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"As president, I would re-enter the Iran nuclear deal," - Tulsi Gabbard (Original Post) JonLP24 May 2019 OP
The clock just stopped again... hlthe2b May 2019 #1
Sounds about right. we can do it May 2019 #3
I agree with her more often than not JonLP24 May 2019 #4
Gives cover to Assad's attrocities and by extension serves Putin/defends Trump. NO WAY hlthe2b May 2019 #5
Is Trump pulling us out of Syria? JonLP24 May 2019 #6
She's a Democratic elected official. femmedem May 2019 #8
Like she constantly bashed Obama for years? hmmm. hlthe2b May 2019 #9
This is the candidate you are defending as worthy of the same "respect" as all others... hlthe2b May 2019 #22
I wasn't defending Gabbard. I was defending DU's TOS. femmedem May 2019 #23
DU has created this forum to allow us to DISCUSS and CRITIQUE candidates. That's what we are doing hlthe2b May 2019 #25
What Democrat out there wouldn't? W_HAMILTON May 2019 #2
Exactly! VarryOn May 2019 #7
+1 dalton99a May 2019 #10
There were Democrats who were against the agreement. watoos May 2019 #12
First of all, I believe that she and mayor Pete watoos May 2019 #11
+1 JonLP24 May 2019 #13
Seth Moulton is a Marine Officer Vet. I think he was a Captain or Major. Blue_true May 2019 #16
You're not going to get to enter the Iran deal as if we never left it... cynatnite May 2019 #14
So no deal? JonLP24 May 2019 #15
Not what I said at all... cynatnite May 2019 #17
They probably realize we have Republican Presidents with different foreign policy JonLP24 May 2019 #19
True... cynatnite May 2019 #20
Saudi Arabia's wahabbi ideology is much worse JonLP24 May 2019 #21
Well good. mahina May 2019 #18
Hope lies eternal in the hearts of people LibFarmer May 2019 #24
I'll give her credit for this. NBachers May 2019 #26
 

hlthe2b

(102,217 posts)
1. The clock just stopped again...
Fri May 17, 2019, 07:05 PM
May 2019

What, is she 2 for a million now?

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we can do it

(12,180 posts)
3. Sounds about right.
Fri May 17, 2019, 07:10 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
4. I agree with her more often than not
Fri May 17, 2019, 07:17 PM
May 2019

wants to keep us out of the proto world war in Syria, end the war in Yemen as well as Afghanistan. Need to have an exit strategy and go back to peace. Not go to war with Venezuela or Iran. She is right when it comes to Saudi Arabia & wahabbism unlike the current & past Presidents.

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hlthe2b

(102,217 posts)
5. Gives cover to Assad's attrocities and by extension serves Putin/defends Trump. NO WAY
Fri May 17, 2019, 07:19 PM
May 2019
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JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
6. Is Trump pulling us out of Syria?
Fri May 17, 2019, 07:25 PM
May 2019

It is right to question initial claims after WMD but she acknowledged the chemical attacks. Syria is a proxy war with all sorts of different countries with ISIS mixed in. That is just an unwinnable war. This isn't about Putin about the costs of war. The US & all the past & current Presidents have supported Saudi Arabia & sold weapons bombing Yemen -- the Trump administration uses Houthis who are religious minority Saudi Arabia hates but because Iran helps them that justifies "tensions". How they got too close to us or maybe we are too close to IRan.

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femmedem

(8,201 posts)
8. She's a Democratic elected official.
Fri May 17, 2019, 07:36 PM
May 2019

I'm disappointed to see any of our Democratic elected officials bashed to this extent.
To criticize a particular policy is one thing. This isn't constructive criticism.

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hlthe2b

(102,217 posts)
9. Like she constantly bashed Obama for years? hmmm.
Fri May 17, 2019, 07:46 PM
May 2019

I am discussing her policies which are largely problematic-- at a minimum.

She has a very disturbing record if you review it thoroughly, which is why her Hawaiian constituents won't reelect her.

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hlthe2b

(102,217 posts)
22. This is the candidate you are defending as worthy of the same "respect" as all others...
Sat May 18, 2019, 07:47 AM
May 2019
Any surprise her campaign is being promoted by Russian bots?











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femmedem

(8,201 posts)
23. I wasn't defending Gabbard. I was defending DU's TOS.
Sat May 18, 2019, 09:27 AM
May 2019

She's near the bottom of my list of preferred candidates, and has been all along.

But she is an elected official, part of our Democratic coalition. To critique individual votes and statements is fine, IMO, but to say she's right twice every million times is extreme and counter productive, IMO.

And I will defend her on domestic issues. She has voted to protect public land and water, she's for universal background checks for gun purchases, she voted against border wall funding, she has a 96% lifetime score from League of Conservation Voters, she's for criminal justice reform. On domestic issues and as part of our Democratic majority, she's a valuable member of Congress.

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hlthe2b

(102,217 posts)
25. DU has created this forum to allow us to DISCUSS and CRITIQUE candidates. That's what we are doing
Sat May 18, 2019, 09:44 AM
May 2019

If you don't like it, alert on me. But, I doubt too many other DUers will agree that my (and others) pointing out her abusive attacks on Obama, her defense of Trump and Putin--based on her OWN TWEETS AND published MSM articles, is an unfair "attack" on her. I believe most DUers have read what Skinner intended with creation of this forum and the TOS--that are fully consistent with what I and others have been posting, but feel free to test the system and in so doing, push your own views, if you so desire. I have faith in the good sense and ability to differentiate on the part of my DU colleagues.

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W_HAMILTON

(7,859 posts)
2. What Democrat out there wouldn't?
Fri May 17, 2019, 07:07 PM
May 2019
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VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
7. Exactly!
Fri May 17, 2019, 07:27 PM
May 2019

It needs to be modified in whatever way makes it a treaty (if that's even necessary) and put before the new Democratic Senate for ratification. Then, it would be harder to undo in the future.

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watoos

(7,142 posts)
12. There were Democrats who were against the agreement.
Fri May 17, 2019, 08:02 PM
May 2019

Didn't Chuck Schumer vote against it? Menendez?

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watoos

(7,142 posts)
11. First of all, I believe that she and mayor Pete
Fri May 17, 2019, 08:00 PM
May 2019

are the only candidates who are veterans. There may be more now that we have so many but I don't think so.

I remember history and I'm 71 years old, many here must have forgotten that Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Bolton used the argument that Saddam was a brutal dictator and he needed to be ousted. How well did that work out ousting the brutal dictator Saddam Hussein? We only had 1 lone Democrat in the House vote no to authorize military action in Iraq, Barbara Lee. When she voted no she was bashed pretty bad, she was called unpatriotic.

We have the near exact same situation in Syria where the call is being made to oust Assad, another brutal dictator. If we oust Assad what makes anyone think that the situation will turn out differently than Iraq?

Tulsi served our country, even volunteered to go to Iraq when she didn't have to. I don't call her names, I thank her for her service.

She is one of our candidates who is tough as nails, and that is what it is going to take to take on Trump. Trump won't win a fight with Tulsi.

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JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
13. +1
Fri May 17, 2019, 08:22 PM
May 2019

I agree 100%.

On edit - I think Barbara Lee was the only one to vote against the Afghanistan war.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
16. Seth Moulton is a Marine Officer Vet. I think he was a Captain or Major.
Fri May 17, 2019, 08:36 PM
May 2019

Tulsi was a Captain in the Army.

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cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
14. You're not going to get to enter the Iran deal as if we never left it...
Fri May 17, 2019, 08:24 PM
May 2019

Iran will have the upper hand and there will be zero trust that the US will uphold it's end.

Let's be smarter than this, please.

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JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
15. So no deal?
Fri May 17, 2019, 08:35 PM
May 2019

It doesn't matter if Iran has the upper hand is the US sanctions them anyway and Saudi Arabia already has the upper hand on us she is smarter about this.

Sanders was called a Russian agent over his vote against Russia/Iran sanctions but he was trying to the save the deal now the position is to forget the deal and go back to sanctions?

On Thursday afternoon, Senator Bernie Sanders voted against legislation to put new sanctions on both Russia and Iran. He voted for a Russia-only sanctions bill, but opposed the final bill’s inclusion of new sanctions on Iran because, like John Kerry, he feared it would endanger the 2015 nuclear deal.

https://www.thenation.com/article/bernie-sanders-is-a-russian-agent-and-other-things-i-learned-this-week/

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cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
17. Not what I said at all...
Fri May 17, 2019, 08:39 PM
May 2019

I should have clarified better.

The US and Iran will have to start over from scratch.

Not only that, the Iran deal has other nations involved as well. Plus, she forgot that Iran left the deal as well.

There will have to be a brand new deal, but signers might be hesitant because the US withdrew when the office changed hands.

Who would want to deal with a country that does a turnabout whenever there's an election?

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JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
19. They probably realize we have Republican Presidents with different foreign policy
Fri May 17, 2019, 08:44 PM
May 2019

I don't know but they could start there. The people of Iran are smart enough to know our country is run by rich people so have no issues with American people hopefully their leaders are smarter. Iran mostly assists in wars (never directly threatening the US those boats that raised alarms wasn't near Florida) while Saudi Arabia exported terrorism for decades and they are our allies. Even neocon logic breaks down "we don't attack allies" after giving a list of bad things about Iran.

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cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
20. True...
Fri May 17, 2019, 08:54 PM
May 2019

I hate the theocracy in Iran and how it treats gays and women.

But I don't think they're the big evil like the neocons and other RW types like to push. Iran's always been all talk for the most part.

We can do better than this.

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JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
21. Saudi Arabia's wahabbi ideology is much worse
Fri May 17, 2019, 09:07 PM
May 2019

at least Iran has divorce & some rights. Agree about the theocracy. A lot of countries haven't experienced a sexual revolution like the US has.

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LibFarmer

(772 posts)
24. Hope lies eternal in the hearts of people
Sat May 18, 2019, 09:39 AM
May 2019

who don't appreciate the futility of their ambition.

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NBachers

(17,098 posts)
26. I'll give her credit for this.
Sat May 18, 2019, 12:02 PM
May 2019
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