Democratic Primaries
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According to POLITICO, "'Sanders needs to find a way to connect with longer established Democratic voters, and thats older voters."
In the latest Morning Consult weekly tracking poll, Sanders leads Biden by 12 points among Democratic primary voters under 30, and Biden has only a 1-point lead among voters aged 30-44. But Biden leads Sanders by 44 points among seniors, 53 percent to 9 percent.
Bernie Sanders, 77, has a problem with old people. In poll after poll, he places a distant second behind former Vice President Joe Biden among the senior set, the demographic that has long had more sway over who becomes president than any other. His campaign acknowledges it's a problem and is trying so far, unsuccessfully to fix it. Its a familiar issue for the septuagenarian senator: In 2016, Sanders won more voters from young people than Hillary Clinton and President Donald Trump combined. But Clinton crushed him among older Americans at the ballot box, denying him the nomination.
The possibility of the same weakness thwarting Sanders second bid for the White House looms over his campaign. Sanders team knows he needs to do better among older voters. The campaign is scheduling events to attract more elderly voters, including one on Thursday at a seniors community center in Nevada, and his aides are optimistic that his plans to expand Social Security and Medicare benefits will help.
But some of the same qualities that have made Sanders a folk hero among millennials could be repelling seniors. His embrace of democratic socialism and calls for a political revolution are likely a tougher sell to many older voters who lived through the Cold War and are generally more conservative. And in a year when Democrats just want to beat President Donald Trump, the Vermont independent is seen by some Democrats as less electable than, say, Joe Biden.
Sanders needs to find a way to connect with longer established Democratic voters, and thats older voters, said Bhaskar Sunkara, a Sanders supporter who founded the socialist magazine Jacobin and is a former vice chairman of Democratic Socialists of America. It's tricky. Biden has higher perceptions of electability, and it could be hard to convince people they should be voting for Bernie when they're already familiar with this other guy, and their main concern is getting Trump out of office."
Source: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/30/bernie-sanders-older-voters-1346590
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
zentrum
(9,865 posts)...no problem with the old people in my family. They love him.
And they love Warren too. Who, I guess, is considered "old".
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JoeOtterbein
(7,700 posts)Bernie's biggest hurdle: Old people like Biden a lot more
'Sanders needs to find a way to connect with longer established Democratic voters, and thats older voters,' says one supporter.
By HOLLY OTTERBEIN 05/30/2019 05:04 AM EDT
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)I know what he means. But loyal Democrats like myself consider ourselves to be the "establishment."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JoeOtterbein
(7,700 posts)...Underground!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)I guess.. Do you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
renate
(13,776 posts)The article is well written throughout, but I especially like the understated way that the first sentence sums up the paradox and dilemma so succinctly.
Please give her my congratulations! I'm impressed!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JoeOtterbein
(7,700 posts)And I'll let Holly know about your nice comments!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)His entire campaign in 2016 was to center millennials...period. Campaigning on M4A will not attract more seniors to his campaign.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,147 posts)I doubt if there is anything that Bernie could do to get my vote. He has a very poor record and he can't paint over the past.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brooklynite
(94,548 posts)...that's why he lost last time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Madtown
(39 posts)Since Bernie is the guy who wants to fix social security and expand medicare. Seems to me they might be voting against their interests.
Snip~ { what you might find surprising is that early Democratic presidential front-runner Joe Biden, who you'd expect to fight for core Democratic principles in resolving Social Security's imminent cash crunch, including raising or eliminating the earnings cap, has called for Social Security cuts on three separate occasions over the past 12 years.}
https://www.fool.com/retirement/2019/05/17/joe-biden-has-called-for-social-security-cuts-3-ti.aspx
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Vidal
(642 posts)nt
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Congress could stop raiding the SS Trustfubd, but most people really like Medicare and it is well run.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)with intentions of creating divisiveness among Democrats by pitting the supporters of our strongest candidates against one another.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,327 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
comradebillyboy
(10,147 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)It's right wing trolls who infiltrate forums & social media with intentions of creating divisiveness among Democrats by pitting the supporters of our strongest candidates against one another.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
babylonsister
(171,065 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
riverine
(516 posts)I cannot prove it though.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Madtown
(39 posts)for the 50ish plus voters. they might be horrified that they could loose that .
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
I've worked extensively on healthcare and found that current Medicare recipients do not generally like Bernie's plan. It's not right, but they are afraid if they extend benefits to everyone, it will make their own Medicare insecure.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
babylonsister
(171,065 posts)would like nothing better than for everyone to have healthcare.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
question everything
(47,479 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)across several demographics. This article indicates a clear need with the older swath of the electorate. Several days ago a similar article indicated Sanders' realization that reaching out to the Democratic Establishment would be necessary if he wanted to win the nomination, the same establishment he continually bashes. There have also been indications that Bernie comes up short with African Americans and Hispanics, as he did in 2016. Then there are the state/local Democratic organizations that have complained the Sanders' campaign (unlike other candidate campaigns) has failed to connect, reach out, pickup the phone. This has been specifically noted in SC.
I suspect this 'awareness' has more to do with a failed strategy--that expected 30% plurality--in a huge field that did not account for a Joe Biden surge or Elizabeth Warren's steady climb in the polls. That's on Bernie Sanders and his team, not the media nor the Democratic Establishment nor any of the excuses fielded by his supporters and team.
Relationships, the real kind, take time to establish and nurture. You can't develop them on the fly. It's not as if Bernie Sanders hasn't had the time to do the outreach. Obviously, he didn't think it was necessary. Until now. IMHO, it's one of the weaknesses of being the outsider, the outlier. Sanders has never been the touchy-feely sort. And now, it shows.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,147 posts)people one has been shitting on for the last 30 years or so? How does one go from calling rivals 'corporate whores' or 'establishment shills' to asking for their support while never asking for forgiveness or admitting error?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)during a debate, when he said that climate change is the greatest national security threat?
I can't seem to find the link to the apology...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,211 posts)now?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,147 posts)at the last minute last time, he's desperate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Vidal
(642 posts)Biden has them more than anyone else.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,231 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yet they can't see that. They think that his proposals are the only right ones.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LibFarmer
(772 posts)That is the problem.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,231 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)But if you put Senator Sanders and former Vice President Biden in a room of people from all walks of life, you will see instantly why Biden is way ahead. Biden would be moving around the room chatting with and taking selfies with anyone that he came across, regardless of who they were. Bernie would be at a corner table staring at notes.
It all boils down to who you would want to have a drink with, all else being equal or close to equal.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden