
Thu May 30, 2019, 08:56 AM
Vidal (642 posts)
Bernie Sanders' Biggest Problem: He better fix it or he's doomed
According to POLITICO, "'Sanders needs to find a way to connect with longer established Democratic voters, and that’s older voters."
In the latest Morning Consult weekly tracking poll, Sanders leads Biden by 12 points among Democratic primary voters under 30, and Biden has only a 1-point lead among voters aged 30-44. But Biden leads Sanders by 44 points among seniors, 53 percent to 9 percent. Bernie Sanders, 77, has a problem with old people. In poll after poll, he places a distant second behind former Vice President Joe Biden among the senior set, the demographic that has long had more sway over who becomes president than any other. His campaign acknowledges it's a problem and is trying — so far, unsuccessfully — to fix it. It’s a familiar issue for the septuagenarian senator: In 2016, Sanders won more voters from young people than Hillary Clinton and President Donald Trump combined. But Clinton crushed him among older Americans at the ballot box, denying him the nomination. Source: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/30/bernie-sanders-older-voters-1346590
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
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Author | Time | Post |
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Vidal | May 2019 | OP |
zentrum | May 2019 | #1 | |
JoeOtterbein | May 2019 | #2 | |
Kahuna7 | May 2019 | #5 | |
JoeOtterbein | May 2019 | #9 | |
Kahuna7 | May 2019 | #14 | |
renate | May 2019 | #23 | |
JoeOtterbein | May 2019 | #25 | |
Doitnow | May 2019 | #3 | |
Kahuna7 | May 2019 | #4 | |
comradebillyboy | May 2019 | #6 | |
brooklynite | May 2019 | #7 | |
Madtown | May 2019 | #8 | |
Vidal | May 2019 | #16 | |
Blue_true | May 2019 | #36 | |
mtnsnake | May 2019 | #10 | |
Hassin Bin Sober | May 2019 | #11 | |
comradebillyboy | May 2019 | #19 | |
mtnsnake | May 2019 | #21 | |
babylonsister | May 2019 | #26 | |
IluvPitties | May 2019 | #12 | |
riverine | May 2019 | #13 | |
Madtown | May 2019 | #15 | |
Vidal | May 2019 | #17 | |
babylonsister | May 2019 | #27 | |
question everything | May 2019 | #18 | |
peggysue2 | May 2019 | #20 | |
comradebillyboy | May 2019 | #22 | |
Skya Rhen | May 2019 | #24 | |
Cha | May 2019 | #28 | |
comradebillyboy | May 2019 | #29 | |
Cha | May 2019 | #30 | |
Vidal | May 2019 | #32 | |
Gothmog | May 2019 | #31 | |
Vidal | May 2019 | #33 | |
LibFarmer | May 2019 | #34 | |
Gothmog | May 2019 | #35 | |
Blue_true | May 2019 | #37 |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Thu May 30, 2019, 09:00 AM
zentrum (9,836 posts)
1. He has...
...no problem with the old people in my family. They love him.
And they love Warren too. Who, I guess, is considered "old". ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Thu May 30, 2019, 09:11 AM
JoeOtterbein (6,980 posts)
2. Thanks for posting my daughter's article! But I'll add:
Bernie's biggest hurdle: Old people like Biden a lot more
'Sanders needs to find a way to connect with longer established Democratic voters, and that’s older voters,' says one supporter. By HOLLY OTTERBEIN 05/30/2019 05:04 AM EDT ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #2)
Thu May 30, 2019, 10:12 AM
Kahuna7 (2,531 posts)
5. Right. I wonder who Bernie thinks the "establishment" that he likes to rail against are.
I know what he means. But loyal Democrats like myself consider ourselves to be the "establishment."
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Kahuna7 (Reply #5)
Thu May 30, 2019, 10:35 AM
JoeOtterbein (6,980 posts)
9. I like to think of myself as being part of the Democratic...
...Underground!
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #9)
Thu May 30, 2019, 11:04 AM
Kahuna7 (2,531 posts)
14. That's nice,,,,
I guess..
![]() ![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #2)
Thu May 30, 2019, 02:36 PM
renate (13,660 posts)
23. how cool! and how proud you must be!
The article is well written throughout, but I especially like the understated way that the first sentence sums up the paradox and dilemma so succinctly.
Please give her my congratulations! I'm impressed! ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to renate (Reply #23)
Thu May 30, 2019, 02:47 PM
JoeOtterbein (6,980 posts)
25. Wow! That is so nice. And of course Holly is the best!
And I'll let Holly know about your nice comments!
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Thu May 30, 2019, 09:58 AM
Doitnow (1,103 posts)
3. I'm 84!
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Thu May 30, 2019, 10:08 AM
Kahuna7 (2,531 posts)
4. He has never shown an interest in wanting connecting with older voters...
His entire campaign in 2016 was to center millennials...period. Campaigning on M4A will not attract more seniors to his campaign.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Thu May 30, 2019, 10:13 AM
comradebillyboy (9,530 posts)
6. So what's Bernie going to do to earn my vote?
I doubt if there is anything that Bernie could do to get my vote. He has a very poor record and he can't paint over the past.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Thu May 30, 2019, 10:21 AM
brooklynite (79,980 posts)
7. I thought Sanders' problem was that people didn't want to vote for him...
...that's why he lost last time.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Thu May 30, 2019, 10:30 AM
Madtown (39 posts)
8. Well thats odd
Since Bernie is the guy who wants to fix social security and expand medicare. Seems to me they might be voting against their interests.
Snip~ { what you might find surprising is that early Democratic presidential front-runner Joe Biden, who you'd expect to fight for core Democratic principles in resolving Social Security's imminent cash crunch, including raising or eliminating the earnings cap, has called for Social Security cuts on three separate occasions over the past 12 years.} https://www.fool.com/retirement/2019/05/17/joe-biden-has-called-for-social-security-cuts-3-ti.aspx ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Madtown (Reply #8)
Thu May 30, 2019, 11:18 AM
Vidal (642 posts)
16. That article has a false headline He did call for Soc. Security cuts 3 times
nt
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Madtown (Reply #8)
Fri May 31, 2019, 12:03 AM
Blue_true (31,259 posts)
36. Social Security and Medicare are not broken.
Congress could stop raiding the SS Trustfubd, but most people really like Medicare and it is well run.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Thu May 30, 2019, 10:37 AM
mtnsnake (22,236 posts)
10. Sanders' & also Biden's biggest problems are right wing trolls who infiltrate forums & social media
with intentions of creating divisiveness among Democrats by pitting the supporters of our strongest candidates against one another.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to mtnsnake (Reply #10)
Thu May 30, 2019, 10:45 AM
Hassin Bin Sober (25,100 posts)
11. Well there is that!
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to mtnsnake (Reply #10)
Thu May 30, 2019, 11:31 AM
comradebillyboy (9,530 posts)
19. Sounds like you are talking about David Sirota.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #19)
Thu May 30, 2019, 12:58 PM
mtnsnake (22,236 posts)
21. I think you have the wrong post, but just in case you don't, I'll repeat it:
It's right wing trolls who infiltrate forums & social media with intentions of creating divisiveness among Democrats by pitting the supporters of our strongest candidates against one another.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to mtnsnake (Reply #10)
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:45 PM
babylonsister (169,605 posts)
26. Exactly!! nt
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Thu May 30, 2019, 10:50 AM
IluvPitties (3,181 posts)
12. I am in my 30s and he's not my cup of tea!
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Thu May 30, 2019, 10:57 AM
riverine (516 posts)
13. I suspect Single Payer polls poorly among the over 60 set.
I cannot prove it though.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to riverine (Reply #13)
Thu May 30, 2019, 11:16 AM
Madtown (39 posts)
15. but certainly not
for the 50ish plus voters. they might be horrified that they could loose that .
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to riverine (Reply #13)
Thu May 30, 2019, 11:20 AM
Vidal (642 posts)
17. Good point
I've worked extensively on healthcare and found that current Medicare recipients do not generally like Bernie's plan. It's not right, but they are afraid if they extend benefits to everyone, it will make their own Medicare insecure.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to riverine (Reply #13)
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:47 PM
babylonsister (169,605 posts)
27. Curious why you think that as I am over 60. I
would like nothing better than for everyone to have healthcare.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Thu May 30, 2019, 11:28 AM
question everything (43,668 posts)
18. His biggest problem is with Democrats who want someone with a D behind their names.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Thu May 30, 2019, 11:48 AM
peggysue2 (9,174 posts)
20. From several accounts, the Senator from Vermont needs to build relationships . . .
across several demographics. This article indicates a clear need with the older swath of the electorate. Several days ago a similar article indicated Sanders' realization that reaching out to the Democratic Establishment would be necessary if he wanted to win the nomination, the same establishment he continually bashes. There have also been indications that Bernie comes up short with African Americans and Hispanics, as he did in 2016. Then there are the state/local Democratic organizations that have complained the Sanders' campaign (unlike other candidate campaigns) has failed to connect, reach out, pickup the phone. This has been specifically noted in SC.
I suspect this 'awareness' has more to do with a failed strategy--that expected 30% plurality--in a huge field that did not account for a Joe Biden surge or Elizabeth Warren's steady climb in the polls. That's on Bernie Sanders and his team, not the media nor the Democratic Establishment nor any of the excuses fielded by his supporters and team. Relationships, the real kind, take time to establish and nurture. You can't develop them on the fly. It's not as if Bernie Sanders hasn't had the time to do the outreach. Obviously, he didn't think it was necessary. Until now. IMHO, it's one of the weaknesses of being the outsider, the outlier. Sanders has never been the touchy-feely sort. And now, it shows. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to peggysue2 (Reply #20)
Thu May 30, 2019, 02:19 PM
comradebillyboy (9,530 posts)
22. You are so right. How does one build relationships whith the
people one has been shitting on for the last 30 years or so? How does one go from calling rivals 'corporate whores' or 'establishment shills' to asking for their support while never asking for forgiveness or admitting error?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #22)
Thu May 30, 2019, 02:43 PM
Skya Rhen (2,701 posts)
24. Did Bernie ever apologize for falsely stating that he was laughed at by Anderson Cooper,
during a debate, when he said that climate change is the greatest national security threat?
I can't seem to find the link to the apology... ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #22)
Thu May 30, 2019, 04:24 PM
Cha (277,619 posts)
28. Exactly.. and why
now?
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Cha (Reply #28)
Thu May 30, 2019, 04:30 PM
comradebillyboy (9,530 posts)
29. Same reason he tried to swing the superdelegates to his side
at the last minute last time, he's desperate.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #29)
Thu May 30, 2019, 04:31 PM
Cha (277,619 posts)
30. ..
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #22)
Thu May 30, 2019, 05:19 PM
Vidal (642 posts)
32. Relationships are the key
Biden has them more than anyone else.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Thu May 30, 2019, 04:51 PM
Gothmog (115,483 posts)
31. A large segment of the party is turned off by some of sanders proposals
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Gothmog (Reply #31)
Thu May 30, 2019, 05:20 PM
Vidal (642 posts)
33. So true
yet they can't see that. They think that his proposals are the only right ones.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Thu May 30, 2019, 05:45 PM
LibFarmer (772 posts)
34. Many Democrats will never forgive or forget.
That is the problem.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Thu May 30, 2019, 09:39 PM
Gothmog (115,483 posts)
35. The senior set, the demographic that has long had most sway over who becomes president
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Fri May 31, 2019, 12:14 AM
Blue_true (31,259 posts)
37. I really hate to sound trivia.
But if you put Senator Sanders and former Vice President Biden in a room of people from all walks of life, you will see instantly why Biden is way ahead. Biden would be moving around the room chatting with and taking selfies with anyone that he came across, regardless of who they were. Bernie would be at a corner table staring at notes.
It all boils down to who you would want to have a drink with, all else being equal or close to equal. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |