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Sun May 26, 2019, 04:18 PM

 

NY Times: Fact-Checking Bernie Sanders on the Campaign Trail

"Fact-Checking Bernie Sanders on the Campaign Trail"

"Mr. Sanders has campaigned on his record of popularizing progressive positions and taking aim at President Trump. Here’s a fact-check of his remarks."



link: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/25/us/politics/fact-checking-bernie-sanders-campaign.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

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Reply NY Times: Fact-Checking Bernie Sanders on the Campaign Trail (Original post)
Vidal May 2019 OP
Dennis Donovan May 2019 #1
Cha May 2019 #2
betsuni May 2019 #4
Cha May 2019 #5
sandensea May 2019 #3
dgauss May 2019 #6
aidbo May 2019 #7
mcar May 2019 #8
Skya Rhen May 2019 #9
Gothmog May 2019 #12
vsrazdem May 2019 #10
Gothmog May 2019 #11

Response to Vidal (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 04:35 PM

1. One word comes to mind... Virulent

 

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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 04:49 PM

2. Thanks.. I can't

 

see with pay wall but hopefully they're really checking.
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Response to Cha (Reply #2)

Sun May 26, 2019, 05:01 PM

4. I can't either, here's another source:

 

http://www.ibtimes.com/new-york-times-fact-checks-bernie-sanders-campaign-trail-2795072
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Response to betsuni (Reply #4)

Sun May 26, 2019, 05:04 PM

5. Mahalo, betsuni!

 

I have to go out now.. but will be reading when I return.

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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 04:55 PM

3. Would that those weasels at NYT gave Cheeto and his gang the same treatment.

 

An "existential question"? As in what? To flout or not to flout?


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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 05:09 PM

6. Wow, some real zingers in that piece. For instance, Bernie recently said:

 

“Four years ago, I was in a national TV debate. And the moderator said, Senator Sanders, what do you consider to be a major foreign policy and national security crisis. And I think they expected me to say Al Qaeda, ISIS, which are very serious threats to this country. But I responded and I said the major national security crisis we face is climate change. And the moderator actually laughed. Well they are not laughing today.”

The fact checking sleuths at the Times went back to that 2015 debate and found that yes, Sanders did answer "climate change" BUT video evidence shows that the moderator didn't actually laugh.

Great find. The American people need to know these things.
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Response to dgauss (Reply #6)

Sun May 26, 2019, 05:33 PM

7. yeah, this article is weak sauce.

 

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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 07:33 PM

8. A few excerpts

 

WHAT MR. SANDERS SAID

“Four years ago, when we said that health care is a human right, we were told that was a radical idea, that the American people wouldn’t accept it. Poll just came out the other day, consistent with other polls, 70 percent of the American people support a ‘Medicare for all’ single-payer program.”
— Asheville, N.C., in May

This is exaggerated.
While “Medicare for all” has grown more popular since Mr. Sanders campaigned on it in 2016, not all polls show as many as 70 percent of Americans supporting it.

As lawmakers began working on a health care overhaul in 2009, support for a single-payer system hovered from about 30 to 50 percent in most polls. When the Affordable Care Act became law a year later, national discussions of single-payer systems dissipated and sporadic polling showed that public opinion toward such systems did not change much from the end of 2009 to 2014.
...

In polls from Kaiser Family Foundation, 53 to 59 percent favor such a system. Reuters has found 60 to 70 percent support it, but about 30 to 40 percent say they are less likely to back Medicare for all if income taxes will increase. Similarly, in recent polling by RealClearPolitics, 65 percent of respondents backed a Medicare for all system, but support dipped to 55 percent when told that the system would eliminate private health insurance.


WHAT MR. SANDERS SAID

“Four years ago, I was in a national TV debate. And the moderator said, Senator Sanders, what do you consider to be a major foreign policy and national security crisis. And I think they expected me to say Al Qaeda, ISIS, which are very serious threats to this country. But I responded and I said the major national security crisis we face is climate change. And the moderator actually laughed. Well they are not laughing today.”
— Asheville, N.C., in May

This is misleading.
In October 2015, during the first Democratic primary debate, the CNN anchor Anderson Cooper asked the five major candidates to name the “greatest national security threat to the United States.”

Mr. Sanders’s response, “the global crisis of climate change,” earned applause, not chuckles, from the audience. Video of the debate does not show Mr. Cooper or anyone else laughing either. Martin O’Malley, the former governor of Maryland, also listed climate change, as well as the Islamic State and the nuclear threat posed by Iran, before Mr. Sanders responded.
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Response to mcar (Reply #8)

Sun May 26, 2019, 08:26 PM

9. Let's hope that he apologizes otherwise he might be regarded as having a victim mentality...

 

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Response to mcar (Reply #8)

Sun May 26, 2019, 08:36 PM

12. Again, the article cited in the OP is very helpful

 

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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 08:26 PM

10. OMG, scandalous, must be disqualifying.

 

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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 08:36 PM

11. Thank you for posting these facts

 

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