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I commented on this yesterday... brooklynite Mar 2019 #1
I must admit that I thought the same as Tom Watson TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #2
Surveys indicate that African American voters are generally closer to the center than many assume. RandySF Mar 2019 #35
For one thing, not a lot of them are attracted to the brand of socialism. nt pnwmom Mar 2019 #44
Someone tweeted the demographics of Chicago in response to that tweet - 45% white, 33% black. George II Mar 2019 #3
If they're given the message to support the eventual Democratic nominee, oasis Mar 2019 #4
+1 California_Republic Mar 2019 #5
This photo looks off. Why are a bunch of the faces out of focus and blurred out? nt Quixote1818 Mar 2019 #6
It's obvious why the faces are blurred out. Autumn Mar 2019 #8
I don't think that photo is of the actual rally in Chicago because the one in the news Quixote1818 Mar 2019 #9
It's not. I watched a bit of the video, one photo was from yesterday in Brooklyn Autumn Mar 2019 #12
I think you are right, it was Brooklin but this article has lots of shots from Navy Pier in Chicago Quixote1818 Mar 2019 #13
So does this one Autumn Mar 2019 #14
Thanks! nt Quixote1818 Mar 2019 #15
That Watson dude is a real piece of work. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #28
The video here has plenty of people of color and it doesn't look at all like the venue in the photo Quixote1818 Mar 2019 #7
not that i know of. mopinko Mar 2019 #10
That photo in that video was from yesterday. There were plenty of POC in Chicago. Autumn Mar 2019 #11
Wasn't Saturday's rally in Washington Square Park? ucrdem Mar 2019 #21
I saw maybe three POC. Blue_true Mar 2019 #16
Maybe you should look above at the photos Autumn posted? nt Quixote1818 Mar 2019 #17
Did Tom Watson also crop the video? TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #37
'Bernie Sanders focuses on race in Chicago rally' Eric J in MN Mar 2019 #19
A video of the Bernie Sanders rally in Chicago Eric J in MN Mar 2019 #18
Thank you. Eric. The Bernie hatred here is palpable. The video clearly shows a diverse crowd. CentralMass Mar 2019 #23
There are nothing close to 13,000 people in that auditorium. ucrdem Mar 2019 #20
different angle dogman Mar 2019 #22
Okay the room looks bigger, but it also looks like the audience is sitting on folding chairs ucrdem Mar 2019 #24
"13,000"? I thought that was Cha Mar 2019 #25
There was similar turnout in Brooklyn and Chicago. NT Eric J in MN Mar 2019 #26
heya Cha! ucrdem Mar 2019 #27
It wasn't only your impression Cha Mar 2019 #31
Nice crowd!!! ALBliberal Mar 2019 #29
Posted on twitter by one trash account with 143 retweets melman Mar 2019 #30
Your definition of trash account Yosemito Mar 2019 #32
Nope melman Mar 2019 #33
Exactly.. and Tom Watson definitely Cha Mar 2019 #36
I think it's Tom Waston that needs to look in a mirror melman Mar 2019 #39
His name is Tom Watson and I know what he Cha Mar 2019 #41
Oh, melman. betsuni Mar 2019 #42
Missed the point entirely melman Mar 2019 #43
What's the point? betsuni Mar 2019 #45
I keep watching all this trashing of potential nominees and I am not airmid Mar 2019 #34
The Bernie bashing here is almost pathological. Mr. Smith Mar 2019 #38
BS has done nothing but trash My Cha Mar 2019 #40
+1 LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #47
So if the photo and tweet aren't true can the OP please take it down? mucifer Mar 2019 #46
783 "likes" is not viral... brooklynite Mar 2019 #48
 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
1. I commented on this yesterday...
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 11:23 PM
Mar 2019

Some people dispute my assertion, but having stood in the crowd for four hours, I can say that the crowd was predominantly white.

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TexasTowelie

(126,921 posts)
2. I must admit that I thought the same as Tom Watson
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 11:25 PM
Mar 2019

when the video of the rally was posted. I advanced the video several times to watch the crowd walk into the main area and to get additional camera angles, but I did not see much diversity except when the choir was in the bleachers.

I don't know why Bernie couldn't attract a more diverse crowd in Chicago.

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RandySF

(83,413 posts)
35. Surveys indicate that African American voters are generally closer to the center than many assume.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 04:19 AM
Mar 2019
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pnwmom

(110,246 posts)
44. For one thing, not a lot of them are attracted to the brand of socialism. nt
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:44 AM
Mar 2019
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George II

(67,782 posts)
3. Someone tweeted the demographics of Chicago in response to that tweet - 45% white, 33% black.
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 11:30 PM
Mar 2019

I've been following Tom Watson for quite a while, he's pretty funny AND on the mark, as are his other followers.

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oasis

(53,576 posts)
4. If they're given the message to support the eventual Democratic nominee,
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 12:08 AM
Mar 2019

I don't much care what the crowd looks like.

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Quixote1818

(31,154 posts)
6. This photo looks off. Why are a bunch of the faces out of focus and blurred out? nt
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 12:22 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Autumn

(48,936 posts)
8. It's obvious why the faces are blurred out.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 12:41 AM
Mar 2019

There's a narrative that picture has to fit. This Watson guy cropped the wide angle picture and blurred the faces. He's going to make it fit his narrative one way or the other.


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Quixote1818

(31,154 posts)
9. I don't think that photo is of the actual rally in Chicago because the one in the news
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 12:45 AM
Mar 2019
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Autumn

(48,936 posts)
12. It's not. I watched a bit of the video, one photo was from yesterday in Brooklyn
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 12:52 AM
Mar 2019

and the next was from another, then I closed it. The one in the OP is cropped and faces are deliberately blurred, Bernie's feed had the wide angle view. This Tom Watson should remove the word journalist from his so called bio on Twitter.


Here's some good pics.


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Quixote1818

(31,154 posts)
13. I think you are right, it was Brooklin but this article has lots of shots from Navy Pier in Chicago
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 12:58 AM
Mar 2019
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Autumn

(48,936 posts)
14. So does this one
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 12:59 AM
Mar 2019
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Quixote1818

(31,154 posts)
15. Thanks! nt
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:01 AM
Mar 2019
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Hassin Bin Sober

(27,448 posts)
28. That Watson dude is a real piece of work.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:41 AM
Mar 2019

When I see the lies trump tells his followers I know he knows his fans are just that stupid. Trump has no respect for his audience.

What is it that makes that phony “journalist” post doctored and misleading pics on twitter? Hmm.

His bio says he’s a consultant. Pathetic.

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Quixote1818

(31,154 posts)
7. The video here has plenty of people of color and it doesn't look at all like the venue in the photo
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 12:27 AM
Mar 2019
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mopinko

(73,606 posts)
10. not that i know of.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 12:45 AM
Mar 2019

that video is from the kick off. navy pier is indoors.

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Autumn

(48,936 posts)
11. That photo in that video was from yesterday. There were plenty of POC in Chicago.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 12:46 AM
Mar 2019
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ucrdem

(15,720 posts)
21. Wasn't Saturday's rally in Washington Square Park?
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:50 AM
Mar 2019

This must be Chicago.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
16. I saw maybe three POC.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:04 AM
Mar 2019

This is what will defeat Bernie, he is making absolutely NO effort to connect deeply with the democratic party's real base, regardless of what his defenders here trot out.

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Quixote1818

(31,154 posts)
17. Maybe you should look above at the photos Autumn posted? nt
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:07 AM
Mar 2019
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TexasTowelie

(126,921 posts)
37. Did Tom Watson also crop the video?
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 04:59 AM
Mar 2019

I kept looking at the video of the people walking into the building and past the cordon ropes into the area in front of the stage. The area in front of the stage was about half-full and I wouldn't say that it was a diverse crowd. The crowd that walked right near the camera wasn't diverse either.

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Eric J in MN

(35,636 posts)
19. 'Bernie Sanders focuses on race in Chicago rally'
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:45 AM
Mar 2019

Sanders, who in February announced his second White House bid, spoke of his time in the Windy City as a young transfer student at the University of Chicago in the 1960s and his involvement in the civil rights, labor, and peace movements. In particular, he emphasized his work pushing for desegregated student housing on campus and an integrated public school system.

"The reason I tell you all of this is because my activities here in Chicago taught me a very important lesson that I have never forgotten," he said at Chicago's Navy Pier. "And that is that whether it is the struggle against corporate greed, against racism, sexism, homophobia, environmental devastation, or war and militarism — real change never takes place from the top on down."

He also invoked the names of African-Americans killed in police shootings as he talked about the need to "speak out against the disparity within the disparity."

Sanders' call to "end the institutional racism which permeates almost every aspect of our society" comes after he spent Sunday morning in Selma, Ala., commemorating the 54th anniversary of Bloody Sunday.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/bernie-sanders-focuses-on-race-in-chicago-rally

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Eric J in MN

(35,636 posts)
18. A video of the Bernie Sanders rally in Chicago
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:36 AM
Mar 2019
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CentralMass

(16,944 posts)
23. Thank you. Eric. The Bernie hatred here is palpable. The video clearly shows a diverse crowd.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:15 AM
Mar 2019
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ucrdem

(15,720 posts)
20. There are nothing close to 13,000 people in that auditorium.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:48 AM
Mar 2019

I'd guestimate 600, maybe 800. I do see young faces, but huge and diverse it isn't.

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dogman

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22. different angle
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:13 AM
Mar 2019
:large
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ucrdem

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24. Okay the room looks bigger, but it also looks like the audience is sitting on folding chairs
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:24 AM
Mar 2019

That spreads them out more than if they were standing. But I'll admit it could be close to 1,000 from that pic.

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Cha

(318,563 posts)
25. "13,000"? I thought that was
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:24 AM
Mar 2019

the number purported in Brooklyn?

ucr

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Eric J in MN

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26. There was similar turnout in Brooklyn and Chicago. NT
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:26 AM
Mar 2019

NT

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ucrdem

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27. heya Cha!
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:31 AM
Mar 2019

Yes, I was going on the statement above that the pic was actually from Brooklyn, but now I realize that it has to be from Chicago, as Brooklyn's rally on Saturday was in a park.

And though I didn't want to say anything negative yesterday, I've been to WS Park, and 13,000 struck me as wildly improbable. But that's just my impression!




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Cha

(318,563 posts)
31. It wasn't only your impression
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 03:52 AM
Mar 2019

that "13,000" was hyperbole.

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ALBliberal

(3,315 posts)
29. Nice crowd!!!
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:49 AM
Mar 2019

Good to see such enthusiasm this early in the primaries! Way to go dems!!!

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melman

(7,681 posts)
30. Posted on twitter by one trash account with 143 retweets
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 03:20 AM
Mar 2019

is not going viral. FAIL

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Yosemito

(648 posts)
32. Your definition of trash account
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 04:04 AM
Mar 2019

Someone who doesn't like Bernie.

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melman

(7,681 posts)
33. Nope
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 04:08 AM
Mar 2019

Watson is trash. I don't care if someone doesn't like Bernie as long as they're coming from an honest place. He is not.

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Cha

(318,563 posts)
36. Exactly.. and Tom Watson definitely
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 04:53 AM
Mar 2019

calls out BS. But, he doesn't come off as a hardass like this guy who needs to look in the damn mirror..



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melman

(7,681 posts)
39. I think it's Tom Waston that needs to look in a mirror
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:18 AM
Mar 2019

Maybe if he does he'll realize how ridiculous it is to be tweeting about "that's a lot of white folks"


when he fucking looks like this.

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Cha

(318,563 posts)
41. His name is Tom Watson and I know what he
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:30 AM
Mar 2019

looks like.

Too bad you don't like him pointing out the obvious.

He's not the only one on twitter pointing it out.

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betsuni

(28,997 posts)
42. Oh, melman.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:35 AM
Mar 2019

It's ridiculous for a white person to notice and point out that a crowd is mostly white? Why? I do it all the time -- yesterday when I saw a documentary about the rock band Queen, and almost every time I see an American baseball game on TV.

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melman

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43. Missed the point entirely
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:41 AM
Mar 2019

Ask me if I'm shocked.

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betsuni

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45. What's the point?
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:44 AM
Mar 2019

Maybe the confusion over "a lot" and "all"?

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airmid

(526 posts)
34. I keep watching all this trashing of potential nominees and I am not
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 04:10 AM
Mar 2019

going to do that to any of the nominees. Do I favor one or two? You bet. But I to refuse belittle and demean them as one of these people will be the Dem nominee and I will work hard for them in every way I possibly can. Any of them are fine with me because the alternative is four more yrs of the Fredo Crime Family and I don't think our country can survive that.

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Mr. Smith

(65 posts)
38. The Bernie bashing here is almost pathological.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:10 AM
Mar 2019

The Bernie hatred just really energizes a certain crowd. You can count on them to show up in any Bernie-related thread, trash him as best they can, congratulate each other, for doing so, and then blithely complain about divisiveness. It's one of the most unfortunate and unhelpful aspects of this forum.

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Cha

(318,563 posts)
40. BS has done nothing but trash My
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:29 AM
Mar 2019

Democratic party. Too bad he's getting pushback.

If BS had never trashed the Dem party.. this wouldn't be happening.

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mucifer

(25,647 posts)
46. So if the photo and tweet aren't true can the OP please take it down?
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 06:57 AM
Mar 2019
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brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
48. 783 "likes" is not viral...
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 07:45 AM
Mar 2019
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