Joe did what he had to do today!!!

[busterbrown]

Defined the bottom line perfectly... If we don't defeat Trump, there will be absolutely no discussion of progressive ideas ( Health-Care, Climate Change, EPA Enforcement etc. ) This early Biden Strategy of not being specific with progressive ideas.... is specifically directed at voters in Florida, Penn. Wisconsin etc. crucial to a Dem Victory.

If Trump remains in office.. All hell will break loose IN 2004!! Progressive ideas will be shelved for another 8 yrs..

So in the end ...I hope through the primary season Joe stays in the middle as much as possible...regardless of how loud the cry is from our new progressive Dems.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

1. Sorry not buyin' it; watched the whole rally with hope that Uncle Joe would sell me on his candidacy

Indeed, a bunch of platitudes and a return to normalcy, without promoting firm progressive policy positions, is not going to sell anyone. After four years of tRumpty Dumbty, the American people demand more.

Hopefully, Joe will retool his speech for future rallies... I just wasn't inspired and I sincerely was looking to be.


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[FarPoint]

2. So, you still rooting for Jon Snow?

I watched today because I needed to know if he had strength and control along with Primary goal of eliminating/beating tRump....He got my attention today and believe he indeed is the one.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

3. I respect that... I'll watch it again, but, the substance and tone didn't inspire me...

certainly not the way Obama did. I appreciate using Obama as the "gold standard" is a bit unfair to Joe and, frankly, all of the candidates running... but I do think Joe, with all of his political experience, can do better and start putting some "meat on the bone" of his campaign.

I'm keeping my mind open about ol' Joe and I'll let you know if the second time watching his rally today changes my opinion of it.


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[FarPoint]

27. The battle is to save Democracy....eliminate tRump...

If Joe can do it, I say, " Make it so". Again, I only have a vision to eliminate tRump in 2020....I refuse to attack any Democrat....I just want them all to motivate massive voter turnout....

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

29. No question that's the battle we're fighting, hopefully TOGETHER as a Party...guess we just disagree

on who the "champion" should be to send out into that battle for the survival of our country. One thing's for sure, it will take EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US to support the eventual nominee and see to it that the battle is WON!!


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[busterbrown]

4. Love Bernie's ideas..

but he wouldn't stand a chance. It's time to fess up to the fact we have mass group voters who are truly fearful of the term "Progressive Socialists.." (Thanks to the constant fucking lies of the right wing).. A ton of them live in Florida, Penn. Wisconsin states we have to win.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

7. I appreciate your concern... and it's valid. But, what shows the real mettle of a politician...

is their authenticity and ability to bring people along to their way of thinking. No one does this better than Bernie and, so, we'll see, as the campaign rolls on, whether he can continue to do that.

Certainly, most of his fellow Democratic candidates - Joe being the notable exception - have picked up many of the progressive agenda items Bernie has promoted much of his adult life. Good for Bernie... and good for those other candidates!!


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[Skya Rhen]

34. Well, hopefully Bernie's "authenticity and ability to bring people along to (his) way of thinking"

will work and he will become the nominee. This is how it is supposed to work. May the best candidate win...

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

47. Yes, you're so right... that's democracy at its finest. Best of luck to your candidate.

And, yes, may the best candidate win... then vote blue no matter who.


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[True Blue American]

53. Bernie/ Warren

Would not stand a chance in the midwest. Those are the states we need to win.Two Easterners. I do like Warren. She is a real fighter.

Joe talked about the ACA, improving and making it better. He talked about good paying jobs. He already has Union backing. He talked about the climate.

Maybe a Sherrod Brown, Kamala Harris or one from middle America. See how they all perform in the debates.

Hoping DeWine and his abortion bill shocked women.

[BannonsLiver]

5. "With the hope Uncle Joe would sell me on his candidacy"

Oh lord....

You expect people who read your posts here regularly to believe that? C’mon.

[busterbrown]

8. Yep...

Maybe you ought to list one or two reasons why you disagree.. Do you really believe that our current electorate is ready to fully embrace terms like "Socialism, Free Healthcare, Mommy States".. I hear these words used every day by Repubs.. Get your head in the game.

unless you have other motives

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

10. Yes, unlike many other posters here, I really do try keepin an open mind.

Though I did not EXPECT Joe to change it in ONE SPEECH, given the volume of Joe's prior positions that already do not strike a chord with me, I was still HOPING he had gotten the message and was willing to express a vision of the future that goes at least a little beyond a return to normalcy.

I was genuinely disappointed that I didn't hear that vision today. I would have LIKED to and then Joe might have climbed a bit on my Top-10 list of preferred Democratic candidates. Despite that disappointment, I will STILL keep an open mind about Joe and look to see if maybe he evolves on some of the important progressive issues of the day, as the Democratic primary race rolls on.


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[BannonsLiver]

11. Yeah I guess constantly writing bad things about someone means you have an open mind.

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But guilty as charged, I no longer have an open mind about Bernie.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

16. See, unlike you, I'd never say I can't stand Biden & certainly give him credit where credit is due.

Indeed, Joe is EXTREMELY likable, which is probably one of his greatest strengths and certainly has helped propel him to the top of the polls.

You can continue to constantly criticize Bernie all you want... see if I care. Would it be nice if you kept an open mind about him as he runs in the primary?! Sure!! But, as long as you vote for Bernie in the general, after he secures the Democratic nomination for President, that's really ALL that matters.


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[InAbLuEsTaTe]

21. You couldn't be MORE wrong... perhaps, you're projecting based on your Bernie bias.

After the loyalty Joe showed Obama, THAT ALONE - as well as many other things - makes Joe an OUTSTANDING individual... so, please speak for yourself about how you dislike Bernie... that's fine,
I don't care. But, please don't speak for me about Joe.

Do I disagree with MANY of the policy positions Joe has taken over the years? Damn straight I do... but, does that mean I can't stand him?! HELL NO!! In fact, I like Joe VERY much as a person, and, yes, I also like some of the things he stands for politically, as I've mentioned before.

And that's PRECISELY why I'm keeping an open mind about Joe and hope he evolves on many of the issues I disagree with him about. (And, yes, there's a LOT to disagree with.) Cuz, in the end, if Joe wins the primary and becomes our nominee - in which case I'll vote for him ENTHUSIASTICALLY!! - I'd like to see him carry out at least a part of the progressive vision that Bernie has helped bring to the fore.

Okay, you can continue now to misrepresent my feelings about Joe and put words in my mouth... carry on!


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[BannonsLiver]

22. All evidence to the contrary.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

24. Nope, wrong... but, keep saying it if it makes you feel better!!

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[busterbrown]

13. Just remind yourself..

of how ignorant.. so much of our electorate is.. Just look at 20016 again

and how Joe can bring many of these types into our fold..

If Joe is elected and does not do everything he can to turn this country sharply to the left..then he will be probably be gone after 1 term..

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

20. Another fair point... it's just that Joe's cautious approach, a "return to normalcy" so to speak...

sounds like something you'd hear in a GENERAL election, but not in the Democratic PRIMARY election. Yes, pretty much ALL Democrats want to see tRumpty Dumbty kicked out of office on his stupid head, fo sho... but, they also hunger for a progressive change in the direction of this country. The two are not mutually exclusive.


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[VarryOn]

33. It certainly seems like...

He's trying to play things safe, which would certainly be a reasonable strategy. But, you have to hope the clock runs quickly.

He's in my top 4 or 5, but I agree, he's not inspiring..or at least, not yet

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

48. That's just about where I am... the problem with the "trying to play things safe" strategy...

as the frontrunner, is that it provides a political vacuum other Democratic candidates can fill, giving them ample opportunity to compare and contrast their vision of
a forward-looking progressive agenda, with Joe's voting record and past positions that seem a bit outdated.

It just seems like a bad political strategy, but, then Joe has the best advisors money can buy... and, so, one has to assume they know what they're doing. Obviously they've mapped out a strategy they think will get them across the finish line... I have my doubts, however, that it'll work, which is why I expect Joe will change his political strategy fairly soon.


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[VarryOn]

49. We keep talking about how deep our bench is and how great the 20-odd number of..,

candidates is. However, people keep getting in. If those running believed the field offered voters a complete set of options with all conceivable flavors, they wouldnt keep jumping in. As an example, the NYC mayor obviously doesnt think anyone else running offers everything he could.

Personally, I'm satisfied with the field. I believe the vast majority would be up to the task, and the rest are plausibe. The debates will alleviate any other comcerns for me.

I hope no one else decides to run!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

62. The bench IS deep, very deep, I agree with you... but, that's no reason to pull the ladder up.

The more qualified candidates contributing to the debate the better IMHO... why I welcome Mayor de Blasio to the race and look forward to hearing him articulate his vision for America.


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[True Blue American]

54. Funny, the rest of us did not hear the speech you describe.

I thought it covered all the bases perfectly.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

61. Glad you thought so... we just disagree. I'm sure as the campaign rolls on...

Joe will put more meat on the bone in terms of where he now stands on issues, compared to where he used to stand. I'm certainly open to hearing what Joe has to say and hope he comes out with a progressive vision for America.


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[NYMinute]

55. IKR?

Deep brain programming is nearly impossible to reverse.

[Nuggets]

31. What you weren't enticed?

[Demsrule86]

50. You are not open to such persuasion anymore than I am where Sanders is concerned but

we will both vote for whoever the nominee is in the general.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

64. So not true... I am open to being persuaded by Biden, it's just going

to take a fair amount of convincing based on past positions Joe has taken. I had high hopes of hearing Joe provide more substance about his vision for the future, but, that was not to be.

Obviously, there will be many more opportunities for Joe to speak to that vision and I will remain open to being convinced by him. It would be nice if those opposing Bernie would extend him the same courtesy.


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[Demsrule86]

69. Sorry I have no doubt you think it is true but it will never be enough...you just don't like

his politics and you have always adored Bernie. However, both of us will vote for the Democratic nominee.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

70. The last thing you said, we can DEFINITELY agree on Demsrule...

When the primary winner is declared, no one should even so much as HINT that they're not going to vote for the Democratic nominee.

To date, though, it's encouraging that I've yet to see even a SINGLE post to indicate otherwise. (Perhaps, I missed it... that's possible.) So, that gives me hope that, when this primary is all over and decided, we can unify around the winning nominee and achieve the ultimate goal of ridding ourselves of that prick occupying the White House.

At least that's my hope... one I believe is easily attainable.


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[honest.abe]

58. Joe is already the favorite to win the Dem nomination and the general election.

He seems to be doing quite well. I would suggest that he not listen to your advice.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

65. I understand that... but, it's a little premature to be measuring the drapes, dontcha think?!

[honest.abe]

67. Certainly no guarantees but he seems to be on the right track.

IMHO.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

68. I'll give Joe that... but, it's a long way to the finish line.

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[katmondoo]

60. Sorry I don't buy Bernie anymore

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

66. That's fine. I respect that, even tho I dont completely understand the contempt some have for Bernie

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[StarfishSaver]

6. He was very impressive

He makes me smile.

[aikoaiko]

9. Not Trump is not enough.

Not Trump = anybody.

Anybody isn’t very compelling.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

12. Thats partially my point above...we need VISION, a leader who knows where he or she wants to take us

I didn't hear that today from Joe... no doubt, he'll get the message and, hopefully, provide a bit more inspiration at his next rally. That's what I'm looking for after suffering at the hands of Dick-tator tRump!!


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[busterbrown]

17. I don't understand..

If Bernie or Elizabeth win... nomination?.... All you will hear from the White House and every Trump supporter... are the words.. Baby Killers, Nanny State, Socialism, Guns being taken away..etc..

Biden to me represents the one who can appeal to those who voted for trump or did not vote in 2016.

Listen Biden is not my first choice.. In fact if we were in a perfect world Warren would win..and I would have voted for her..

But we live in a country filled with ignorance .. Joe being nominated would play an important role in Florida Wisconsin, and Penn. necessary for a Dem Victory!! No Chance that Bernie could possibly carry those states.

[TCJ70]

23. Do you think those descriptors will NOT be thrown at Biden?

If so...I don’t even know what to say to that.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

25. Seriously!!

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[BannonsLiver]

14. Neither is purity.

[aikoaiko]

15. I don't purity means what you think it means , but I yes purity isn't enough either

If that makes you feel any better.

[uponit7771]

41. +1,

[mcar]

26. It wasn't just not Trump

obvious to those who watched it.

[honest.abe]

59. I think his message is not just "Not Trump, its about repairing the mess Trump has wrought..

and he, Joe Biden, is the person most capable of doing that.

[dalton99a]

18. Joe did a fine job

[LakeArenal]

28. Joe remains the most qualified both nationally and globally.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

30. Clearly Joe has the most experience... no one can deny him that.

But, as we've seen, experience does not always carry the day... as the most recent presidential elections have shown.


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[emmaverybo]

32. Well there it is. I keep thinking you can't argue with people who say abortion is murder (old

Jodie Powell Oped I think) and that similarly, you can’t rebut people who say Joe”s the past blah blah.
But you just said it all.

[LakeArenal]

38. I have been mostly staying away for the "Biden Past So-called Scandals"

Those arguments are on DU. In the public, Joe remains way ahead of everybody else. That's because of his "experience" not his so-called scandals..

[musicman65]

37. One to be respected

who in turn,,,will respect all of us

[pamdb]

35. biden

Like Biden and Harris. I really like Mayor Pete, but if a man gets the nod, he will have to pick a woman for VP. I don't care one way or the other, he just will.

I don't care who the democrats nominate, WE NEED TO SUPPORT AND VOTE FOR THEM!

I'd vote for my dog before pumpkin head. Come to think of it, he's probably smarter than trump.

[LakeArenal]

40. I don't quite agree with you.....

It's just as much Pete's time in history as it is any woman..

Public likes Pete. He's young and charismatic... It may just be his and his husband's time to be VP..

[uponit7771]

43. +1, "he will have to pick a woman for VP" ... Yep, and they'll do well

[Cha]

36. Good to know.. Thanks,

Buster!

[Downtown Hound]

39. Next time we'll see if we can get him to do a stripper dance

to maybe entice you. Seriously? Our whole democracy is at stake, and you're whining about not being enticed?

[busterbrown]

44. Man.. Read it up again Brother. "whining about not being enticed?

You actually think I have to be enticed by Joe.. I call it being impressed by joe..

... Bernie Sanders is brilliant.. and would make a great President...However You must know that Florida, Wisconsin, and Penn. are critical in order to win.. I think Biden will fare much more positively with these kind of states than Bernie.. If Bernie is nominated He will be called the King of The Socialists.. The Nanny State Leader.. and anything else that would portray him as a bleeding Heart Liberal... It just won't work!

[Downtown Hound]

45. Sorry, responded to the wrong thread.

[emmaverybo]

52. Marvelous comment.

[Skya Rhen]

42. Joe did an amazing job - I am so proud of him and I remain enthused!

[RHMerriman]

51. Final passage...

....no other nation can match us, if we step up and lead by the power of our example, not the example of our power...

the only thing that can tear America apart is America itself, and we can not let that happen...

...everybody knows who Donald Trump is; even his supporters know who he is ... we have to let them know who WE are, what WE stand for...

We choose HOPE over fear, TRUTH over lies, and yes, UNITY over division! We need to lift our heads up, open our hearts, and remember who we are - the UNITED States of America! There is not a single thing we cannot do if we do it TOGETHER!

Not bad ...

[Cha]

46. Biden saying what needed to be said!

Link to tweet

[musicman65]

56. As He always does

with poise and class

[duforsure]

57. Wish he and Obama would do this now,

Play with trump's head , and suggest Obama could be his running mate. Others could do the same thing by suggesting Hillary could be anyone's running mate, just to play games with trump's head. Maybe others he's attacked names could be suggested like Comey , Clapper , Brennan, and use it against him to rile him up. They also should call for a commission on corruption in our government if elected to get the complete truth out to the American people.

[Gothmog]

71. Joe Biden is the most electable candidate that the Democratic Party has available

[VarryOn]

72. As it stands at the current moment...

I think you’re probably correct. However, it’s a long time until November, 2020. But, looking at the list of candidates, IMO there are probably realistically 10 or so plausibly candidates. Many good ones, for sure!