Okay, who agrees with Biden's idea that there will be a Republican "epiphany" if Dem wins. (poll)

[hedda_foil]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/443662-biden-republicans-will-have-an-epiphany-after-trump-leaves-white-house

Biden: Republicans will have an 'epiphany' after Trump leaves White House

Presidential hopeful Joe Biden said Tuesday he believes Republicans will have an “epiphany” and be more willing to work with Democrats when President Trump leaves office.

“I just think there is a way, and the thing that will fundamentally change things is with Donald Trump out of the White House — not a joke — you will see an epiphany occur among many of my Republican friends,” the former vice president said during a campaign stop in New Hampshire, adding that the GOP feels “intimidated” by Trump.

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[Kahuna7]

1. Biden is my man. But that ain't gonna happen. nt

[unblock]

2. of course he's right, but you've phrased it the wrong way.

republicans and the media will insist that democrats need to reach across the aisle and work with republicans, now is the time to bring the country together, etc.

but, yes, he's right, they'll be all about "bipartisanship" and "cooperation". meaning, that democrats should appoint some republicans to the cabinet and pass some republican ideas into law, etc....

[Celerity]

45. truth

[LonePirate]

3. Not a chance in hell any Republican will work with Biden or any Democrats after 2020.

[Wellstone ruled]

4. Being the same age as Biden,

wow,Joe,you and I are in our declining years. Our decision making skills are clouded by our past,and you had friends in the Senate,but they burned you to the ground years ago. Mitch McConnell and Cornyn are not your friends. You have seen how your Buddy Richard Burr burned your pal Senator Warner. It's time to listen to the Kids,they are our Change Agents.

[rpannier]

20. His last real friend in the senate died recently, that was Sen Lugar

No knock on Lugar or Biden. They worked well together after the fall of the Soviet Union to keep the Soviet nuclear missiles and technology contained
As far as sane, or there abouts, two quit the Republikkan Party: Chafee and Jeffords. Murkowsky is the most sane of the sitting Republican senators. Mc Cain is about the closest after her that didn't quit and he was a jerk for the most part.

[Wellstone ruled]

41. Being honest about being mid to

late Seventies. Yah I know,some Seventy five plus year olds are more alert than others,but,we had our chance and we allowed the Ponzi King to f-up our Country because we missed the big picture for some glance at a minny photo.

[rzemanfl]

5. Took a pass because there was no "They will have an epiphany, but

they'll be lying" option.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

29. Precisely!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[pangaia]

6. Is he joking?

Seriously...

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

30. I had to read Joe's comments twice to make sure I was reading it right.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[tonedevil]

7. I'll take...

things that will never happen for $1000.00.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

31. It's a Daily Double!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[dawg]

8. They'll have an epiphany that says the President shouldn't have any authority at all ...

now that a Democrat holds the office.

(Also expect epiphanies regarding the budget deficit, the fed funds rate, and various other matters.)

[dalton99a]

9. +1. Like they did to Democratic governors-elect

[More_Cowbell]

10. I think that some Republicans will use that in their 2020 election campaigns

In the hopes of not being voted out in another Democratic landslide, they'll say "Look, Joe Biden thinks that we're worth electing again."

I hope that by 2020 there are so few GOP politicians in Congress that it won't *matter* what they think.

I'll never forgive or forget Mitch saying that his aim was to make Obama a one-term president. The GOP is rotten to its core.

[WeekiWater]

11. I fully agree because he is right.

If we get Biden in the WH, hold strong numbers in the House, and stay close in the senate; we are more likely to pass positive comprehensive reform.

[Celerity]

35. reform on what?

The only way the Rethugs will move at all will be to take 6 steps further right, demand the Dems meet them halfway (so 3 steps rightward) then, after we foolishly do that, take one further rightward step and say, one more Dems and its a deal.

If we start trying to make 'comprehensive reforms' with them, the country will go full-blown corporatist oligarchy. It is a recipe for decades of disaster. Banksters and defence contractors, de-regulators and austerity ghouls gone wild.

Biden is delusional if he thinks he will get a fair shake out of McConnell and the rest of the RW. They have nothing but corpo-grift and rapacious erosion of any and all social welfare state underpinnings on their rotten little mind. They also will be 100% invested in destroying Biden so they can ramrod Tom Cotton or some other madman down the nation's throat in 2024.

The only hope we have is to take the Senate as well, and with Bullock (MT), Hickenlooper (CO), Susan Rice (ME), Abrams (GA), Beto/Joaquin Castro (TX) all saying no to Schumer and Cortez Masto that possibility is rapidly diminishing.

[WeekiWater]

38. Immigration. Criminal justice. Tax.

We can do comprehensive reform with them. There is no question about it. We must have the Presidency, the house in large numbers, and it has to be extremely close in the senate.

I get that throwing around the word “delusional” can be fun. It’s little more than hyperbole.

[Celerity]

39. nope, they will only offer RW bills with poison pills inserted that will blow up in conference

committee.

Taxes??????? ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Maybe, maybe some dodgy offer for the Dreamers, but with mad strings attached that will further skid us to the right.

And when a SCOTUS justice dies or retires, they will never allow confirmations, expect 2 (or 4 if we fail to retake it in 2022) years of Garlanding.

[WeekiWater]

40. I really don't think you get the power of numbers.

I really don’t think you get how many Republicans have voted for a pathway to citizenship. I really don’t think you get that bipartisan means you don’t have to get many of them onboard.

Easy? No. Will it meet with the purity crowd? No. Will it move us to the left? Absolutely.

Seems pretty clear you are taking a stand on what Biden said that he doesn’t even believe.

[Celerity]

43. I think you vastly overrate Biden's power

He is nowhere even near the nomination yet, and certainly not a lock to win the POTUS if the economy holds up and we bollocks up oversight over the orange bloat. I am young but I wasn't born yesterday. I NEVER count chickens before they hatch.

Biden has an outdated view of the modern political landscape IMHO.

Joe Biden: "I like Dick Cheney, for real. I think he is a decent man."

Joe Biden’s Paid Speech Buoyed the G.O.P. in Midwest Battleground

The former vice president's address in October helped Fred Upton, a vulnerable Republican, win re-election in Michigan.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/23/us/politics/biden-speech-fred-upton.html

snip

But Mr. Biden’s appearance in Michigan plainly set his lucrative personal activities at odds with what some Democrats saw as his duty to the party, linking him with a civic group seen as tilting to the right and undermining Democrats’ effort to defeat Mr. Upton, a powerful lawmaker who in 2017 helped craft a bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act.

snip


Finally, it is ludicrous to think that a Rethug Senate will pass bills that move the nation 'to the left', unless you are going to give me some plazzy version of what 'left' is.

[Politicub]

12. A leopard can't change its spots

The GOP is the party of Trump now.

Giving them an olive branch is one of my fears about Biden. “But they’re muh friends.”

[DownriverDem]

13. Nothing scares repubs more

than losing. Biden/Harris!

[cynatnite]

14. Has any repub ever been sorry for supporting Nixon?

I don't think the repub party has it in them to ever regret their support no matter the low-life or the criminal.

[yaesu]

15. won't happen, naive at best. nt

[PoliticAverse]

16. Yeah if the Democrats hold the House and win the Senate and Presidency....

the Republicans will be all about the necessity for "bi-partisanship" again.

[loyalsister]

17. Give me a break

I guess anything is possible, but that is not something I would bet on. They elected him and don't appear to have any remorse.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

23. Joe has to know the "Republican friends" he mentioned are NOT going to have this "epiphany"

he's talkin about. They're still Republicans, like the proverbial scorpion... so why would Joe say that?


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[loyalsister]

24. Maybe he's idealistic

Obama was very idealistic at the outset. The 2004 convention speech was inspiring. Biden had a front row seat while we were all disabused of the idea that we had made significant progress in race relations. That kind of optimism makes no sense to me right now.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

28. Me neither... but, this being Joe's 3rd Democratic primary race & given his time spent in

political office, he must know of what he speaks... even if I don't get it.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Laelth]

18. There is little to no redemption possible for the Republican Party.

They created their own racist, homophobic, and misogynistic base, and now they can’t get elected without them. Regardless, there’s no way that they will cooperate with Democrats to advance the interests of the republic. They can’t. Their base won’t allow it.

-Laelth

[Celerity]

44. +1

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

19. Why would Joe say there'll "be an epiphany...among many of my Republican friends"?!?!

Even if Joe's Republican friends would, in fact, have such an epiphany - I highly doubt it - they're only too happy to have that thought put out there in the hope that it gets publicized to save them seats in Congress. I don't understand Joe's strategy in referring to his Republican friends about this.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Voltaire2]

21. Delusional.

[rogue emissary]

22. Did he sleep through the eight years of the Obama presidency???

[Thekaspervote]

25. Maybe he is actually trying to swing the minds of voters... republican voters

[robbedvoter]

26. Merrick Garland would like a word

[Celerity]

36. +10000

[yaesu]

27. We need a fighter, not a compromiser, we tried that before & look what happened. nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

32. That's for sure!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[dawg day]

33. They don't want an epiphany-

What seems to us to be a big problem-- they can't win a majority of votes-- they like, as it means they don't think they have to work for all of America, just their slice of it (and not even them-- they'll just lie to them).

They don't want more voters. They control the WH, the Senate, and most state governorships without ever winning a real majority.

[Gothmog]

34. It depends what happens down ballot in 2020

If the GOP loses enough seats down ballot, then the GOP will be more reasonable. trump could very well damage or destroy the GOP so that they have to be more reasonable

[CTyankee]

37. The ones who won't will die on the vine aand that will make a big impression on those pukes

who are feeling the heat from back home to straighten up and fly right. By that time, Trump will have gotten the American people in such bad shape that the pukes as we know them now will have to work something out with Dems or just get a beating next election...

[sellitman]

42. Those days are long past

It's nuclear war from here on out.

Give no quarter.

[Vogon_Glory]

46. I could vote for Joe Biden But In this he is sorely mistaken

His idea that Republicans would have an epiphany after a Democratic victory is completely, utterly mistaken. The Republican Party has to be beaten to the ground and sent to oblivion.

[Maru Kitteh]

47. They'll have an epiphany when we restore the senate (D)

[JudyM]

48. This reminds me of when McConnell said he was going to make opposition to Obama his number 1

Priority and Reid was stunned and said he knew McConnell better than that and he didn’t actually mean it.

Joe. Wake. Up.

[PDittie]

49. 84/116 as of this posting

= 72%. (Maybe us Berners freeped it, like we do the Kos straw poll.)

[earthshine]

50. And they say Biden is no longer the "Gaffer in Chief."

"Republicans will have an 'epiphany' after Trump leaves White House"

This sounds like a big gaf to me.

Sheer nonsense -- harmful to liberal causes -- comes out of this man's mouth.

"I like Dick Cheney, for real. I think he is a decent man." -- Biden

[Thomas Hurt]

51. The only things that will bring about an epiphany....

is that Trump gets ten of thousands of people killed
he crashed the economy

in other words he puts the GOP Senators seats in jeopardy

but since the 30% conservative base are fanatics and they think they are getting Roe overturned...........not a chance in hell.

[LakeArenal]

52. If they won't work with Biden then they aren't about to work with the others.

So what is the point of this poll.
Another chance to attack the old white guy?

If the Pukes don’t have some sort of wake up then we are screwed for more years.
Happens no matter who is elected including dump.

Joe may not have friends in the Senate, he does in the House and the World. That beats any other candidate.

[BeyondGeography]

53. Biden is a socialist and must be stopped

They already had their epiphany, Joe. There it is.

[CanonRay]

54. I like Joe

but get real.

[Golden Raisin]

55. That will happen after Vladimir Putin

dresses up in red-white-and-blue drag as the Statue of Liberty and dances a can-can on the lawn of the White House.

[Ace Rothstein]

56. Has Biden been asleep for the last decade?

Biden will be Hillary 2.0 or a one term president if he does win and not by choice.

[TreasonousBastard]

57. He's dreaming, but the real Senate problem is the Mitch & Don show...

January 2021 will give us a new Congress and no Trump (hopefully). The current Senators who are afraid of losing their seats for dissing Trump will have far less fear with Biden.

We've already seen how the turtle managed to screw over Obama, but will he be able to screw over Biden as easily?

Biden's not my favorite, but it's not a problem seeing him voice hope in a campaign speech.