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Jane Sanders tackles political correctness


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Reply Jane Sanders tackles political correctness (Original post)
Yosemito Mar 2019 OP
InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #1
NurseJackie Mar 2019 #7
Stellar Mar 2019 #51
betsuni Mar 2019 #2
guillaumeb Mar 2019 #3
mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #4
betsuni Mar 2019 #16
R B Garr Mar 2019 #17
mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #19
JI7 Mar 2019 #21
mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #26
JI7 Mar 2019 #35
mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #38
JI7 Mar 2019 #39
mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #41
JI7 Mar 2019 #45
kcr Mar 2019 #46
mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #48
kcr Mar 2019 #49
mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #50
R B Garr Mar 2019 #28
betsuni Mar 2019 #29
mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #31
WeekiWater Mar 2019 #64
mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #20
R B Garr Mar 2019 #36
Eliot Rosewater Mar 2019 #5
R B Garr Mar 2019 #30
comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #59
mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #40
NastyRiffraff Mar 2019 #60
CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #6
Eliot Rosewater Mar 2019 #9
comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #11
R B Garr Mar 2019 #18
Cha Mar 2019 #25
lapucelle Mar 2019 #52
Maru Kitteh Mar 2019 #55
ehrnst Mar 2019 #70
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forklift Mar 2019 #12
melman Mar 2019 #13
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melman Mar 2019 #22
JI7 Mar 2019 #15
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RandySF Mar 2019 #27
jcgoldie Mar 2019 #32
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betsuni Mar 2019 #57
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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 05:54 PM

1. Jane will make a great First Lady too!!

 


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 06:16 PM

7. No she won't.

 

Bernie won't be president. She should focus on tax returns instead. 😜
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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 10:55 PM

51. I agree!

 

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 05:56 PM

2. Is there a War on Wives that I have missed?

 

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Response to betsuni (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 05:59 PM

3. How could you have missed it?

 

It started with the battle of Bowling Green.
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Response to betsuni (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 06:02 PM

4. I don't think that's what she was implying ... you may need to think more deeply (nt)

 

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 08:12 PM

16. Won't you share with we shallow-thinkers what she was implying? Is there a context?

 

Thank you ever so.
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Response to betsuni (Reply #16)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 08:15 PM

17. Good questions. I was wondering if this was a swipe at Hillary...

 

From when Hillary was First Lady and Jane wants to be First Lady?? Iím curious what the context is, too.
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Response to R B Garr (Reply #17)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 08:22 PM

19. I'll answer you both ...

 

She's implying that Liberals think that women identifying themselves as 'a wife', and taking pride in 'being a wife' ... is not considered politically-correct. She's suggesting some liberals feel it's 'diminutive of women', and not giving them their proper station.

Which is not the same thing as a 'war on wives'.
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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #19)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 08:23 PM

21. which liberals believe this ?

 

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Response to JI7 (Reply #21)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 08:43 PM

26. Imagine if, just as a for instance, at the first Democratic debate, the first question to Amy

 

Klobuchar was "Mrs. Klobuchar, the American people really don't know too much about you. If I was to ask 'Who is Amy Klobuchar', what would you say?"

And she replied with "Well, Mr. Moderator, first and foremost, I'm a Wife. I'm Mrs. George Klobuchar".

How well would you imagine that would be received on, say ... Democratic Underground?

Please understand, I'm not 'taking a side here', I'm only trying to clarify what I believe is the correct 'interpretation'.

When someone says 'war on wives' I think 'war on women', and I don't think that's what Mrs. Sanders was getting at.
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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #26)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 08:55 PM

35. why would anyone , especially someone running for president say that?

 

Kamala Harris has talked about how much she lives her husband so there really isn't any reluctance to show this part of people's lives

it's like saying someone who said happy holidays was ashamed or anti christmas.
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Response to JI7 (Reply #35)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 09:28 PM

38. If there's absolutely nothing wrong with it, as your post body suggests ...

 

Then why does your headline express incredulity that someone would actually say that?

Your post as a whole is a bit incongruous, no offense
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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #38)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 09:31 PM

39. because it's implying someone is ashamed of being a wife. just like right wingers

 

trying to make it like people are having a war on christmas because they might have some different greeting.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #39)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 09:38 PM

41. Okay, I see your point. But I think it's a question of where a woman puts 'wife' in her list of

 

'who she is'.

To a wingnut, they'd love to hear a woman say "Well, I'm a Wife to a wonderful husband, and a Mother to 3 great kids, and a District Attorney". That would totally float their boat. Agreed?

Whereas your average liberal (myself included) would much prefer to hear it like:

"Well, I'm a District Attorney, and a Mother of 3 great kids, and a Wife to a Wonderful Husband". And frankly if that last bit wasn't there, we wouldn't bat an eye, would we?

Not a whole lot of liberals (myself included) especially 'like' to hear a woman put 'being a wife' at the top of the list. To the point that I'd say it's not unreasonable to suggest that's not 'politically correct' .. to do so. I mean, given that us liberals ARE pretty much the arbiters of PC, are we not?

So, what part of that would you disagree with, if any?
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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #41)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 09:51 PM

45. the average liberal recognizes what women in the work place and elsewhere are up against and

 

still lacking in equal treatment and fairness.

john kerry refers to himself as husband to Teresa first. but he has the freedom to do this becsuse nobody is going to question his commitment or fitness in whatever job he did.

there were people who were saying hillary should not run for president and instead be a grandmother after Chelsea had her first kid.



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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #41)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 09:52 PM

46. Liberals aren't the arbiters of PC

 

Because PC is right-wing spin designed to paint liberals as a monolithic group telling everyone how they're supposed to talk. You don't like it when a woman feels that being a wife is high on her list, but most people don't care, including liberals. This is War on Christmas type bullshit.
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Response to kcr (Reply #46)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 10:07 PM

48. Except that ummm .. yeah, it's really not. The vast majority of what the RW'ers say about us is BS

 

But the PC thing? That is pretty much exactly what we do ... tell people how they're supposed to talk.

I can't really imagine denying that point, as a liberal. I own it. We DO do that.

IMHO, most liberals wouldn't be a big fan of one of our candidates describing 'who she is' by starting out with 'well, first off, I'm a wife'.

Now, it might not be a 'big deal' to the majority of us, but it's still not particularly 'what we want to hear'. Deny it all you want, and say it's 'oh, that's just you Mr. L', but you won't convince me I'm wrong on this point, no offense

Did she overstate the point? Yes, a bit. Is she probably vote-pandering, hoping to wrangle in a few right-leaning indy types? Almost certainly. But it's not an invalid point.

Again, IMHO.
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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #48)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 10:09 PM

49. Speak for yourself

 

You seem to like telling women how to think about their priorities, so it's not surprising you think everyone else is together with you in this "we" business.
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Response to kcr (Reply #49)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 10:46 PM

50. Never said anything directing 'how women think about their priorities' ... that's nonsense.

 

Clearly you want to make this into some kind of M/F battle ... I'm not playing that.

Good day!

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #19)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 08:45 PM

28. Okay, the only thing, though, is that can be a broad insult

 

to many women; whereas, a smear about Hillary would fire up the never-Hillary crowd and they seem to still engage on that level. Iím thinking back to that whole milk and cookies episode with Hillary as First Lady. Itís kind of an unnecessary comment, so still curious about context.
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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #19)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 08:47 PM

29. War on Christmas: liberals think saying "Merry Christmas" is politically incorrect.

 

War on Wives: liberals think women identifying themselves as wives is politically incorrect.

I thought my comment was amusing, but as we all know now, I am not a deep thinker like you.
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Response to betsuni (Reply #29)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 08:49 PM

31. I may've misinterpreted ... it was extremely brief :)

 

When I think 'war on wives' I think 'war on women'.

Also, see my note about Amy Klobuchar (just as a random example) a few lines above ... what is your response to my question?
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Response to R B Garr (Reply #17)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 06:35 PM

64. I believe it's more of an inside attempt to make her off limits.

 

Sanders and his wife understand image. Her actions at Burlington college, while not illegal, was a clear display of incompetence. Sanders has also made an endorsement in the past and immediately after the endorser wine she was appointed to a commission by him. Then there is the fact she is their tax preparer. Then we have lucrative family deals she has been involved with that have left direct family members with serious paychecks.

Historically, people deep in campaigns are not off limits. Wives are. Jane is his wife but is also neck deep in all of it.
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Response to betsuni (Reply #16)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 08:22 PM

20. I answered RB :)

 

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #20)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 09:09 PM

36. This was the Hillary clip I was referencing re: milk and cookies, I guess

 

it was tea and cookies. I remember it was a huge deal at the time.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 06:05 PM

5. It is a CLEAR call out to the other side. they want the rumpers to vote for them

 

I could have told you all this, oh wait, i did.
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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 08:47 PM

30. Could be this! I thought it might be a swipe at Hillary

 

from that milk and cookies episode as First Lady.
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Response to R B Garr (Reply #30)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 05:26 PM

59. Jane never misses a chance to take a swipe at Hillary does she?

 

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 09:31 PM

40. It does seem that way. However, it's pretty harmless in my estimation ...

 

It's not she's saying 'well, MAYBE we do need to look at building a wall' or some shit.

It's a very cheap and ultimately meaningless 'gesture' to maybe pull in some Trumper votes.

And lets face it ... our side will need all the votes we can get.
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Response to betsuni (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 05:59 PM

60. Yes, but it was overshadowed by the Second Civil War n/t

 

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 06:09 PM

6. I can see why she might not want to self-identify as a college president.

 

Or an income tax preparer.

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Response to CrossingTheRubicon (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 06:25 PM

9. LOL

 

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Response to CrossingTheRubicon (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 07:46 PM

11. Ouch, lol.

 

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Response to CrossingTheRubicon (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 08:16 PM

18. LOL

 

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Response to CrossingTheRubicon (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 08:41 PM

25. Precisely!

 

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Response to CrossingTheRubicon (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 11:11 PM

52. ,,,

 

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Response to CrossingTheRubicon (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 04:52 AM

55. Very

 

well played!



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Response to CrossingTheRubicon (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 08:26 AM

70. Indeed. (nt)

 

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 06:24 PM

8. Good grief!

 


Seriously consider that as an insult to women of all statuses, married or other. So many women have stepped forward to try to save this nation and drag it back out of the min 1950s. This is the time to appeal to the denizens of Gilead? Tone deaf.

There is movement to work on the ERA again. Where does Jane stand, or Bernie, on women's rights and agency. We didn't come this far to be slapped back down by the "progressive" Sanders couple.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 07:07 PM

10. I wonder if she's got time to tackle releasing those taxes? Last time around, BS threw her

 

under the bus and said she was the one that did them and she was "busy" during the campaign.
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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 07:48 PM

12. Since when is being called a wife

 

or husband politically incorrect?


A completely ridiculous statement the motives behind which are suspicious.
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Response to forklift (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 07:52 PM

13. "the motives behind which are suspicious"

 

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Response to melman (Reply #13)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 08:06 PM

14. The people who detest political correctness

 

are more likely to be found in the conservative pool of voters.


We Democrats see it as correct phraseology to restore dignity and honor.
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Response to forklift (Reply #14)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 08:32 PM

22. Of course

 

You're not just looking for anything and everything to make into a big fake outrage. Of course!
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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 08:11 PM

15. this is as stupid as the war on christmas

 

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 08:35 PM

23. Actually, that sounds exactly like something a woman at CPAC would say

 

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 08:41 PM

24. In a way I don't blame her

 

She has been a very successful wife and Bernie is still lovingly with her. Identifying as a college president would have been a tad problematic.
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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 08:45 PM

27. uhhhhh ok?

 

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 08:51 PM

32. Shot at Tabitha King

 

No idea why.
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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #32)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 08:54 PM

34. That was my thought, since that was just a couple days ago.

 

Seems a little odd.
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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #32)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 09:22 PM

37. Don't know about Tabitha, but Stephen King was a Hillary supporter.

 

Maybe that's it.
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Response to betsuni (Reply #37)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 09:40 PM

42. What good purpose does it serve to take cheap-shot swipes at Mrs. King?

 

Don't know about Tabitha, but Stephen King was a Hillary supporter.
This appears to be a legitimate clue.
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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #42)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 09:55 PM

47. As we know, liberals/Democrats are the "opposition" so ...

 

Snark about Democrats = good. Snark about Republicans = bad.

I guess "wife" isn't establishment.
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Response to betsuni (Reply #37)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 07:07 PM

66. The Kings

 

donated a large sum to a genealogical society. The headlines in the USA today....

Stephen King and his wife donate $1.25M to New England Historic Genealogical Society


The wife got upset that, you know she has a name. When they did mention her name in the 2nd paragraph Steven and his wife Tabitha, instead of Steven and Tabitha King.
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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 08:53 PM

33. No, it's not politically correct to marginalize women.

 

Thanks for being honest.

What a strange comment.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 09:40 PM

43. And financial manipulator

 

Was "too busy" to release tax return in 2016, had some creative accounting with a college that she ran...
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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 09:43 PM

44. An odd comment that demonstrates she lacks understanding.

 

"Political correctness" is used to bash anyone who demands basic decency. Jane Sanders is being dismissive of that reality.

And if she's making a reference to what Tabitha King tweeted, she really, really missed the point.
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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 11:12 PM

53. Now the wives are insult slinging. Yikes. nt

 

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 01:35 AM

54. I'm just confused by the comment...

 

Is she suggesting many on the left take umbrage with women calling themselves wives ... because I don't think so?
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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #54)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 05:29 AM

56. Seems to me she knows as little about feminism as those attending CPAC

 

Feminism fights for equality, which means not only giving women the same rights, opportunities, and respect as men, but also against devaluing that which is seen as feminine and traditionally women's work. That means not only making it acceptable to have a woman President, but also up-valuing housework etc so that this incredible amount of labor isn't dismissed out of hand because it isn't paid. It's not equality if women can do "men's work". True equality won't be achieved until men can be homemakers without being disrespected, until boys can play house with dolls if they want to without fathers shrieking in fear, and what has been traditionally seen as feminine is valued as much as what has traditionally been seen as masculine.

Ms. Sanders reveals her ignorance with her comments, and she certainly shows she is not progressive.
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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 07:47 AM

57. The women's revolution was a good thing BUT ...

 

I suddenly remembered what this reminded me of!

Bernie, 2014:

"Now it is very unusual to find one person earning enough money to pay the bills. And the revolution ... the women's revolution, which was a good thing, many women want to be out in the workforce and that's great. But the reality is, it now takes two people incredibly long hours to earn enough income to pay the bills. Which raises other questions about child care and what happens to kids when they're not getting the attention they need."

That's a pretty big but. Please, spare me the 'splainin' about what Bernie really meant. Politicians talk for a living. Elizabeth Warren wrote a book about the two paycheck family, I'll listen to her.
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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 05:04 PM

58. Mrs Sanders also said this hours before the GE..

 


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Response to Cha (Reply #58)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 06:02 PM

61. Wow

 

She is a Buster.
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Response to Yosemito (Reply #61)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 07:14 PM

68. Oh yeah.

 

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Response to Cha (Reply #58)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 06:23 PM

62. Someone looking to get another bite at the apple, would make

 

a comment like that.
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Response to oasis (Reply #62)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 07:16 PM

69. No kidding. BS went on cnn

 

right AFTER the election and called My Democratic Party.. "the party of the elite".. and told how "humiliated" he was.

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Response to Cha (Reply #58)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 06:45 PM

65. This should NEVER be forgotten.

 

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Response to betsuni (Reply #65)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 07:11 PM

67. Yeah, maybe Mrs Sanders Should have "Thought Deeper"

 

Before she Tweeted Out her Election Day Whistle.

If BS "worked hard" for Hillary why didn't his "wife" help him out there?
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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 06:26 PM

63. One of the most privilege minded people you will come across.

 

ďLearning what I didnít know was hard. To see people suffering unnecessarily was just unfathomable.Ē Jane Sanders when aske what the most difficult part of the 2016 Presidential campaign was. People donít understand how sheltered they are. Sanders has been brilliant at promoting his image.
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