For Those Who Are Pissed That Biden Is Doing Well:

[MineralMan]

How's Trump working out for you? Remember that last election? Were you pissed off then about Hillary getting the nomination?

How about climbing aboard the Democratic train, whoever is sitting in the locomotive? That's my recommendation.

Here's the deal: If you can get Bernie or Elizabeth the nomination, I guarantee and promise I'll vote for that nominee. How about you make the same promise if Joe ends up with the nomination? What do you say?

[sprinkleeninow]

1. I have no qualms. I do not mind. 😊 n/t

[Cha]

92. ..

[sprinkleeninow]

97. Heh-heh....

💙🇺🇸💪🗽
🎆🎉🎊
You are a 💛.

[katmondoo]

2. I am happy he is doing well. I support Warren but I still love Biden

[DownriverDem]

35. Okay

I would love to see a Biden/Harris ticket. We have never had a women VP. Harris would then be positioned to be President.

[Kaleva]

3. Don't know why anyone would be pissed.

We have many excellent candidates. I'm supporting Senator Harris but if Biden wins the nomination, I'll support him in the general to the best of my abilities.

[MineralMan]

5. There are a few who are pissed about Joe Biden.

Some of them post here.

[Kaleva]

6. Probably not surprising given the results of the poll I posted.

Most everyone who responded want to engage in "constructive criticism" of candidates.

[emulatorloo]

37. In other words, cherry pick quotes, word parse, and present stuff out of context

as well as spread unsubstantiated rumor and 1/2 truths from twitter.

All to “destroy” one or another Democratic candidate.

My energy now is to destroy Trump.

And lift up our great Dem candidates who want to lift up the 99% and restore the faith of our allies.

[PatrickforO]

54. No, there really is some constructive criticism that can be advanced on any of the candidates.

That criticism, in my case, will be advanced based on a) past performance and/or b) current statements/actions.

We don't need to nitpick here, but all of our candidates have flaws and the primary season is a good way of exposing these flaws so they can get beyond them in the general. AND, so we don't have any October surprises, like we did with the traitor Comey.

[True Dough]

104. Precisely!

Great post, Patrick!

[emulatorloo]

130. All the primary candidates believe in the same policies. Anyone of them would put this country

right for the 99% and get our allies back by our side.

I don't want to see Trump getting re-elected because good Democrats are too busy tearing down our candidates.

Have a great night, Patrick.

[True Blue American]

135. Thank you!

[DownriverDem]

40. They don't know

who the voters are. We are not a far left country. We are Center/Left. The Dems have to win fly over states too. There has always been far left voters, but somehow they think the majority of the country thinks like them. You have to bring the country along. Until we win the White House, Senate and House, far left issues won't see the light of day. So they should work with us to win and then work on their issues. It makes no sense to work against those who can help you get your issues heard.

[USALiberal]

56. Did they say they wouldn't vote for him??? nt

[MineralMan]

59. I didn't claim that.

[Rhiannon12866]

121. I'm certainly not pissed either! I'm for anyone who can mop the floor with Trump!

If it's Joe Biden or if it's one of the candidates that I don't know much about yet, they've got my vote! I'm happy to hear that he's doing so well!

[samnsara]

4. i will vote for the dem nom....who(m)ever that will be..

[EndGOPPropaganda]

26. Exactly. It hasn't been decided yet! So stay positive about all

Rule #1: don't denigrate any Democrats.
Rule #2: push your own candidate. Say positive things about them.
Rule #3: whichever candidate wins the primary, be enthusiastic about them in the general. Canvass for them. Vote for them.

[DownriverDem]

50. Yes but

I don't take kindly to folks attacking the front runner. My goal is to have a candidate that won't take trump's crap and can win. I would love to see a Biden/Harris ticket. We have never had a woman VP before and she would be positioned to be president. Americans are way behind when it comes to voting for women leaders.

[EndGOPPropaganda]

140. They can all win.

There was a landslide in 2018 for the Dems. Don’t buy into the electability line too much. Any of these Dem candidates can win.

[Ohiogal]

7. I support Elizabeth Warren as my #1

But it goes without saying I will vote for whoever wins the Dem nomination.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

47. Could EASILY see switching to Elizabeth should Bernie falter... she's frickin' awesome!!

Indeed, would love to watch Elizabeth dismantle Dolt45 piece by piece on the campaign trail and in the debates... she would DESTROY that POS!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[BannonsLiver]

69. You should probably start making those plans.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

74. Nope, there's plenty of time... willing to let the primary play itself out.

But, thanks for your advice!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[brewens]

8. I won't be deciding any time soon. I have a good story about early bandwagon jumping.

A guy I went to school with was running as a republican to be our state house rep. In this case he was all about trump until the first primary debate, then he unloads a rant on FB slamming him. He said he must have been crazy to even consider handing him the keys to the nuclear arsenal, and much more. Then he jumps on the Fiorina bandwagon.

Of course when Trump gets the nomination, he's back to being a full-on Trumper, but I remembered that post. So I spent at least a half-hour scrolling back on his timeline to find that Trump bash. Then I commented on it and shared it. I praised him to high heaven for calling it, even said he was "prophetic"!

I waited until late at night too, hoping he'd be in bed and might not see it right away in the morning. I was wondering if one of his buddies might and even call him and wake his ass up over it! When I looked, I was unfriended and that was deleted! I sent him back a message telling him he should hire me as an adviser, because I would have told him to not take sides in the first place. Sure, after Trump had the nomination, but even then, don't go overboard. He didn't appreciate the offer. He was pissed because even though he saw the humor in it, in an election like that, just a few votes could have cost him.

[EndGOPPropaganda]

27. He's a Republican. That means he's a traitor today.

[DownriverDem]

68. I don't consider my support

of Joe Biden as bandwagon jumping. I wanted him to run and when he did it made me happy.

[pnwmom]

9. I'm only pissed at the constant drumbeat from his supporters, starting as soon as he announced,

that he is the inevitable choice of the Dems and the only person who can beat Trump.

I didn't like it either when Bernie supporters tried the same approach.

Sure, I'll vote for the D whoever it is. How about you promise that you'll stop trying to shove Biden down everyone's throat? At least till we've had some debates and primaries?

[MineralMan]

14. I haven't tried to shove Joe Biden down anyone's throat.

He's going to have to earn the nomination, just like anyone else. I like him, and think he would probably win, walking away, but he's going to have to get the voted needed to win the nomination, just like whoever ends up as the nominee will have to do.

Right now, he's my choice. Show me how your choice can win the nomination and then the election, and I might just switch, if that candidate makes sense. But don't tell me that Joe would be a bad nominee. That's nonsense. Tell me why someone else would be better. I'll listen to your reasons. I can't guarantee I'll agree with you or that I won't point out reasons why not to choose that person, but I'll listen.

I hope you'll do the same.

[pnwmom]

42. I didn't say you did. I was responding to your claim that someDemocrats are pissed

about Biden's success, and I'm disagreeing with that. I think most are just pissed at the often-expressed idea that Biden is the only and inevitable choice.

I've watched Biden enter two previous Presidential primaries, so I'm not one who thinks his win is inevitable. Polls at this point are based on name recognition, but voters will get to know the other candidates better once the debates and primaries begin.

I have several candidates that I like a lot, and I'm waiting to see how they do in debates and primaries.

[Boomer]

76. Thank you!

Exactly this. I'm pissed that some people are touting Biden as the only viable candidate for 2020 at this early stage, when we having even had a public debate yet. It's too early to call a winner.

I also get annoyed that valid criticism of candidates are labeled as attacks and denigration. Unrelentingly happy happy is idolatry, not party loyalty.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

85. Exactly right... Joe's loss of those two previous Presidential primaries tells me he most certainly

is NOT inevitable. IMHO, like in his last two primary losses, the vetting process will come into play and get the best of him. But, maybe not... let's just wait and see. If voters in this primary election choose Joe to be our candidate, so be it!! I'll be cheerin' him on, as you will too no doubt.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[George II]

89. Except that Biden never lost a single primary, right?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

93. Except that I was responding to pnwmom's CORRECT statement about Biden's entry in two previous

Presidential primaries, which, indeed, he lost, BOTH times... unless I somehow missed Joe's nomination for President in 1988 and 2008 in those two previous Presidential primary elections. Perhaps, in an alternative Universe... but, not this one!!

So, in answer to your question... no, you're wrong.

I simply agreed with pnwmom's assessment that because of Joe's poor showing in those two previous Presidential primaries, he certainly can't be viewed as inevitable in this, his third primary election run.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[George II]

94. Which states did he lose - New Hampshire? New York? California? Texas? None!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

95. Joe did so poorly in the two previous Presidential primaries that pnwmom correctly referenced...

that Joe quickly gave up and never made it to New Hampshire, New York, California, or Texas... not in the 1988 Democratic primary election, which Dukakis won, or the one Obama won in 2008.

But, you already knew that.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[George II]

96. Once again, he didn't lose a single primary. Not one. And yes, I already knew that, as did you.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

98. Thought maybe we could have a serious conversation... guess not.

No worries though... enjoy your evening and the rest of your weekend.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[George II]

100. I did too, but as you like to say, "you can admit you're wrong, nothing bad about that." .....

You can find the truth in many places on google or elsewhere. Joe Biden has never lost a single primary, ever. Perhaps you should look into it sometime, or maybe re-examine your idea of what a primary is?

When (if) you do, let us know which specific primary he lost. As I asked earlier, was it:

New Hampshire?
New York?
California?
Texas?
Any?

Nope, none!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

109. LOL! I answered your question.Joe lost the '88 Democratic primary to Dukakis & the 1 in '08 to Obama

You do know that the word primary can be used to describe the preliminary election process for nominating a party's winning candidate to run in a general election against another party's winning candidate?!

That's exactly the context in which pnwmom correctly used the term "primary" in the post to which I responded... here's the quote from pnwmom in case you missed it: "I've watched Biden enter two previous Presidential primaries, so I'm not one who thinks his win is inevitable."

Indeed, that's right... Joe DID enter two previous Presidential primaries - as noted, in 1988 and 2008 - and lost (badly) both times. The fact that Joe didn't last long enough to contest any of the states you mention in those two Presidential primary elections is irrelevant to the point I was making in response to pnwmom's post.

If, however, you'd like to respond on the merits of what I was saying in response to pnwmom, rather than playing silly word games, I'd be pleased to engaged in a serious conversation.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[George II]

110. No he didn't, neither in 1988 nor in 2008. I know you'd LIKE him to have lost a primary....

Yes, play word games if you want, but he hasn't lost a single primary in his life. Ever. None. Zero. Bupkas. Nada. никто. Ningun. Żaden.

In fact, Joe Biden never lost a single election, primary or general, in his entire life.

Try again.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

111. Yeah, didn't think so.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Nuggets]

101. I've seen the same kind of comments

from Sanders supporters over and over again.

Yet I’ve never seen any Sanders supporter object to the view.
I wonder why?

[Andy823]

87. I totally agree with you

Nobody is a sure bet right now, we have long way to go before the first caucus, and primaries. Right now I like Harris, and Inslee, but no matter what I WILL vote for the nominee.

A lot of things will change when the debates start, and people have the right to disagree with whoever is the front runner at any time, as well as other candidates you might not agree with. Thats what democracy is all about. We can disagree without going with the "scorched earth" tactics that were used in 2016 here on DU.

Sadly it seems that "negative threads" get more traction around here than positive Threads. I do wish that would change.

[pnwmom]

123. Harris and Inslee are among the candidates I like a lot.

I wish people could stop trying to end the discussion before we have even had a single debate. I don't care where anyone stands in the polls right now -- the first debates and primaries will allow us to see things much more clearly.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

21. You are right. We all need to just sit back and let

It unfold and try not to badmouth anyone.

Inevitability may not be what we are thinking and talking about though. Think anyone who has the most experience, has been in WH, is well known, and is ahead in polls captures that term automatically. Think HCR too. Like a natural phenomenon??? I remember it was almost like HCRs fault/bad thing. How do you stop that? It's not like she was touting that.

[leftofcool]

62. I agree

Bernie Underground meet Biden Underground. There is nothing that can turn me off of a candidate faster than having one shoved down my throat day in and day out. Biden is not inevitable nor is he the only Democrat who can beat Trump.

[vsrazdem]

88. Yes, it was like finaly our Savior is here and we can all relax now and just accept it.

[Cha]

114. Oh Bullfeathers. I saw Biden supporters

and others actually happy that Biden is polling so well against trump. We absolutely want to beat trump.. that's our goal.

And, I'm glad Biden is polling well against BS, too.

[TwilightZone]

90. Most of the people I've seen pushing the "inevitable" meme...

about Biden aren't Biden supporters.

It's quite reminiscent of the similar meme that was pushed heavily by opponents of Hillary in the 2016 cycle. Perhaps it's some of the same people.

[Cha]

117. Exactly, TwilightZone.. here's a perfect

example..

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287111824

[Cha]

99. Oh right.. it's us Biden Supporters you're

"pissed at..".. and not that Biden is doing so well.

I don't think Biden is "inevitable" but I care very much that he's polling well against trump.

And, I don't think it's fair for those who try to bring him down by posting things like this..

"A teacher friend of mine is upset with Biden for "crossing a picket line" to attend this fundraiser."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=114022

It wasn't a "picket line" and you know it.

[George II]

112. Bazinga!

[Cha]

113. ..

[LibFarmer]

118. You're pissed that he is doing well

and his supporters are happy.

Admit it.

[pnwmom]

131. Nope. I don't think the polls this early on, before debates or primaries,

mean much of anything.

His supporters want to convince everybody else it's all over, and he's won, when it has barely even begun.

[True Blue American]

129. No one

Is shoving Joe down your throat.

Joe is simply being the man he has been all his life. Loving, caring, understanding the working people because he came from that background and understands the fear of losing a job, not being able to provide for your family.

Suffering deep losses of his own he knows how people feel and they are responding.

Trump is scared to death of this caring, well educated man.

[pnwmom]

132. I'm not saying Biden is doing this. I'm saying some of his supporters

are trying to promote the idea that he has an insurmountable lead because of some opinion polls.

At this point, he and Bernie are at the top because of name recognition. Until voters start to watch the debates and vote in the primaries, we don't know who is going to rise to the top.

At this point in 2015, Jeb Bush looked like a shoe-in. That, again, was based on his poll ratings, which were high because of name-recognition.

[True Blue American]

133. Then you could say

The same about other supporters.

Right now I have made no choice, but have to admit the old, experienced man seems to have made the best impression.

For me, I think we need to back everyone and stick together.

[pnwmom]

136. I felt the same way when Bernie supporters were pushing the idea that he was inevitable.

They've been doing that less these days, since Biden entered the race.

But I think it's ridiculously early to say anyone's got a near-lock on the nomination.

[True Blue American]

137. I agree

With you. Right now Joe is just such a refreshing change from what we have listened to the last 3 years. Trump sounds childish calling Biden silly, little names. I hope he keeps it up.

Much like Nancy and Chuck they just laugh at Trump. That hurts him.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

10. Whomever gets the nomination, I will gladly vote for and support.

[Indygram]

11. I don't think anyone is "pissed" that he's doing well

If anything I think a lot of people are frustrated that so many people are latching onto him as if he's the second coming of Jesus here to deliver us all from Trump. There are many people are only supporting him because they think he's a sure thing when otherwise they would not even entertain supporting him. It's cool to support him IF he is the nominee...but ignoring so many awesome candidates to do so is foolish. There are many candidates who can beat Trump and it's sad to see what appears to be so many settling for less than what they really want.

I don't dislike Biden. I love his memes with Obama and will vote for him if he's the nominee, but I won't likely do more than that. To me, he represents a vote against Trump but not a vote FOR anything.

[dalton99a]

13. +1. I think most candidates running are perfectly capable of handling Donald Trump

[pnwmom]

46. +1. n/t

[DownriverDem]

71. No latching on

Folks want normalcy. Biden represents that. They want someone who can beat trump. Folks feel Biden can beat trump. I don't get your comment about who we the people support. Could I say the same thing about everyone else?

[Indygram]

105. I don't want "normalcy," I want something exceptional

I am not yet convinced that Biden can beat Trump. Obama could have beaten Trump. When standing on his own, Biden did not perform well during other primaries when running for president. The only way to determine who is best to beat Trump is to actually get to know all of those running first...not calling it by default before the first quarter of the game even starts. It's just premature.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

115. Could not agree with you more!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Indygram]

128. Well, that's one thing

Although we completely disagree on who best delivers exceptional! lol

[True Blue American]

134. I do not think

Anyone considers Joe as the Second Coming. I do think i is truly refreshing to listen to a man who is full of compassion, has a great sense of humor that is not mean.

We have listened to the mean,hateful, nasty rhetoric that passes for humor for 3 years now. We are really sick of the narcissistic, megalomaniac that never has a good word for anyone unless they kiss his ring. All know that can end if they say the least thing. It is pitiful to watch those we elect to high office becoming scared pant-less hypocrites, but that is what they have become. Their testicles have shrunk so bad I doubt if they could find them. Scared to death of the mob now running things.

[peggysue2]

12. For any Democrat worth his/her salt or any . . .

American who wants the Republic to survive intact, this should be a no-brainer: Democratic victory 2020.

We're not only voting for a candidate/nominee this time out, we're voting to save the country and our Western Alliance. There's no hyperbole involved with that statement. The evidence is all around us--norms shattering, the Rule of Law dismissed, our allies rebuffed while Trump cozies up to dictators, etc.

We either vote for the country and for our Democratic nominee, whoever that turns out to be. Or we watch the country go up in flames.

As I said, it should be a no-brainer.

Currently, Joe Biden is the clear leader in the polls and I support his candidacy. But campaigns being as unpredictable as they are? Things could change. I will absolutely vote for the Democratic nominee in 2020. No excuses, no exceptions.

[MineralMan]

17. I keep thinking back to the last presidential election, though.

We should have won that one, but we didn't. We should have. I don't want to see anything like that happen again. It doesn't have to, you know. We screwed up badly and everyone is paying for that. It's going to take four years just to fix what Donald Trump broke, and then we can start moving again in the right direction.

We messed our pants in 2016. The smell still lingers in the air.

[peggysue2]

23. That smell is going to linger for a long time, MM

We can only hope voters who stepped out, voted for Trump or a 3rd party realize the damage exacted. The country can't take another 4 years of chaos and misdirection. If we value our future and that of our kids, we'll be racing to the polls to pull the levers for Democratic candidates everywhere.

Anything less is suicidal.

[Turin_C3PO]

15. I pledge to support the Democratic 2020 nominee.

Whether it’s Biden or Bernie or a turnip, Trump has to go!

[tiredtoo]

16. For the record

I intend tp vote for the Democratic nominee.

[Raven123]

18. Here's a deal I would prefer:

Let’s get a few primaries behind us before we discuss “doing well” among the candidates. All discussions re: polls just don’t mean much IMO. Wasted energy.

I too will vote for the Democratic Party candidate in the general election.

[INdemo]

19. Could a lot of this Biden bashing be coming from Russian trolls?

I think so...

the June debates will seperate the seekers from the hopefuls

[DallasNE]

57. This Is Where I Am At Too

Now doesn't matter. Let's see who is on the big stage in June, listen to what they have to say and then start to evaluate them.

The next President will have a very full plate. To me that means someone high energy and thus under 65 when they take office. Yes, that takes out Biden, Sanders and even Warren barely. That still leaves a lot of talent. Indeed, is the field even complete? To be sure, I will vote in November for the Democratic candidate.

[Mc Mike]

20. I'd be proud to vote for and support Joe.

[groundloop]

22. IMO Biden is doing well right now simply because of name recognition.

I believe it's really too early to start making predictions. One or more candidates will make gaffes which will cost them, possibly one or two will have a 'knock it out of the park' moment which will grab peoples attention. There's a huge chance the race will be different by the time voting starts than it is now.

I like Joe a lot, as a person. He's not my first, or even second, choice for the nomination. HOWEVER, if Joe gets the nomination he will inherit my unyielding support for the general election, just as Hillary did in 2016. WE CANNOT LEAVE tRUMP IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

[TreasonousBastard]

24. Who's pissed? I'm disappointed, but not pissed. My only problem with Biden is...

that he is our past when we should be looking to the future.

But, he is certainly Presidential material.

And he is more certainly not Trump.

[madamesilverspurs]

25. Concur.

[pdsimdars]

28. I haven't seen that Are people really pissed that he's doing well? That's new

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

38. No one I've seen. I'm glad Joe's doin well tho I prefer Bernie...wanted Joe and others in the race

even though some of their views differ greatly with Bernie's. That diversity of views, as will be articulated in the upcoming debates, will give voters in this Democratic primary race many options and, presumably, out of those options, the BEST candidate will emerge. If that's Joe Biden, so be it!!

I'm fairly sure, however, it'll be Bernie, or maybe Elizabeth, who comes out on top - I obviously think they would make a great ticket... in EITHER order - but, regardless, we ABSOLUTELY MUST support the eventual winner of the primary with every fiber of our being to defeat that POS who currently occupies the White House!!

This country will not survive another 4 years of tyranny... and just imagine the mess the Traitor-in-Chief would make of the Supreme Court for DECADES if he prevails and we lose another Justice who's on our side.

I don't want to even consider the possibility... the loss in 2016 to that fuckin' maniac still hurts beyond belief!! WE HAVE TO WIN AT ALL COSTS!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

29. May the best candidate win!! Then, like I always say, vote blue, no matter who!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

30. I'm pleased that he's doing well. I'd be happy if (almost) any of the others were doing well,

as some of them are. I think the sooner the ridiculously large field is winnowed down to a reasonable number - maybe about five - the better, because time and money won't be wasted on lost causes and vanity candidates. The party and the voters can start organizing behind a few solid candidates; there can be meaningful debates among a few, not beauty pageants for dozens who shouldn't have been there in the first place. So I hope Joe and a handful of others collect solid long-term support so we can start getting serious about booting Trump's ugly orange ass out of the WH and begin fixing all the things he broke.

[sprinkleeninow]

34. I concur with what you said here. 👍

[Different Drummer]

31. I am currently supporting Pete Buttigieg as my top choice, but...

I will gladly vote for whichever candidate ends getting the nomination.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

41. Glad to see Mayor Pete's doing well. And yes, vote for the eventual nominee, theres no other choice!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Different Drummer]

80. Agreed. It's the only way we can depose Trump. n/t

[Grasswire2]

32. according to the polling per MSNBC, it isn't just that Biden is ahead..

..it's also that Dems show an URGENT fervor for him to beat Trump. That's the driving force for a majority of Dems.

Must beat Trump.

[MineralMan]

33. That's a good sign, I think.

I agree with that sentiment. Whatever else we do, getting rid of Trump is absolutely Job 1.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

45. Job 1... abso-fuckin-lutely!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[LibFarmer]

119. ...

[NYMinute]

120. I think Bernie should drop out

before the cheerleaders get tired....

[CousinIT]

36. I'll vote for the Dem nominee - whoever it is. Including Bulldog Joe.

Would love to see ol Joe taking a few chunks outta The Devil's fat ass, spit 'em out, then take a couple more and spit them out too. Heh.

[Peacetrain]

39. I am happy with Joe Biden...

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

43. Haha, I'll bet you are!! Congrats on Joe's fine showing in the polls so far...

and his obviously sucessful rollout. Good luck to your candidate going forward and may the best one win!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[robbedvoter]

44. So, are you saying it's 🍊 or Biden? Primaries canceled then?

Used to be Burnie Bros demanding submission. Now it's you guys. Won't get you many friends.

[LiberalLovinLug]

48. Pissed is the wrong word

I do find it odd you use Hillary as an example. Are you asking if some were pissed BEFORE or AFTER the election?
I think most of the anger was first directed at Comey, then the MSM news shows, then Putin and GOP trolling and voter suppression. But after that?...perhaps there was a shaking of the head by some Sanders supporters that, like everyone else, thought Hillary would win. And hung onto that fact as the saving grace of their perfered candidate not winning. And that she didn't (technically) was exasperating.

If Sanders had actually won the nomination, (just imagine) as a Hillary supporter, would you describe your feelings as "pissed"? Dissapointed maybe. Concerned perhaps. (Especially if that loss came along with leaks how the DNC was working for him, and had plans to sabotage Hillary's chances if she got close).

I think its only natural that Sanders supporters were not happy. Those that could not rectify their feelings left the site. The ex-Sanders supporters that have remained, like myself, have learned to live with all that plus the ongoing nasty comments about someone you respect enough to support them for President. Add to that the belief that, going by the polls, we believed that Sanders would have beaten Trump, and thus saved us all of this nightmare, plus things like the SCOTUS. How would you feel if that happened to your preferred candidate?

But if you are asking are the DUers here that support more progressive candidates 'concerned' that we may nominate a candidate that is cut in almost the same cloth as the Clintons? Sharing not only a close friendship, but much of their third way, more conservative status quo approach? And thus might be brought down by not only a surge of Trump voters egged on by freshly invented "scandals", linking him to "corrupt Hillary", but also by lack of support from the left by a perceived disenfranchisement of a younger, and more progressive base, that once again would feel left out? (whether warranted or not)? Perhaps. But only because those people's ultimate desire is to have Democrats win, and win the most they can. And they have a different opinion on who would accomplish that goal.

[BlueJac]

49. Let this just play out...

It is way to early in the process to get to high on anyone. There is going to be a lot more explaining to do. I want a good vision for our country! Vote our parties candidate!!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

78. That's sound advice... we've got plenty of time.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[thesquanderer]

51. Looks like a straw man to me.

Sure, there are people who prefer the nomination not go to Biden, but I have not seen people saying that, if he's the candidate we put up against Trump, they won't vote for him.

[MineralMan]

61. I didn't claim that.

[thesquanderer]

65. No need to ask everyone to promise to vote for Joe if he's the nominee...

...if no one is suggesting they would do otherwise.

[PatrickforO]

52. I'm with you.

Right now supporting Pete, but I very much like several of the candidates.

And, come the general, I can get behind ANY of them.

[USALiberal]

53. Fake outrage! What poster said they would not vote for the nominee???? nt

[elocs]

55. I can see Trump getting reelected and 2016 as the Left falls into factions.

The Bernie or Busters are already out in force vowing not to vote for Biden because he is nothing better than a Republican to them. How they love to disparage and put-down conservative and moderate Democrats as being DINOs or Republican Lite but expect them to vote for their candidate.
They'll do it again next time was well, the fools.

Oh yeah, who is Jay Inslee?

[progressoid]

58. For those who are pissed that Bernie is doing well:

For those who are pissed that Elizbeth is doing well:

For those who are pissed that Pete is doing well:

For those who are pissed that XYZ is doing well:

Why limit it to Biden?

[MineralMan]

60. But they aren't.

Not in comparison.

[progressoid]

63. You're basing this on some solid facts?

[MineralMan]

64. Current polls.

[progressoid]

66. Current polls are saying that people are pissed that Biden is doing well?

[LanternWaste]

163. It can be tough to both maintain...

It can be tough to both maintain a narrative while simultaneously inferring the meaning of an OP accurately.

[Martin Eden]

67. dumb questions, Mineral Man

How's Trump working out for you? Remember that last election? Were you pissed off then about Hillary getting the nomination?

The first two questions are so obvious as to be not worth asking.

The third question doesn't work as a recommendation for an older establishment Democrat.

The overall tone of your post is divisive.

Anyone on this board who won't vote for the D nominee doesn't belong on this board. If your intended target is rightwing trolls, I'm not sure what you hoped to accomplish.

For the record, I like Joe Biden but he won't get my support in the primaries because in October 2002 he voted to give GW Bush authority to invade Iraq (same reason I wouldn't support Kerry or HRC) and also because he would be 82 years old at the end of his first term.

Also for the record:

The horse race at this stage holds no interest for me whatsoever.
It's way too early.
Let's focus on the issues and see who emerges as someone who can both defeat Trump and lead our party into the future.

[BannonsLiver]

72. It holds enough interest for you to turn up and comment on it.

[Martin Eden]

79. The "It" that prompted my comment was not not the horse race

I've come to expect better from MM, even when I disagree with him.

Most others, I wouldn't have bothered to comment.

[johannsyah]

70. Someone got triggered by this post

not me, of course I'll support any Dems nominee.

[wsbradshaw]

73. Russia Again

I'm wondering if this whole post was written for or by Russia. What purpose does it serve?

[kooth]

75. Of course!

I make that guarantee and promise!

[sellitman]

77. You should not be posting here if you won't support ANY DEMOCRAT who emerges from the pack.

That is a no brainer.

[kozar]

81. I finally am back on my computer

after being gone for a number of weeks taking care of Mrs. Koz's Dad death and his estate,, I got to change now my Dem preference from undecided to Joe..I made a post before I left of our best bet IMO, for the USA. It would be ,and still is,, Biden/Harris, for reasons I stated before.



Koz

[Skya Rhen]

84. My condolences - welcome back!

[lambchopp59]

82. Pissed, no. Disregard angry DU'ers.

Much like the majority of responses here, I'll vote for the Dem who gets nominated to stop Trump and/or most any other rethuglican. Don't misconstrue criticism of one candidate for anger: here's my trouble with Biden as a candidate: His name recognition has some of the potential undecided's turned off, via media bashings (unfair all, but...) he's received in the past.
Having heard the following candidate in a few online speeches now, and his sorely needed ability to snap back a quick, highly effective retort to a jibe: I'm hoping the candidacy goes to:

[TCJ70]

83. I still don't get his appeal. But if that's who I have to vote for...

...in the general then I will.

[crazytown]

86. I had to ignore someone who would jump on any thread

discussing Pete, Beto, Kamala or Liz to inform me that they would lose the GE. I was particularly offended by his or or her pronouncements that any woman was certain to lose.

I don’t see how ‘Back Joe or get Trump’ advances the conversation.

[TwilightZone]

91. It's still very early.

Anything can happen in politics.

I'm also not sure that being "pissed that Biden is doing well" necessarily equates to actions that resulted in Trump winning in 2016. I'm sure there's some crossover between the anti-Hillary and anti-Biden contingents, but I doubt it's all-inclusive.

And, in fairness, plenty of anti-Hillary people voted for her in the general, if not as many as we would have preferred.

[mntleo2]

102. I admit ...

...if I dare, that I am going for Bernie as a delegate.

But those in my state WISELY decided that as it is SUPPOSED to be, and up until recently this was the way it was done, there will be no putting down allowed as it is perfectly legal to go for whomever you want. NOBODY is allowed to put down another Democrat for their primary choices. Anyone who does that or insists it is going to be their way or the highway is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. Anyone who does this is to blame for the whole disharmony that is within this party. PERIOD


We will vote without any prejudice for whomever is nominated. It is OK to disagree (kindly), speak about what you like about your primary choice, and to support their platforms. But in the end we all stand together for our nominated candidate.

BTW this is the way I did it last time, after she was nominated, voted for HRC as Bernie said we should do ~ and yes I was a Bernie delegate. I am *not* going to answer or respond to anyone who is rude, demeaning or downright mean about my choice. If anyone behaves like that they they should be told it is because of them that they are creating a disturbance in our party and to just STHU.

I have voted a straight Dem ticket for all my adult life. I have some serious issues with him, but I am glad Biden has jumped in, if nominated I will vote for him. His dying son wanted him, to run and by golly it is time for all of us to listen to that. You can count on me to cast my ballot for him if he wins the nomination.

Cat in Seattle

[Indykatie]

103. I'm a Declared Biden Supporter and I haven't Sensed A Large Folks Being Pissed

about him doing so well here on DU. I see much more hand wringing on my twitter feed where some folks refuse to believe he is doing so well while our female candidates are mired in single digits. Others think the Polls are wrong. Quite a few think we MUST have a female candidate to excite the "base". It's not breaking news that folks who actively discuss politics on twitter are not representative of the 83% of the voters who don't use twitter. That would explain the disconnect.

[mucifer]

106. very condescending post IMO pretty hostile, too.

[at140]

107. I am not pissed regardless of who is doing well

But hope Warren does well because she is the best candidate based on DC experience, energy, eloquent speaking ability, resolve, courage, likability, and even looks cuz she looks younger than her age.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

116. That's how I feel... REALLY rooting for Elizabeth to rise in the polls. She's SO damn competent...

and just all round AWESOME!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[mvd]

124. Like you, I still feel Bernie is the most inspiring, but I am a fan of Elizabeth

I'd like her to rise up so we hear more from our most progressive candidates.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

125. Yes, and I think Bernie & Elizabeth working in "progressive tandem" could bring a lot of voters

to their collective side. I know a lot of Biden supporters think he's inevitable, and are already "measuring the drapes," even though the Democratic primary race has barely started. But, obviously, there's a long way to go and I'm confident, in the end, it'll be Bernie or Elizabeth, and, hopefully, with both of them on the same ticket... either order would be fine with me too!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[seta1950]

108. Any democrat

We have to vote for any democrat no squabbling. Please everyone 🙂

[mvd]

122. He's not my first choice but for sure voting for him in the GE

Four more years of Trump would cripple America. It is already wounded a lot.

[saljr1]

126. I will vote for the Democratic nominee but Biden is not my first choice

he is my fifth choice. Warren is my first, Harris is second, Beto is third, Amy fourth and then Joe. Joe in my mind has a lot of baggage being in politics for 40 years and his track record the last two times he ran were not good. He is a great guy of strong character and he is been thru so much heartache in his life. I can never imagine losing two sons and a wife and be as strong as he is.

[FakeNoose]

145. Your choices are all good

I would be happy to vote for any of them! I have pledged to support whichever candidate our Party nominates, but my first choice is Joe Biden. If Joe doesn't win the nomination, I'm still voting for the Democrat who does win the nomination.

The only thing I hesitate to say is, Bernie Sanders is NOT a Democrat, and I sincerely hope that our Party doesn't choose him. I admit that I'm still holding a grudge over how Bernie and his supporters handled themselves in 2016.

[ananda]

127. Ditto

“. “

[Laelth]

138. Stirring the pot. n/t

-Laelth

[Tipperary]

139. I am glad he is doing well.

I like him, Buttigieg, and Warren the best. There is really only one candidate I cannot stand.

Someone around here certainly does seem to be hating on Biden a bit. Strange.

[Stellar]

141. I have no objections with Biden except that's all he is offering.

And you seem to believe that's the only thing that Democrats want is someone that claims he can best Trump. Democrats need more than a Corporate opportunist and that seems to be all that he has to offer. Forget Medicare for all etc?

He will need more than his bluff, he will need other insentives if he want people to come out to the polls to vote for him. He will need to stop hanging on to Obama's coattails looking for his assists.

I personally believe Democrats will come out for any of these 20 people to get Trump out of office not just because Corporate media believes Biden is the man to do it.

[MineralMan]

143. Perhaps you should listen to him a little more closely.

[MrModerate]

142. "The only way on god(s)' green earth that I'll vote for X is . . ."

If they're the Democratic nominee.

See? That wasn't hard.

[aikoaiko]

144. Not liking that Biden is in the lead and not voting for the Democratic in the GE are different

Completely different things.

Sure, I'll vote for the Democratic candidate in the GE, but I support everyone discussing, supporting, and criticizing the candidates until then.

How about you? What do you say?

[FakeNoose]

146. If somebody isn't going to vote for the Dem nominee

... why would that person even be posting on DU? We're all Democrats here, or at least we're all liberal/progressive thinkers who will certainly vote for the Democratic candidates.

I get your point, that some (few) Repukes will try to mess up the Democratic primary by voting down the candidate they fear the most. In this case it's probably Joe Biden. But that would be rat-fucking to a small degree, and it's not what we're discussing on this thread.

[Gothmog]

147. We have to defeat trump in 2020

[MineralMan]

148. Indeed we do, and we are all responsible for helping make that happen.

Regardless of who the Democratic nominee might be.

[Pluvious]

149. ANY FUNCTIONING ADULT 2020

I never thought we could get a more lame and evil "leader" than shrub.

The concept that our Country could "elect" a serial groper was preposterous, I didn't even accept the possibility.

We can't fuck around now.

[jimlup]

150. no brainer there

but I honestly think folks are somewhat naive about backing the mainstream horse just because it is the mainstream horse. How'd that workout in 2016?

Just noticing...

[MineralMan]

151. I don't vote for horses in elections.

I back the candidate who earns the Democratic nomination via the primaries. Always. Why? Because that candidate got the most votes and earned the nomination. Winning general elections also requires getting the most votes, both in each state and in the Electoral College. I want a winner running in the general election, so I support our party's nominee every time.

Not everyone agrees with that, I guess.

[jimlup]

152. Don't make assumptions

We will play fair but it doesn't mean we are going to jump on to the mainstream bandwagon and cheer just yet. Don't assume you know what I am saying because you demonstrate by your response that you don't.

[MineralMan]

153. I assume nothing about any DUer. Generally, they

reveal themselves thoroughly over time.

[jimlup]

155. You should already know me in that way

but if you think I am somehow seeking a non-democratic solution you are absolutely wrong. What I seek is real and sustainable democracy. Perhaps we have differences in how that might happen. If so, I suggest we agree to disagree. I'm willing.

[MineralMan]

156. Not really. I don't recognize your screen name, to tell the truth.

I have no idea where you stand on anything, because of that.

I just did a search using both of our screen names. We have been in very few of the same threads, and you have not been posting much recently. So, I'm not familiar with your thinking at all.

[jimlup]

157. Whatever

my position is that the fixation on the mainstream solution is dangerous and is ultimately what lead to Trump's election in 2016.

I support Bernie Sanders because he is the candidate who most represents my views. I will accept and vote for Biden and not as a "lessor evil" I proudly supported Hillary in 2016 after Bernie endorsed her. I think that, though she was mainstream, she was still far and above many.

I hope we can proceed as I have often commented and posted approvals of your threads just don't expect me to tow the mainstream "Biden is necessary to defeat Trump." Especially right now.

And while it can never be tested and many questions remain but from where I sit Bernie would have been a better candidate against Trump in 2016. The electorate is looking for something beyond the normal standard Wall Street backed solution. So seriously that they went for Trump even though that was the opposite what they actually thought that they were getting.

[Zambero]

154. Count me in

Sarandonistas might indeed be willing
to stomach a second term of insanity. Those who value protecting what remains of our republic will certainly not.

[TwilightZone]

159. "where again he didn't have a chance"

538 had Trump at a 30% chance of winning. 30% is not zero, though many seem to insist otherwise.

[garybeck]

161. I've already made that promise, but Joe is NOT my choice.

I've said on du many times that in the general election I will vote for whoever gets the d nomination.

Having said that I do not think Joe Biden is what this country needs right now.

[mtnsnake]

162. Your post is an insult to anyone who isn't a diehard Biden fan

Most people here are loyal enough Democrats that they certainly don't need to make any deals with you to convince them to vote for whomever the ultimate Democratic nominee is.

You promising to vote for Bernie or Elizabeth if one of them gets the nomination in exchange for their supporters promising to vote for Joe Biden if he gets the nod is one of the silliest things I've ever heard. LOL!