
Wed May 15, 2019, 06:53 AM
TexasTowelie (81,323 posts)
Bernie Sanders zeros in on Joe Biden as his favorite foil
WASHINGTON (AP) — Bernie Sanders is quick to slam Joe Biden’s past support of free trade deals and the Iraq War. He is warning him against a “middle ground” approach to addressing climate change. His campaign sends fundraising appeals with a simple, foreboding subject line: “Joe Biden.”
In his nearly three weeks as a presidential candidate, Biden has become Sanders’ favorite foil. No one seeking the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination has been as aggressive as the Vermont senator in highlighting episodes from the former vice president’s past to sow skepticism in the party’s progressive base. The strategy is reminiscent of Sanders’ approach to the 2016 Democratic primary, when he relentlessly slammed Hillary Clinton as an establishment pawn. And it’s a reminder that, even when Sanders lags in the polls, he is often most comfortable when he’s taking on top Democrats, hoping that such attacks will energize his most loyal supporters. Read more: https://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/ap_news/politics/bernie-sanders-zeros-in-on-joe-biden-as-his-favorite/article_d3def22c-b067-57a1-8306-b2be371ba445.html
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
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Author | Time | Post |
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TexasTowelie | May 2019 | OP |
Cha | May 2019 | #1 | |
Peacetrain | May 2019 | #2 | |
Cha | May 2019 | #8 | |
sheshe2 | May 2019 | #29 | |
rgbecker | May 2019 | #3 | |
George II | May 2019 | #9 | |
comradebillyboy | May 2019 | #10 | |
George II | May 2019 | #15 | |
PDittie | May 2019 | #4 | |
The Velveteen Ocelot | May 2019 | #19 | |
ehrnst | May 2019 | #22 | |
LibFarmer | May 2019 | #25 | |
Nanjeanne | May 2019 | #5 | |
DownriverDem | May 2019 | #7 | |
Nanjeanne | May 2019 | #12 | |
LibFarmer | May 2019 | #26 | |
Blue_true | May 2019 | #30 | |
DownriverDem | May 2019 | #6 | |
The Velveteen Ocelot | May 2019 | #20 | |
MineralMan | May 2019 | #11 | |
Nanjeanne | May 2019 | #13 | |
MineralMan | May 2019 | #14 | |
ehrnst | May 2019 | #23 | |
Blue_true | May 2019 | #31 | |
Fresh_Start | May 2019 | #32 | |
NastyRiffraff | May 2019 | #16 | |
peggysue2 | May 2019 | #17 | |
loyalsister | May 2019 | #18 | |
Hortensis | May 2019 | #21 | |
Fresh_Start | May 2019 | #33 | |
treestar | Jun 2019 | #38 | |
loyalsister | Jun 2019 | #40 | |
Gothmog | May 2019 | #24 | |
LibFarmer | May 2019 | #27 | |
NYMinute | May 2019 | #28 | |
emmaverybo | May 2019 | #34 | |
Cha | Jun 2019 | #36 | |
Cha | Jun 2019 | #35 | |
TexasTowelie | Jun 2019 | #37 | |
Cha | Jun 2019 | #39 |
Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 07:07 AM
Cha (269,191 posts)
1. BackFiring!
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Cha (Reply #1)
Wed May 15, 2019, 07:20 AM
Peacetrain (20,965 posts)
2. Sometimes people get caught up in their own publicity..
No one is irreplaceable.. Elizabeth Warren has moved into that space occupied by Bernie Sanders in 2016 basically because she explains her stances and backs them up with policy..
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Peacetrain (Reply #2)
Wed May 15, 2019, 08:19 AM
Cha (269,191 posts)
8. He
never learns.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Cha (Reply #1)
Wed May 15, 2019, 07:33 PM
sheshe2 (70,540 posts)
29. S.
I.
N. K. I. N. G. ![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 07:28 AM
rgbecker (4,382 posts)
3. Wish there were at least one quote from Bernie in the article.
Maybe then we could take it seriously.
This seems to be the entire complaint: Bernie Sanders is quick to slam Joe Biden’s past support of free trade deals and the Iraq War. He is warning him against a “middle ground” approach to addressing climate change. His campaign sends fundraising appeals with a simple, foreboding subject line: “Joe Biden.” What did the Foreboding "Joe Biden" fundraising appeal say? Have you got anything at all? If telling people about a candidate's voting record is slamming than what exactly is a campaign about? ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to rgbecker (Reply #3)
Wed May 15, 2019, 08:22 AM
George II (60,644 posts)
9. That "Joe Biden" email has been posted here before. I'm not going to go look for it but....
....the first paragraph talked about "establishment Democrats", "1%" (of which HE is now a part, and has been longer than he'll admit), and one or two of the other derogatory buzz words he's been using for years.
It used to be a campaign was "about" talking about one's accomplishments and define one's own position on issues and how to work on them, not bashing someone else's record. When is Sanders going to ever get into HIS accomplishments? In almost five years of running for president I haven't seen him do that once. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to George II (Reply #9)
Wed May 15, 2019, 08:33 AM
comradebillyboy (8,480 posts)
10. He doesn't have any accomplishments does he?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #10)
Wed May 15, 2019, 08:59 AM
George II (60,644 posts)
15. None that he ever talks about, except that he was at the March on Washington "with" MLK in 1963.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 07:35 AM
PDittie (8,322 posts)
4. Go get him, Bernie!
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to PDittie (Reply #4)
Wed May 15, 2019, 11:39 AM
The Velveteen Ocelot (92,510 posts)
19. Maybe Bernie should concentrate his efforts against Trump
instead of trying to kneecap an actual Democrat.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden This is the DU member formerly known as The Velveteen Ocelot.
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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #19)
Wed May 15, 2019, 06:22 PM
ehrnst (32,640 posts)
22. +1000.(nt)
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to PDittie (Reply #4)
Wed May 15, 2019, 07:09 PM
LibFarmer (772 posts)
25. Yeah .. go get him and see how it plays out this time
People have seen this movie before.
This time, it is going to backfire badly. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 07:38 AM
Nanjeanne (4,016 posts)
5. They are one and two. Comparing their policies and votes is what all candidates
should be doing. There have been zero slams by Sanders against Biden. This is a primary and all candidates need to contrast themselves from each other. These kinds of articles are silly and click bait and do nothing to help people make intelligent decisions on who they will vote for. They are simply to create a fake story to get people riled up. It’s the reality tv state of our politics now. Gossip takes the place of actual policy discussion.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #5)
Wed May 15, 2019, 08:02 AM
DownriverDem (4,735 posts)
7. Good Luck
Folks have moved away from Bernie for a reason. Attacking Biden will not gain him any support.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to DownriverDem (Reply #7)
Wed May 15, 2019, 08:45 AM
Nanjeanne (4,016 posts)
12. Thanks for wishing me good luck.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to DownriverDem (Reply #7)
Wed May 15, 2019, 07:11 PM
LibFarmer (772 posts)
26. He will actually lose some vacillating voters
They won't like this one bit -- not the second time around.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to DownriverDem (Reply #7)
Wed May 15, 2019, 07:35 PM
Blue_true (29,809 posts)
30. My guess is Bernie's sensible supporters are moving over to Senator Warren as the best hope for
their cause. The more Bernie attacks, the more he solidifies Senator Warren's support.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 08:01 AM
DownriverDem (4,735 posts)
6. Won't work
Folks are moving away from Bernie including young folks.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to DownriverDem (Reply #6)
Wed May 15, 2019, 11:40 AM
The Velveteen Ocelot (92,510 posts)
20. I supported Bernie in 2016 but I'm so over him now.
He isn't helping his campaign by trying to be a spoiler.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden This is the DU member formerly known as The Velveteen Ocelot.
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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 08:39 AM
MineralMan (136,573 posts)
11. Yes, but How Many Post Office did Joe Biden Ever Name?
See?
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to MineralMan (Reply #11)
Wed May 15, 2019, 08:45 AM
Nanjeanne (4,016 posts)
13. How many health clinics did Joe add to the ACA?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #13)
Wed May 15, 2019, 08:51 AM
MineralMan (136,573 posts)
14. He was Vice President at that time, right?
Not in the Senate.
See, I was making a joke in my post. You weren't. But Joe Biden wasn't in a position to add health clinics to the ACA at that time. Bernie was. Joe was in the House and Senate, though, for many years. I'm guessing he might have named a few post offices during that time, but I don't actually know. So, I made a joke. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #13)
Wed May 15, 2019, 06:23 PM
ehrnst (32,640 posts)
23. As VP?
Please. Grasping at straws to make a point?
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #13)
Wed May 15, 2019, 07:39 PM
Blue_true (29,809 posts)
31. Likely thousands. He was part of the Administration that implemented Pelosi and Reed's work. nt
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #13)
Wed May 15, 2019, 07:43 PM
Fresh_Start (11,181 posts)
32. if the Obama administration hadn't forced the issue then there would be no
ACA for Sanders to add his two bits to....
PS: Biden was part of the Obama administration. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 09:49 AM
NastyRiffraff (12,448 posts)
16. Of course he does
This is entirely predictable. He's running like it's 2016 and it's not working. The more behind he gets, the more shrill his attacks are going to be. Watch as the various candidates rise and fall; he will attack accordingly.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 10:25 AM
peggysue2 (7,645 posts)
17. The Senator from Vermont is pining for . . .
Hillary Clinton to work this strategy on, a 2016 redux. Think he'll find a far less polite foil in Joe Biden.
But please, carry on with the futile digging. Btw check your calendar--we're heading towards 2020 where the landscape is vastly different. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 11:36 AM
loyalsister (13,390 posts)
18. I wish they would both step aside
We've been tricked into confronting a false choice before.
We currently have candidates who have solutions that are not based on a standard exclusionary model that has been failing so many people for decades and also not pie in the sky. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to loyalsister (Reply #18)
Wed May 15, 2019, 11:52 AM
Hortensis (43,915 posts)
21. Now, I see disinfo-ing our ideology for Republican as the big trick
that's been pulled on us. By false equivocation from both left and right, both lying to confuse and deceive voters by smearing us with conservative sins.
But any this case, both of these men stand on their own. Neither is an "exclusionary" binary model. All of America knows we have 20 other choices, a few genuinely viable at this point with a long race to go. We can expect support for Biden to drop somewhat, and likely into competitive range, as other candidates become better known and draw interest. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to loyalsister (Reply #18)
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Response to loyalsister (Reply #18)
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 05:07 AM
treestar (78,306 posts)
38. Warren can't win unless they step aside?
That's what you are telling me. Not very persuasive for Warren, I'd say.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to treestar (Reply #38)
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 10:52 AM
loyalsister (13,390 posts)
40. I'm not advocating for any candidate
And I think arguments between Biden and Sanders are an unnecessary waste of media energy when she has claimed a middle ground between the two of them.
I was hoping to see a productive primary and would also love to see a younger candidate emerge with a strong, well defined platform, but if I were going to vote today. It would be Warren. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 06:53 PM
Gothmog (92,066 posts)
24. This strategy will not work
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden This is the DU member formerly known as Gothmog.
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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 07:12 PM
LibFarmer (772 posts)
27. Angry man saying get off my lawn nt
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to LibFarmer (Reply #27)
Wed May 15, 2019, 07:16 PM
NYMinute (3,256 posts)
28. lol
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 08:46 PM
emmaverybo (7,929 posts)
34. Not a good look. Used to like him. But the attacks from him and supporters, on Joe, and Hilary
are a decided turn-off. I feel a desperation coming off him. Some fine ideas. Needs to stay in his own lane and shine there.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to emmaverybo (Reply #34)
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 04:32 AM
Cha (269,191 posts)
36. I stopped respecting him
in 2011 when he said he thought it would be a good idea to primary President Obama.
Actually I never did like him. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 04:29 AM
Cha (269,191 posts)
35. How's that working out?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Cha (Reply #35)
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 04:40 AM
TexasTowelie (81,323 posts)
37. It doesn't appear to be working at all.
I've already told my brother that I get the laptop during the debates this week. While I expect that the debate will be interesting among Biden and Bernie, I also expect someone else further down the pack to have a breakthrough moment and start climbing in the polls.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to TexasTowelie (Reply #37)
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 05:10 AM
Cha (269,191 posts)
39. Glad you get
the laptop during the debates, TexasT!
Yeah, there will be all kinds of fireworks during debate week.. good luck to most of them. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |