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[DownriverDem]

1. Sorry

but that's your opinion. A majority of folks support him.

[denverbill]

17. 14% of DUers support him. That's not a majority.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

35. Wait!! You mean 14% is LESS than 50+%?! Let me check on that & I'll get back to you.

Nothing like simple math to set people straight!!




Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[George II]

53. 14% is 175% more than 8%....

"Nothing like simple math to set people straight!!"

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

83. No one disputes Biden is currently winning the "DU primary"... never said otherwise.

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Just that Joe doesn't have anywhere near a majority... certainly, you must understand that. But, good for Joe on his impressive showing... though you might wanna check your math.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[George II]

117. In most polls, both nationally and individually by state, he's roughly 2-3 to 1....

.... ahead of his closest rival. In some he's barely under 50% against ALL 20+ rivals, but of course some would say it's within the margin of error.

Surely if it came down to two or three others that would put him over that 50% level. Anyone looking at this objectively would say he's almost a shoo in for the nomination.

[Fiendish Thingy]

87. Um, 14% isn't even 100% more than 8%

That would be 16%

Simple math and all...

[Dr Hobbitstein]

50. DU is not representative of the Democratic party, though.

This site skews older and white.

[Thekaspervote]

86. Right!!!

[DemocracyMouse]

147. "Right!!" is your response to DU "skews older and white"?

I agree with the original post. We need a Democrat who reads a lot and can build deep, intelligent enthusiasm

That would be Warren.

[Instant Liberal]

65. The majority of voters are in fact not DUers

There's a reason he's been leading in polls since before he even announced. He was preferred over Hillary but he wouldn't run after losing his son. You honestly think the former VP of the most popular president in the last 30 years isn't electable?

[trueblue2007]

107. WHY ARE YOU BASHING VP BIDEN. You didn't even offer any FACTS to back up your bashing.

PLEASE GIVE US SOME FIGURES, give us some details.

[left-of-center2012]

119. And, on DU ... Sanders ranks below BUTTIGIEG

[ucrdem]

157. And falling. nt

[ucrdem]

2. There there.

Feel better?

[sheshe2]

115. Holding back a snort here.

luv ya.

[ucrdem]

156. He had a good run but . . .

[zaj]

3. This is a radical view.

[JI7]

4. the Russians propped up Trump and Sanders in 2016

they all demonized Hillary because they had to convince people to vote against her instead of for them.

[oasis]

5. Then which candidate can "totally unite" us?

[BootinUp]

18. That be a unicorn. Nt

[LovingA2andMI]

29. The Tooth Fairy????

Maybe..

[sprinkleeninow]

42. Santa! Most everbody likes Santa! 😄 eom

[sheshe2]

104. hmmmm

[comradebillyboy]

121. One of my physics professors sang with the Irish Rovers back in the early 60s.

[sheshe2]

126. Too cool.

I loved going to the Irish pubs and listening...

[comradebillyboy]

138. I had a job in the physics department working for him and a couple of classes.

He never mentioned it at all. This is like 1968-69 or thereabouts. He did talk about Northern Irish politics though, he was definitely a Unionist.

[sheshe2]

139. I loved listening to them.

Small world.

[True Dough]

31. I was feelin' the OP's sentiment

then I scrolled down far enough to see Bernie peering back at me from the bottom of his post. He lost me there.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

41. You and me both.

He slams Biden, but thinks Sanders can beat trumpie ? What is HE smoking and where can I get some of that ?

[oasis]

72. I guess there's no candidate who can "totally unite" us. So....

back to square one. Darn it!

[trueblue2007]

110. i want to see HIS FACTS ..... NOT BASHING.

i don't get it. ususally a post like this will offer facts, percentages, numbers of voters, INFORMATION....... he says ::::: JOE BIDEN "supports big banks against students, drug companies and health insurance companies over patients, free trade agreements that cause jobs to move overseas, outsourcing of IT jobs, and intellectual property rights over worker rights. " ......



BUT HE OFFERS NO FACTS. JUST NEGATIVE PHRASES. Sorry, I want the facts, man.

[Autumn]

125. Yes. Like all the facts in this one.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=thread&address=128735271&info=1#recs

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

146. You got a point there!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[MBS]

159. ditto. n/t

[still_one]

6. What do you exactly expect to accomplish with this OP?

[LongtimeAZDem]

12. Won't work; Biden isn't Sanders

[Haggis for Breakfast]

44. Well, YOU have cooties.

There. That's about the level you're at with that.

[sprinkleeninow]

68. Ut-oh. Forgive me for a possible thread derail.

Husband and I had same exact nice colorful flannel and cotton sleep type shorts. I wear them outside during warm months. He for sleep. Same size so who knew which was which. He said once he wouldn't wear identically anymore in case they had cooties.🐛

Two months today he's reposed and I'm a plethora of benign and ungood emotions.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

75. I'm sorry for your loss.

I apologize if I made you sad.



I hope you find peace in your time.

[sprinkleeninow]

91. I thank you for your kindness. No, you did not make me sad.

I should've refrained from posting that mb, but 'cooties' brought back to mind that which he said. Doing my level best to attain some levity in my life despite of what happened here.

You wunnerful DU companions help me tremendously!

😚

[Haggis for Breakfast]

95. All the best to you.

I'll keep you in my thoughts.

[sprinkleeninow]

116. 💛 you.

[emmaverybo]

90. Grief is a roller coaster. Shock sets in. We don't even know it until much much later. So sorry!

[sprinkleeninow]

113. Yes, it does this.

I get weary in the evening, then it seems to magnify itself.

It's strange but I hardly grieved 'him' dying if that makes any sense. I'm like grieving for myself. Sounds selfish, but I'm in survival mode.

Thank you for your expression of sorrow.

[emmaverybo]

123. Evenings are the toughest

[sprinkleeninow]

129. And

too!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

136. No worries... sorry to hear that. Just remember, it wouldn't hurt so much

if not for the good fortune of having found each other and of the many fond memories of the life you made together, like the one you shared with us... glad you did. May you find peace and comfort... hugz



Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[emmaverybo]

80. Oh, stop. My sides are splitting.

[still_one]

57. Appreciate the straight forward answer, and believe it or not I understand your point

[Gothmog]

64. Recent polling has shown that the thread you referenced is accurate

sanders is not electable. There are far too many real democrats who have long memories. These real democrats will not forgive or forget

[rusty quoin]

127. Well played sir.

[NYMinute]

133. We feel your pain

Really. Seriously.

Now let's get back to things within the confines of reality. Enough fantasy.

[Autumn]

11. What did this one accomplish? Sometimes an OP is just an opinion.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128735271

[highplainsdem]

7. Biden's well ahead in the polls with every age group except the youngest. That minority does not

get to dictate to the majority.

Primaries don't work that way.

If Biden is the nominee, any young Democratic voters and progressives who won't vote for him will be in effect helping to re-elect Trump. Period.

[WeekiWater]

8. Are you mocking HA Goodman?

Well done!

[BeyondGeography]

9. He'd be running against Trump so I don't see a McGovernesque outcome

but I do see younger voters sitting it out. We can do better, IMO.

[Funtatlaguy]

19. No matter our nominee, There will be record turnout to oust Trump.

[TomSlick]

13. Suffering Jesus.

Not the corporatist Democrat canard again!! That way lies protest votes for Jill Stein and the Trump's re-election.

EDIT: I apologize for the blasphemy. I was raised better but words fail me.

[sprinkleeninow]

47. Well, and He did weep. eom

[TomSlick]

89. I appreciate your forbearance.

I don't need to hear that crap again this year.

I don't know - honestly, I do not know - how I will vote in the primary. However, I will not be blackmailed by claims that if any given candidate does not win the nomination, his or her supporters will vote for Jill Stein or stay home.

I am a southerner of Scots/Irish descent with nearly thirty years of service in the Army. I will follow a leader to the gates of hell but I will not be pushed through the pearly gates.

[sprinkleeninow]

102. I honor you and appreciate you for your service.

We have a 'polychromatic garden' of contenders and I have no earthly idea who will remain viable when all is said and done.

Mb we'll be surprised at the outcome. There's no telling.

Whoever it is gets my vote for sure, no qualms.

Registered and loyal and proud Dem since 1965.

[sprinkleeninow]

105. Addendum.

Ima transplanted Northerner of Czechoslovakian heritage now living down South.

I've been mixing and mingling with y'all as best as I know how. It was a tad culture shock 34 years ago, but if I ever tried to go back, I'd miss my life here. I'm loving it! I'm fully invested! 😊

[W_HAMILTON]

14. A "corporate owned Democrat?" Fuck that bullshit.

What actually is going to happen in 2020 is that the people in 2016 that listened to bullshit like this, about how our candidate is "corporate owned," are going to completely ignore that propaganda this time around and vote for the only candidate that will kick Trump's corrupt ass out of the White House.

[INdemo]

15. Republicans have

50 years of what they would call dirt on Biden.
The same as the had against Hillary which was 30 years So they have all the talking points ready and course it’s bull shit.
But they have the corporate media producers on their side

[denverbill]

25. It's not dirt. It's voting records.

You are correct about Hillary. Rush Limbaugh and the right-wing echo chamber had been ragging on her since 1994, and the pathetic Republicans in Congress spent years 'investigating' her alleged misdoings in Benghazi and her email server. They bragged about these phony investigations costing Hillary the election.

IMO, the policies of the pro-corporate Democrats represented by Bill and Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden, are what cost the Democrats in 2016. If Biden wins the nomination, it will probably be a even worse in 2020.

You need to have a reason to vote FOR a candidate, not against a candidate, even a pathetic shit-bag like Trump.

[wasupaloopa]

39. No Bernie helped to cost is the election. Just as you are doing here.

You are doing to Biden what you did to Hillary.

It has gone past it’s do not use date.

The speeches and his supporters antics are just rehashes of 2016.

You can’t raise the dead

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

40. I have MANY reasons to vote FOR Bernie and his revolutionary progressive agenda.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[George II]

46. Suuure....and just what IS that "revolutionary progressive agenda"? I've never seen it articulated.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

49. Then I hope you enjoy trump's second term.

Because a vote for Bernie will give us exactly that.

[NBachers]

100. Oh look- the other one showed up.

[radical noodle]

94. Do you believe that no one

has a reason to vote against Bernie? Because you'd be wrong about that. Here on DU, most would hold their nose and vote for Bernie, but out in the real world... not so much.

You're throwing stones and you live in a glass house yourself.

[pangaia]

16. Thank,you for your input.

Back to Bruckner...

[BeyondGeography]

37. Anton?

That’s healthy, if so.

[pangaia]

66. Is there another?

#8 THIS ONE?

Great timpani part and one of the all time great endings.. yup !!!

?t=5798

[BeyondGeography]

85. Oh man, I love Celi's stately Bruckner interpretations

Here’s one I’ve watched too many times:

[pangaia]

99. Another great one.....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. I have been a member since Kobe and Shaq were a thing

I have been a member since Kobe and Shaq were a thing

By the time Trump and Rahm Emanuel Democrats get done alienating progressive and liberals, it will be the most crushing defeat since George McGovern in 1972.

I have never seen anything as absurd.

[John Fante]

21. Thanks for reminding us that

Bernie's divisiveness (best exemplified by his "Busters" and their "lesser of two evils" stupidity) helped pave the road for Trump's win. That paved the road for Rapey Brett, which paved the road for the horrid abortion bill that was signed into law today.

Excellent timing sir.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. +1

[LongtimeAZDem]

30. +1

[Haggis for Breakfast]

54. + 1 more

[NBachers]

103. Most Excellent Reply!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

23. Well, you know what they say about opinions....

That's yours. Many others disagree - so many that Biden is significantly ahead in almost all polls.

[sprinkleeninow]

56. Hiya!

My unapologetic INSLEE promo. 😁

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

59. Back atcha!

I am unapologetically undecided. But I do like Inslee.

[sprinkleeninow]

70. Regardless,

[Merlot]

24. I tend to agree with you.

Biden is my least favorite candidate, and it's because I don't think he can win. You have spelled out exactly my reasons...much better than I could.

What we saw in the mid-terms was a lot of new energy and new ideas. We need to keep that monentum going, it certainly works.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. What we saw in the mid terms was a lot of center left candidates winning purple seats.

How many Justice Democrats won competitive seats?

[LongtimeAZDem]

45. Looks like three:

Kerri Evelyn Harris Lost primary
Mary Matiella Lost primary
Raul Grijalva Won general
Brianna Westbrook Lost primary
Deedra Abboud Lost primary
Audrey Denney Lost general
Roza Calderon Lost primary
Dotty Nygard Lost primary
Ro Khanna Won general
Bryan Caforio Lost primary
Laura Oatman Lost primary
Doug Applegate Lost primary
Ammar Campa-Najjar Lost general
Alison Hartson Lost primary
Stephany Rose Spaulding Lost general
Chardo Richardson Lost primary
Michael A. Hepburn Lost primary
Lisa Ring Lost general
Kaniela Ing Lost primary
Courtney Rowe Lost primary
Pete D'Alessandro Lost primary
Marie Newman Lost primary
Sameena Mustafa Lost primary
Anthony Clark Lost primary
David Gill Lost primary
Daniel Canon Lost primary
Brent Welder Lost primary
James Thompson Lost general
Juana Matias Lost primary
Ayanna Pressley Won general
Ben Jealous Lost general
Matt Morgan Lost general
Rob Davidson Lost general
David Benac Lost primary
Fayrouz Saad Lost primary
Rashida Tlaib Won general
Abdul El-Sayed Lost primary
Ilhan Omar Won general
Cori Bush Lost primary
John Heenan Lost primary
Kara Eastman Lost general
Amy Vilela Lost primary
Peter Jacob Lost primary
Antoinette Sedillo Lopez Lost primary
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Won general
Jeff Beals Lost primary
Patrick Nelson Lost primary
Ian Golden Lost primary
Jenny Marshall Lost primary
John Russell Lost primary
Greg Edwards Lost primary
Jessica King Lost general
Jimmy Darnell Jones Lost primary
Lorie Burch Lost general
Laura Moser Lost primary
Vanessa Adia Lost general
Adrienne Bell Lost general
Derrick Crowe Lost primary
Mary Wilson Lost primary
Rick Treviño Lost primary
Linsey Fagan Lost general
Darlene McDonald Lost primary
Dorothy Gasque Lost primary
Pramila Jayapal Won general
Sarah Smith Lost general
Randy Bryce Lost general
Paula Jean Swearengin Lost primary

[DemocratSinceBirth]

60. Not all of them were competitive districts

Ilhan Omar's and Ro Khanna's certainly weren't. You or I could have literally won them as long as we had the (D) after our name.

[LongtimeAZDem]

62. I bolded the three that were; I went by the presence of primary challengers

Regardless, three out of sixty-eight is pretty dismal.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

122. I like Ilhan Omar but the reality is that any Democrat with a pulse would've won MN CD-5.

[namahage]

153. And Ayanna Pressley ran unopposed in the general. n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

98. Biden is not my least favorite candidate...he's currently 9th on my winnowed down Top-10 list.

So that puts him smack dab in the middle of the pack. But, if the question is "Can Joe win?" against tRumpty Dumbty, I do think so... LOL, a neophyte candidate could trounce that POS!!

I just think there are more than a few Democratic primary candidates with a more impressive progressive record and agenda, who would have a much better chance than Joe of defeating the Traitor-in-Chief.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[George II]

112. whittled

[yaesu]

27. maybe

[LovingA2andMI]

28. Interesting view...

Don't believe it, but interesting view on a Bernie supporter behalf.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. If Charlie Manson rose from the grave he would be competitive against Trump.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

106. If the election came down to those two, I'd certainly vote for Charles Manson if he were still alive

simply because Manson seems sane compared to tRumpty Dumbty.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[wasupaloopa]

33. Well I am not impressed considering the source.

You will never close the gap and you will never make it passed March. 2020

[slingsam]

34. You're really afraid......of Biden, aren't you?

There's something to this...….these fuckers......and DRumpf…..are really afraid of Biden......I think

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. Trump is going to get 62% of the popular vote and win 49% states?

By the time Trump and Rahm Emanuel Democrats get done alienating progressive and liberals, it will be the most crushing defeat since George McGovern in 1972

Red New York?
Red Massachusetts?
Red California?
Red New Jersey?
Red Delaware?
Red Maryland?
Red Illinois?
Red Washington?
Red Hawaii?
Red Oregon?
Red Vermont?
Red Rhode Island?
Red Virginia?
Red New Mexico?
Red Colorado?
Red Nevada?

...

P.S. I could literally take every Democratic representative and senator, put them in a bowl, pick one at random, and he or she would be competitive with Trump

[corbettkroehler]

155. I Support Sanders But Am Forced To Concur

Sanders would be the better choice by far but to assert that Biden would be a sure loser in the general is flat out wrong. Your P.S. cites the reason.

[jalan48]

38. I have the same feeling about Biden. Times have changed and we're running someone who

wants to go back to a normal that has been disastrous for working people and the environment.

[SidDithers]

43. Why so salty?...

Sid

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. ...

[Autumn]

51. Kick because of the ridiculous Sanders thread...nt

[gtar100]

52. Yes, I wish people here didn't feel so obligated to bash Sanders.

I don't agree with anyone 100% but I damn well know an ally when I hear one. And Sanders is an ally.

Not that anyone will heed my warning but getting too attached to a candidate can lead to some rather bitter pills to swallow post primary. I would prefer ranking, rather than this pick-a-winner, winner-takes-all system we all tend to gravitate towards.

[ecstatic]

55. Here we go with the "corporate" label again.

Will young people vote for a man who, at almost 50 years old, was driving around town with a camera, creeping out little kids? Or discussing cocaine with 5 year olds? Or over-sharing with the public on how disorganized and sloppy his personal life was? I don't think so.

[msongs]

58. in 2016 the democrat got about 3 MILLION more votes than trump - just in the wrong areas nt

[kozar]

61. it is time that

I say something that has in my head for close to 3 years now and I have kept quiet,because I know it will upset some people. Rest assured I am simply making an observation based on my near 60 years among the living. On to my 2 points and what scares me.

Firstly, I refuse to believe that we will not win this election, therefore we all know this country is going to be a mess. This is why I am leaning Biden/Harris ticket as I stated months ago. Biden has intimate knowledge of 8 years IN the House that no one else has, and can also mentor/Train Sen. Harris for her turn in 4 years as I think Biden would do one term.

This segues into my main point that we may or may not want to accept. Simply, we know that The R base are scumbags,snakes,,add any adjective you wish. We cant fix them, it is the next 20% just above these mouth breathers that worry me, if we run,Sen Warren, or Senator Harris, or any of the qualified female runners. These folks are a lot closer to the swamp than being able to admit that they could/would vote for a female. My feelings are that there could be millions of votes lost there instantly. I could even argue to an open mind that those same votes cost Sec. Clinton enough votes to totally blow away the idiot and not even make it possible to meddle.
Most of our fellow citizens are followers and just as they shrug and get "used" to the knuckle draggin Neanderthal that is there now, during the 4 years of VP Harris,, the country would be baby stepped into the sensible world. The one thing I have seen in elections that I believe is Americans have never really followed the unknown in an election,,unless there was a known idea in their head they hated worse than the unknown.
I do believe it could happen again this way,,a lot of voters who hate trump and my vote Biden given teh points I laid out, ar ea very short brain wave away from I wont ever vote for a woman.

In short, we MUST win this election for the sake of our country and need to look at all sides of equations, even those outside our hearts and comfort zones.

Koz

[emmaverybo]

63. If we can argue, then your proposition is probably not true, at least no more true than our

challenge to it.
No one in the running is not electable, no one 100 per cent a shoe-in.
Biden’s candidacy has some features that make for “electability,” but these are only predisposing now; an argument can be made that, in Biden’s case, the issue is more one of popular perception at this stage.
You shouldn’t worry so much that Biden dims your favored candidates’ prospects.
He has not won the primary yet, and they have not lost.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

67. That's very good. It's practically poetic.

[emmaverybo]

71. I do know my line breaks...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

88. Three questions

What do you think about the seminal poster's suggestion that Joe Biden is going to lose 49 states and get less than 38% of the vote?

Does that sound plausible to you?


Does it sound like the utterances of a fantasist?

[emmaverybo]

96. Sounds like a fan with a true crush. Love is blind. I was getting stuck too, but trying to let go

cause like they say, in politics a week is... well, you get me.

[Jarqui]

69. I don't buy that for a second

In the polls, which haven't finished bouncing upwards for Biden at the state level, he's the strongest candidate the Democrats have against Trump.

Biden does currently benefit from being known the best. The other candidates will reel him in some.

We have a bunch of debates and nine months of campaigning before the primaries so it is too early to call anything.

My bigger concern is whether we're getting sucked into preparing to beat Trump and the GOP pull the plug on him and bring in another candidate who matches up better. I feel like we might be in a political rope-a-dope except the GOP get to switch fighters in the later rounds.

[emmaverybo]

76. They won't. Trump's MAGAS, potential domestic terrorists, neo-Nazis, and generalist haters

have filled their dwindling tent. He revived em. He’s saved ‘me from near-extinction. Honestly, they
can’t afford to lose him.
And Russia told him where they buried the bodies so...

[GP6971]

73. I don't agree. n/t

[emmaverybo]

77. Damn that was good.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

74. Barack Obama thought Joe Biden would be a good president and that's good enough for me.

[IADEMO2004]

78. Go back to the abyss!

[Hassler]

79. Bernie is unelectable.

[redstateblues]

84. Totally

[PatSeg]

81. "We need to be totally united to beat them"???

So you think Bernie is the one to unit the Democratic party?

I think Biden is very likely to unit the party.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

82. This is who we are now. We are cautious and a no waves

Evidence...that there is not a groundswell..a march in the streets moment. We have not stood up for what is right. Mueller handed it to us on a silver platter and we did nothing. We have center leaders who mean well, but are cautious and don't want to ruffle feathers and have 1980 ideas about justice in a 2019 media world led by the devil.. Being outplayed every day by an evil manipulator.

How can we possibly ask people to vote for Sanders or Warren or anyone who leans left?

[Hoyt]

93. So-called "progressives" gonna vote for trump, Stein or stay home again?

Sorry, Bill, that’s the junk that got us here, and it’s clearly regressive.

[George II]

97. Oh, if only half of your attacks on Biden's positions were true....

Instead of tearing down a candidate why not say something good about your preference?

These characterizations are disgusting to me, to quote you:

"Corporate owned Democrat"
"Rahm Emanuel Democrats"
"Walmart Democrats"
"Lesser of two evils"

Then you go on to say "We need to be totally united to beat them"? Nice "unity"!

By the way, if you're going to make statements like "it will be the most crushing defeat since George McGovern in 1972", you might want to check your history. Even George McGovern wasn't "it will be the most crushing defeat since George McGovern in 1972".

[Collimator]

101. Dear OP. . .

Your first thesis statement includes the words, "I believe", while your second statement "graciously" permits others to disagree, while simultaneously informing us that the "truth" has already been decided.

You have a right to express your opinions. You have a responsibility to support your point of view with facts and reasoning. However, the way you have framed your perspective in your thread title sounds a little imperious.

You may be correct in your assessment of Biden's chances of getting elected, or you may not be. The simple fact is that no one knows the future and you have, thus far, not demonstrated that your analysis is superior to that of many who may disagree with you.

[NBachers]

108. Sorry, I prefer candidates whose supporters DID NOT boo Elijah Cummings and Hillary Clinton.

[EveHammond13]

111. Amen to that

[John Fante]

130. I also prefer candidates who don't fill their staff with Jill Stein voters.

As Democrats, we should take that as a slap in the face, because it is.

[EveHammond13]

109. ugh

[left-of-center2012]

114. Thanks for the laugh

[Vogon_Glory]

118. I Think Joe Will Do As Well As Hillary Or Better

Joe Biden might seem like a Bolshevik to the MAGA Magoos or a race-mixer to the Trump-loving white supremacist bigots, but he not only represents our values and he also signals a return to sanity, something I think would not only hearten our now-aroused and angry base but also enough of the folks who were bamboozled by Donnie to get Team Donkey over the finish line.


Bless Bernie Sanders, but his appeal seems to center around idealistic young pale-faces of the sorts who lacked enough political maturity to stand against Donnie last time around and instead took their marbles and went home instead of voting.

Bless Bernie Sanders, God love him, but he seems to do better in small whitebread states than in the multi-racial lelectoral vote-rich states that could sink Orange Julius.

[Doodley]

124. Biden is winning by a mile. Deal with it.

[rusty quoin]

128. For now, but it's early. You have to admit that.

[Doodley]

131. Democrats are coalescing around Biden. They know him. They trust him. They see he's a heavy hitter.

None of that will change.

[Honeycombe8]

137. I don't support any of them (yet), but you have to admit that Biden is FAR FAR ahead.

I don't think there's been a candidate this far ahead of the pack this early, who hasn't won the nomination.

He's not just ahead. You have to combine almost all the poll votes for all the others to get the numbers that Biden has.

It's name recognition, and the feeling of going back to normalcy, I think. Biden. Like a comfortable shoe. The others can't compete with that.

This is not an issues election. This is a personality and experience and can-beat-Trump election. He's the only one who people think has a serious chance, or is likely to win.

I wish there were someone else. But I don't see any of the others having a better chance of beating Trump. But I'm not sure Biden can, either. I just don't know.

[Honeycombe8]

132. I don't support Biden. But I don't see anyone who can for sure win.

I don't have a crystal ball. I don't care for Biden much. Even I, a standard liberal who is not on the far left, thinks Biden is back to the same ol' same ol'. Too prior generation. Too stuck in the old time ways.

But honestly, the others aren't better. There are issues with them all.

Independents and conservative Democrats will NOT vote for Sanders. His name is synonymous with socialism, rightly or wrongly. They may not vote for Trump, but they may stay home or vote third party.

The others aren't well known and so far haven't stood out in the crowd enough.

I just don't know. I was hoping for a strong leader-type of governor, but one did not appear. Inslee is a gov., but the way he relates is lackluster, so far.

But Biden seems to be the one that most voters are going for. He's the only well known one among for most people. So...I don't know. You'd think out of 20-something candidates, there would be one charismatic standout. So far, there's not.

[iluvtennis]

134. Some folks really need to grow up, THERE IS NO PERFECT CANDIDATE that meets all of

their requirements - that's an illusion. You gotta bite the bullet and vote for the Democrat party candidate - not the Independent party candidate, not the Green party candidate, not the Peace & Freedom party candidate, etc.

Again, there is no perfect candidate.

[NYMinute]

135. Consolation post

[emmaverybo]

152. Beautiful. Looks like a harlequin Great Dane

[stonecutter357]

140. Cool Story, Bro , !

[quickesst]

141. no point in arguing for one simple reason.

You're wrong.

[33taw]

142. I prefer promoting a candidate vs trashing others.

This attitude pushes me farther from Bernie.

[DoctorJoJo]

143. If The Bern Doesn't Make It This Time, He Still Has a Couple of Tries Left Before Age 100!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

144. The electorate was 90% white in 1972.

By the time Trump and Rahm Emanuel Democrats get done alienating progressive and liberals, it will be the most crushing defeat since George McGovern in 1972.

It will be approximately 68% white in 2020. Even George McGovern wouldn't be George McGovern with 2020 demographics.


Please.Read.A.Book.

[Indykatie]

145. Sanders' Supporters Have No Idea How Much Bernie is Loathed by Many Dems

It's takes nerve to preach to Dems about needing to have a unified front to beat Trump in 2020. Too bad Bernie and his supporters didn't realize that in 2016.

[Pepsidog]

148. This guy Bullock looks interesting.

[RelativelyJones]

149. Well that settles it then.

[secondwind]

150. I didn't think Trump was electable.

Look where we are now. I really think that there are many folks who voted for this jackass the first time, but will not vote for him again.

[emmaverybo]

151. "You Can Argue," a poem:

You Can Argue

You can argue
but it’s true
You can argue
‘’til Your face turns blue

O, you can argue
Please do!
But the point is still
It’s all true.

So argue away and then some
Argue ‘til the cows come home
But it’s true
Nothing you can do
You can argue, but it’s still true.

[crazytown]

154. McGovern was wiped out 'cause he was a Establishment Corporate ConservaDem

You know, “Acid, Amnesty, and Abortion”, that kinda stuff

[LiberalLovinLug]

158. Words of wisdom

Many will make the exact same mistake and back the most popular Democrat, amongst Democrats, blissfully projecting that onto a sure win in 2020. They do this by assuming two things, how little yet another corporate catering, third way, foreign interventionist, moderate (meaning status quo) will appeal to the ones on the left, that feel they already came so close with Sanders last time, and after the promise of AOC and this new energy pumped into the party by younger more left reps, there was an expectation of a real shift forward, progress from a party that calls itself progressive. Biden represents stability, status quo, but meanwhile the wealthy get wealthier and monopolies grow larger, net neutrality disappears, the poor get angrier.

We need a candidate that can 1. get people excited with new ideas, and 2. find support amongst Independents and other undecided. Which would be Sanders or Gabbard. Possibly Warren.

This election primary will be a battle of the right and the left, the past and the future, and more importantly, if we think we can win by,

A. Nominating the most popular, perfect, boy or girl in the class. Because we just know that once everyone in the school gets to see them, they'll all fall in love too.

...this way also must count on the votes of the outcasts, the goths, or whomever, in the same class to support the class decision. And we will need ALL of these to win because we can't count on anyone outside our class to vote the same.

B. Nominate who is only the most popular if you add all the ones in your class that will vote, even holding their noses, together with the votes from the other classes where they are popular with a small minority in each.

....this way we count on those independents and no-Trumpers to not hate, and maybe even vote for our candidate enough to put them over the top. And we win that way.


Its a gamble either way. It will be interesting to see what is finally decided. I think its time for a change, America is open to it. and I'm not convinced that another establishment candidate, who will be tarred with anything Clinton or Obama by Fox, GOP, and even an impatient young left base, would be the best decision.