 May 2019 #10
ohh! uawchild May 2019 #11
Cheers! sheshe2 May 2019 #14
Well done. Tipperary May 2019 #42
;) sheshe2 May 2019 #43
I think it would be a good idea if every single worker was able PatrickforO May 2019 #27
According to MSNBC, his is the first... MerryBlooms May 2019 #5
First. sheshe2 May 2019 #6
Positive step forward. n/t MerryBlooms May 2019 #7
After major steps backward during the last campaign, but as he put it........ George II May 2019 #21
Campaigns are generally about a 1-1/2 year enterprise, they disband after the candidate.... George II May 2019 #9
Interesting... sheshe2 May 2019 #12
Pleading to a higher up may have been greeted with this: George II May 2019 #13
Good for Bernie for being out front... TCJ70 May 2019 #15
If he was "out front in protecting campaign workers" this might not have been required.... George II May 2019 #16
Thanks, George. sheshe2 May 2019 #18
So he solved a problem? And this is a negative because... TCJ70 May 2019 #20
He solved a problem of his own making, and this is a positive "because why, again?" Had he.... George II May 2019 #25
This kind of self-reflection and positive response to ones own issues... TCJ70 May 2019 #26
"Self reflection and positive responses to one's own issues." ehrnst May 2019 #31
One step forward from seven steps back... positive indeed! LanternWaste May 2019 #32
Well... TCJ70 May 2019 #37
Who in this thread has expressed "hate?" ehrnst May 2019 #40
No, those working for him solved the problem. KitSileya May 2019 #28
His staff wanted the union, and went forward. And he was right not to stand in their way. ehrnst May 2019 #30
"He was right". Yep. N/t TCJ70 May 2019 #36
Unfortunately, his staff felt the need for union protections. ehrnst May 2019 #38
Lol... sheshe2 May 2019 #17
So he saw a problem, and took steps to fix it. An appropriate one... TCJ70 May 2019 #19
The article is from AFL-CIO. sheshe2 May 2019 #22
Absolutely not. Nor did I suggest so. TCJ70 May 2019 #23
You did say "If your source is accurate." sheshe2 May 2019 #24
Sander's "good choice" in this was not to try to stop his staffers from organizing. ehrnst May 2019 #33
So he empowered his workers to make their own choice... TCJ70 May 2019 #35
Do employees who feel 'empowered' unionize?(nt) ehrnst May 2019 #39
No, his campaign workers organized to get the protections of a union, Sanders didn't bestow a union. ehrnst May 2019 #29
I'm glad Bernie was amenable to it and everything worked out. TCJ70 May 2019 #34
"Sexual Harassment in the Workplace: Where Were the Unions?" Hortensis May 2019 #41
 

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
1. Are all the campaign's unionized?
Wed May 8, 2019, 08:35 PM
May 2019

It would be nice.

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sheshe2

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2. Dunno.
Wed May 8, 2019, 08:37 PM
May 2019

Have all the campaigns had issues with abuse? Warrens hasn't.

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uawchild

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3. Oh, it's a Sanders thing.
Wed May 8, 2019, 08:40 PM
May 2019

Sorry, I am just very pro-union.

Let me get out of the way of the interniccine combat.

Give me a warning next time lol

But back to my naive post, I really do think unionizing all the campaigns would be a good idea in general.

Cheers!

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sheshe2

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4. You mention BS, yet not your chosen candidate.
Wed May 8, 2019, 08:43 PM
May 2019

Where does he stand in all this?

Cheers!

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uawchild

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8. You weren't talking about the Sander's campaign?
Wed May 8, 2019, 09:03 PM
May 2019

Really?

Ok.... I am a little confuse by this discussion.

Want my opinion on the Sanders campaign?

Let me give it to you in any case.

Sander's has taken many good policy positions but is a spent force in Presidential Politics.
I applaud him for championing progressive issues but I hope that after the debates and maybe a primary or two that he drops out when he realizes he can't win the nomination. I hope that he will then throw his support behind one of the excellent candidates remaining. I would prefer if that was one of the next generation of leadership. Warren would be a good fit for many of his supporters when he drops out too.

Now what does this all have to do with me liking unions for all the campaigns? I am still a little confused.

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sheshe2

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10. I was.
Wed May 8, 2019, 09:15 PM
May 2019

Then you said.

uawchild (2,018 posts)

1. Are all the campaign's unionized?

It would be nice.


That is when I mentioned Warren and Booker.


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uawchild

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11. ohh!
Wed May 8, 2019, 09:20 PM
May 2019

Sorry, it's late.

Cheers!

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sheshe2

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14. Cheers!
Wed May 8, 2019, 09:26 PM
May 2019

I am East Coast and 9:24 PM is not late for me. I am a night owl.

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PatrickforO

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27. I think it would be a good idea if every single worker was able
Wed May 8, 2019, 11:18 PM
May 2019

to be represented by a union.

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sheshe2

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6. First.
Wed May 8, 2019, 08:48 PM
May 2019

Yes.

Bernie Sanders apologizes to women who were sexually harassed while working for his 2016 presidential campaign

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/10/bernie-sanders-apologizes-for-sexual-harassment-in-2016-campaign.html

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MerryBlooms

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7. Positive step forward. n/t
Wed May 8, 2019, 08:51 PM
May 2019
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George II

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21. After major steps backward during the last campaign, but as he put it........
Wed May 8, 2019, 09:37 PM
May 2019

“I was a little bit busy running around the country trying to make the case.”

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George II

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9. Campaigns are generally about a 1-1/2 year enterprise, they disband after the candidate....
Wed May 8, 2019, 09:15 PM
May 2019

....either wins or loses. It hasn't been practical to unionize in the past.

This was prompted by a wide-spread and pervasive "culture" (as some women on the campaign described it) of sexual harassment and abuse, and pay inequality. Sanders' workers unionizing is almost like a preemptive move to make certain it doesn't happen again this time around. It's an act of self-defense.

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sheshe2

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12. Interesting...
Wed May 8, 2019, 09:20 PM
May 2019
Sanders' workers unionizing is almost like a preemptive move to make certain it doesn't happen again this time around. It's an act of self-defense.


Exactly. They also do not have to plea to a higher up in the campaign to state their case. They get to plea to an unbiased union member.
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George II

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13. Pleading to a higher up may have been greeted with this:
Wed May 8, 2019, 09:24 PM
May 2019

“I was a little bit busy running around the country trying to make the case.”

Even though "the case" was essentially being violated by the staffers themselves.

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TCJ70

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15. Good for Bernie for being out front...
Wed May 8, 2019, 09:27 PM
May 2019

...in protecting campaign workers. What a leader, right? I’m sure that was the purpose of this post.

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George II

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16. If he was "out front in protecting campaign workers" this might not have been required....
Wed May 8, 2019, 09:33 PM
May 2019

...haven't you read anything about the abuse, harassment, and income inequality during the 2016 campaign? A reminder:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=111775

His response to the abuse? "I was a little bit busy running around the country trying to make the case.”

Harry Truman would likely disagree.

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TCJ70

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20. So he solved a problem? And this is a negative because...
Wed May 8, 2019, 09:37 PM
May 2019

...why, again? Should he have not done this?

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George II

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25. He solved a problem of his own making, and this is a positive "because why, again?" Had he....
Wed May 8, 2019, 10:16 PM
May 2019

....been more in touch with what was going on in his campaign this might not have been necessary.

No other campaign in recent memory have had so many complaints of sexual abuse and harassment or pay inequality. That's why this is happening and why it isn't considered necessary by the staffers or workers of other campaigns.

So again, why is this a positive?

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TCJ70

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26. This kind of self-reflection and positive response to ones own issues...
Wed May 8, 2019, 10:18 PM
May 2019

...is certainly a positive trait in a potential leader. Thanks for pointing it out!

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ehrnst

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31. "Self reflection and positive responses to one's own issues."
Fri May 10, 2019, 12:36 PM
May 2019

If a potential leader was not involved enough with staff to know that a $30,000 settlement was paid out by his own campaign because of a senior staffer creating a hostile workplace environment for women, would you call that a "positive trait in a potential leader?

And if that potential leader, after being informed of the culture of harassment in a campaign never one reached out to those who reported harassment, then months later one, of the main offenders is invited to that potential leader's 'gathering' would you call that "self reflection and positive responses to one's own issues?"

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LanternWaste

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32. One step forward from seven steps back... positive indeed!
Fri May 10, 2019, 12:40 PM
May 2019

But I get how we force ourselves to put a positive spin on sacred cows... else all we'd have is hamburger meat again.

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TCJ70

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37. Well...
Fri May 10, 2019, 04:16 PM
May 2019

...Bernie’s not my top choice this around. I just find the people who’ve invested four years of hate into him ridiculous in this regard. This thread is rife with them.

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ehrnst

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40. Who in this thread has expressed "hate?"
Fri May 10, 2019, 05:31 PM
May 2019

You consider facts to be "hate?" Are you saying that a candidate must be handled with kid gloves, with no regard to the record?

Perhaps you don't believe the women who came forward with those reports of sexual harassment and gender pay inequities? Do you have any reason to think that Sanders staffers would lie about what they experienced?

That $30,000 settlement that the candidate states he didn't know about - do you believe that's not true as well? That reports of that settlement are "hate?"

Your frantic swatdowns to any post that points out the facts concerning the past workplace conditions that likely concerned current staffer to seek the protections of a union, certainly aren't those of someone who "isn't choosing Bernie this time around."

But do go on.



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KitSileya

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28. No, those working for him solved the problem.
Wed May 8, 2019, 11:29 PM
May 2019

Based on previous behavior by their boss, they knew they needed more safety in the work place.

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ehrnst

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30. His staff wanted the union, and went forward. And he was right not to stand in their way.
Fri May 10, 2019, 12:19 PM
May 2019

It's reasonable to posit that they wanted the union because of the revelations by staff alumni about gender pay inequity, and lack of response to harassment complaints - despite the campaign paying out a $30,000 dollar settlement to staffers who reported harrassment in Iowa and Illinois.

The fact that Sanders says that he "didn't know" about that $30,000 settlement may have given them reason to believe that they needed an alternate advocate for them concerning pay, and workplace safety, and organized into a union.

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TCJ70

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36. "He was right". Yep. N/t
Fri May 10, 2019, 04:13 PM
May 2019
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ehrnst

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38. Unfortunately, his staff felt the need for union protections.
Fri May 10, 2019, 05:27 PM
May 2019

So, you're "not for Bernie this time around."

Who do you think is a better choice than he is?

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sheshe2

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17. Lol...
Wed May 8, 2019, 09:34 PM
May 2019
TCJ70

15. Good for Bernie for being out front...

...in protecting campaign workers. What a leader, right? I’m sure that was the purpose of this post.


Psst. It happened within his campaign. Google his first responses.

Nighty Night.
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TCJ70

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19. So he saw a problem, and took steps to fix it. An appropriate one...
Wed May 8, 2019, 09:36 PM
May 2019

...if your article is accurate. So again...good move, Bernie. It’s ok to say it. You don’t have to be afraid.

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sheshe2

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22. The article is from AFL-CIO.
Wed May 8, 2019, 09:46 PM
May 2019
An appropriate one...

...if your article is accurate.


Are they a questionable source now?

2016/2019. Good thing an Amber Alert does not take three years.
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TCJ70

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23. Absolutely not. Nor did I suggest so.
Wed May 8, 2019, 10:01 PM
May 2019

I think it’s great that you recognize Sanders good choices in this regard and are promoting them with your OPs.

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sheshe2

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24. You did say "If your source is accurate."
Wed May 8, 2019, 10:09 PM
May 2019

Oh trust me, I commend sanders for doing this....finally. When he was first asked, he said he was a little to busy. I am appalled that it took him 3 years and a second campaign to do so.

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ehrnst

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33. Sander's "good choice" in this was not to try to stop his staffers from organizing.
Fri May 10, 2019, 01:09 PM
May 2019

He certainly didn't intiate it, as per the UAW release - the campaign would remain "nuetral" so long as a majority of staffers chose to go union.

It was a "good choice," in that it would have been hyppocritical to try to stop them from doing so.

On February 26th, the campaign agreed to remain neutral in the organizing campaign and to recognize Local 400 if a majority of workers signed union cards.


“Political campaigns are cause-driven and because there is always more work that can be done, staffers are typically worked to the bone,” said Local 400 President Mark P. Federici. “But it doesn’t have to be this way. Even political work must be subject to minimum standards. I congratulate our members on the Bernie Sanders campaign for making their own revolution.”


http://www.ufcw400.org/2019/05/08/bernie-sanders-workers-become-first-presidential-campaign-staff-to-ratify-union-contract/


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TCJ70

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35. So he empowered his workers to make their own choice...
Fri May 10, 2019, 04:03 PM
May 2019

...and didn’t stand in their way. Fantastic!

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ehrnst

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39. Do employees who feel 'empowered' unionize?(nt)
Fri May 10, 2019, 05:29 PM
May 2019

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ehrnst

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29. No, his campaign workers organized to get the protections of a union, Sanders didn't bestow a union.
Fri May 10, 2019, 12:13 PM
May 2019

The candidate simply didn't oppose them as long as they got a majority.

On February 26th, the campaign agreed to remain neutral in the organizing campaign and to recognize Local 400 if a majority of workers signed union cards.


“Political campaigns are cause-driven and because there is always more work that can be done, staffers are typically worked to the bone,” said Local 400 President Mark P. Federici. “But it doesn’t have to be this way. Even political work must be subject to minimum standards. I congratulate our members on the Bernie Sanders campaign for making their own revolution.”


http://www.ufcw400.org/2019/05/08/bernie-sanders-workers-become-first-presidential-campaign-staff-to-ratify-union-contract/


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TCJ70

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34. I'm glad Bernie was amenable to it and everything worked out.
Fri May 10, 2019, 04:02 PM
May 2019

Thanks for pointing out how cooperative he was!

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Hortensis

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41. "Sexual Harassment in the Workplace: Where Were the Unions?"
Sat May 11, 2019, 01:59 PM
May 2019
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0160449X18809432 Article from Labor Studies Journal. Unions have a mixed record.

I really do imagine the heightened awareness of sexual harassment problems and how to avoid them, plus potentially explosive damage to the campaign from future problems, will help this one function as it should. That's even though many of the same people who were part of what the NYT described as an "aggressive frat boy culture" have been hired for the Bernie Sanders 2020 Presidential Campaign again. There are reportedly approximately 100 members right now.

However, people being people, everyone involved in this high-pressure, high-stakes campaign presumably has big personal and professional interests in a successful campaign, whatever that is to each of them. And that could tend to both discourage bringing complaints in the first place, by either keeping completely silent or settling without notifying the union, and also to pit anyone who did against everyone else involved.

So it can be a powerful tool if it functions as it's meant to.
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