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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
Fri May 17, 2019, 09:25 PM May 2019

At this time years ago Lieberman was leading one year and Bill Clinton was at 6% another.

Just saying. It's probably smart that 40% of DUers are waiting for more info. I've signed on for Buttigieg because I want him to make a strong showing as a trail blazer, but I don't really think he'll win the nomination.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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At this time years ago Lieberman was leading one year and Bill Clinton was at 6% another. (Original Post) LAS14 May 2019 OP
I'm surprised in those years that a field had even formed at this point. NT SouthernProgressive May 2019 #1
You're probably right about Mayor Pete, but, I still wish him the best of luck. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #2
Last election... cannabis_flower May 2019 #3
Just looked and I don't think Clinton announced until Oct 1992.. SouthernProgressive May 2019 #4
LOL. I believe the only election where Joe LIeberman ran for President was 2004 still_one May 2019 #11
In neither case were there 22 candidates... TwilightZone May 2019 #5
Well, the fact that we haven't even had our first debate yet is still relevant kcr May 2019 #7
there's a lot more than two cases shanny May 2019 #10
Okay Maru Kitteh May 2019 #6
Also, Clinton was a former governor (or maybe still governor) of Arkansas. Pete is great but CTyankee May 2019 #8
Hillary was the consistent frontrunner at this time in 2007 wellst0nev0ter May 2019 #9
She didn't start the race in January 2007 with the same lead that she would ultimately have. StevieM May 2019 #12
It was also a two-person race between Hillary and Obama... Drunken Irishman May 2019 #14
The big difference is that no candidate - not even Hillary in '07 - has had the lead Biden has... Drunken Irishman May 2019 #13
While it's true that anything can happen in politics, MineralMan May 2019 #15
Please post a poll where Joe Lieberman had 40% of the vote at on 5/18/2003 DemocratSinceBirth May 2019 #16
At this time in 1187, the Christians held Jerusalem LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #17
You're killing me. DemocratSinceBirth May 2019 #18
 

SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
1. I'm surprised in those years that a field had even formed at this point. NT
Fri May 17, 2019, 09:27 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
2. You're probably right about Mayor Pete, but, I still wish him the best of luck.
Fri May 17, 2019, 09:32 PM
May 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
3. Last election...
Fri May 17, 2019, 09:36 PM
May 2019

I liked Bernie Sanders and even donated a little to his campaign. I had wanted Elizabeth Warren to run and she didn't so I first supported Bernie. But Bernie didn't win and I voted for Hillary. This time since Elizabeth is running I'm supporting her unless I hear more information to change my mind.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
4. Just looked and I don't think Clinton announced until Oct 1992..
Fri May 17, 2019, 09:38 PM
May 2019

First primary was Feb 1992.

If that is correct then Clinton was polling at 6% over five months before announcing. Six months before his official announcement in Nov 1991.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

still_one

(92,139 posts)
11. LOL. I believe the only election where Joe LIeberman ran for President was 2004
Fri May 17, 2019, 10:28 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TwilightZone

(25,467 posts)
5. In neither case were there 22 candidates...
Fri May 17, 2019, 09:51 PM
May 2019

with one having nearly half the early vote.

There's really no comparison between this race and prior ones. Prior ones didn't have Trump; prior ones didn't have 22 major candidates by this time in the cycle (or ever); prior ones didn't have one candidate with nearly half the vote at this time in the cycle.

It's pretty much unprecedented, so comparisons to prior cycles don't really tell us anything of substance.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

kcr

(15,315 posts)
7. Well, the fact that we haven't even had our first debate yet is still relevant
Fri May 17, 2019, 10:00 PM
May 2019

Or the fact that no candidate would have had any votes by this time, this cycle or any, so not sure what you mean by that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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shanny

(6,709 posts)
10. there's a lot more than two cases
Fri May 17, 2019, 10:10 PM
May 2019

of early frontrunners dropping well back in the actual primaries but, yes, 22 candidates (I wouldn't call them all "major" ) is unprecedented.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/16/1858217/-Which-presidential-candidates-enjoyed-mid-May-polling-leads-in-previous-cycles-Almost-none-who-won

I am hoping at least half the field ends up in the Cabinet of the new administration.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Maru Kitteh

(28,339 posts)
6. Okay
Fri May 17, 2019, 09:58 PM
May 2019

But you may have noticed, this is not the 1990s.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
8. Also, Clinton was a former governor (or maybe still governor) of Arkansas. Pete is great but
Fri May 17, 2019, 10:02 PM
May 2019

with not the years of experience that Clinton had as governor of Arkansas.

I agree with you about Pete. He has charm, smarts and strikes me as a fast learner as a mayor. He is a bright light in our party!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
9. Hillary was the consistent frontrunner at this time in 2007
Fri May 17, 2019, 10:09 PM
May 2019

Hillary was the presumed candidate until Iowa happened.

Nothing is set in stone.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
12. She didn't start the race in January 2007 with the same lead that she would ultimately have.
Fri May 17, 2019, 10:31 PM
May 2019

She went out in the first 9 months of 2007 and built that lead up.

Obama started surging in late 2007 and was considered the likely winner of Iowa by the time it happened.

Once he won Iowa, the whole race was reset.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
14. It was also a two-person race between Hillary and Obama...
Fri May 17, 2019, 11:01 PM
May 2019

With Hillary's lead 10-13 points ahead of Obama in the polls - not something impossible to overcome.

Biden currently leads Bernie by 20+ points on average. That is a massive gap for so such a large field. It's due to a good amount of people not being undecided.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
13. The big difference is that no candidate - not even Hillary in '07 - has had the lead Biden has...
Fri May 17, 2019, 10:59 PM
May 2019

Lieberman led polls but with a very small amount of support. A good amount of Democrats remained undecided in 1992 and 2004. That isn't the case right now. Biden is currently pushing 40% in a sixteen-person race.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
15. While it's true that anything can happen in politics,
Sat May 18, 2019, 11:44 AM
May 2019

there is a 24-candidate field this year. For one candidate to have 40% polling numbers is pretty much unprecedented in such a large field of candidates.

Yes, it's very early in the race. But, Joe Biden is a known quantity. Those who like him as the nominee now, would need some real hard information to change that viewpoint.

You can figure that 40% has beating Trump as their primary reason for supporting a former VP under Obama this early. They think he can win is the reason. Who else can offer that? Sanders? Nope. He lost in the primary to Hillary Clinton, and there's no evidence that enough people will turn out for him to ensure a Trump loss.

Warren? Well, she's nice and all, but she has no characteristics that ensure her win, either. Beto? Well, he lost the Senate race in his own state, so...

We could go right down the list and there's nobody who has a proven high likelihood of beating Donald Trump. Except for Joe Biden. He's the only candidate with White House experience. He's the only candidate with the long congressional record he has. He got the Presidential Medal of Freedom hung around his neck by President Barack Obama, who praised him almost embarrassingly when he gave him the medal. Guess who will champion Joe Biden after he gets the nomination. He'll also get solid support from Hillary Clinton, who remains grateful he didn't run in 2016 against her, thus handing the nomination to Bernie Sanders.

Joe Biden has a lot of important fans who will endorse him enthusiastically after the convention. Everyone knows Joe Biden.

And there is why recalling past primary seasons doesn't indicate much. None of them were like this one.



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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
16. Please post a poll where Joe Lieberman had 40% of the vote at on 5/18/2003
Sat May 18, 2019, 11:52 AM
May 2019

Thank you in advance.

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LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
17. At this time in 1187, the Christians held Jerusalem
Sat May 18, 2019, 12:12 PM
May 2019

which is about as relevant.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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