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Vidal

(642 posts)
Thu May 30, 2019, 08:12 AM May 2019

Sanders' Supporters May Revolt at Convention and Damage Democratic Nominee

According to this article, Sanders supporters "say they are not afraid to stage another revolt at the 2020 Democratic National Convention in Milwaukee, even if doing so damages the party’s nominee ahead of the general election contest against President Trump."

Some Bernie backers are livid, and they claim there is some type of sabotage afoot. For hardcore Sanders supporters, Mr. Biden’s early domination of the race smacks of 2016, when the Democratic National Committee attempted to sabotage Mr. Sanders and clear the way to the nomination for Mrs. Clinton.

“The mainstream media and the DNC are colluding against the American people. That’s what it feels like. It’s the same thing all over again,” said Laurie Cestnick, a Sanders supporter who founded Occupy DNC to protest the nomination of Mrs. Clinton at the party’s 2016 convention in Philadelphia.

If they feel jilted again, Ms. Cestnick and fellow activists say they are not afraid to stage another revolt at the 2020 Democratic National Convention in Milwaukee, even if doing so damages the party’s nominee ahead of the general election contest against President Trump.

Sanders backers already mistrust polls that show Mr. Biden with a commanding lead and the news organizations that have put a spotlight on the former VP since he joined the race April 25. “People are becoming more upset and becoming more firm behind Bernie due to mainstream media not covering a lot of his events and the strong push for Biden,” Ms. Cestnick said. “Is 2016 going to happen all over again? It is sure feeling like it. But I tell you, they are going to see a fight like they have never seen before.”


Link: https://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2019/05/bernie-backers-blame-dnc-for-2020-media-sabotage/

This is one reason many traditional Democrats are not fond of Bernie Sanders and his supporters.

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Sanders' Supporters May Revolt at Convention and Damage Democratic Nominee (Original Post) Vidal May 2019 OP
But of course they will. leftofcool May 2019 #1
No surprise. lamp_shade May 2019 #2
Same mindset gave us Nader and Stein, and the horrible damage beachbum bob May 2019 #3
Also gave us Kavanaugh and Gorsuch - that crowd who voted for Stein is a disgrace! Skya Rhen May 2019 #20
The SCOTUS was on the ballot in 2016 Gothmog May 2019 #90
Gave us Alio, Roberts, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. Blue_true May 2019 #96
Same mindset gave us TRUMP and the horrible damage their supporters inflicted on Ameri trueblue2007 May 2019 #34
Hopefully they won't. George II May 2019 #4
We need to assume that they will and treat them as hostile. nt Blue_true May 2019 #97
Bernie Bots pamdb May 2019 #5
HERE, HERE !!!!! your comments are 1000000000000% right on. trueblue2007 May 2019 #36
Hillary conceded MONTHS before the primary. And thanks for your take on this. LisaM May 2019 #61
Thank you for pointing out the Florida and Michigan votes in 2008. Hillary was really hurt by that MaryMagdaline May 2019 #66
On paper, Hillary had the most votes in 2008. LisaM May 2019 #71
True. That message of two Americas was great. MaryMagdaline May 2019 #76
He also wanted to limit pharmaceutical company ads. LisaM May 2019 #81
I supported larwdem May 2019 #104
Lots of progressives Vidal May 2019 #105
So paranoia and the inability to perform simple math are requirements to be a supporter of his? LonePirate May 2019 #6
Pretty much. yardwork May 2019 #79
...again....nt SidDithers May 2019 #7
Bad source, the Washington Times. thesquanderer May 2019 #8
If you go through the links, you land on the Washington Times. RandySF May 2019 #9
Troll The Blue Flower May 2019 #10
+1 n/t area51 May 2019 #12
Yep. n/t demmiblue May 2019 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author LanternWaste May 2019 #42
who is a Troll ? stonecutter357 May 2019 #51
Mahalo, stonecutter! demmiblue May 2019 #56
Hi demmiblue . stonecutter357 May 2019 #59
How nice. George II May 2019 #88
You think? Autumn May 2019 #11
Post removed Post removed May 2019 #13
+1 earthshine May 2019 #22
+1 demmiblue May 2019 #24
+1. Glaringly obvious by other posts. JudyM May 2019 #25
+1 Chin music May 2019 #26
It's pretty transparent at this point...n/t TCJ70 May 2019 #35
+1. N/T obnoxiousdrunk May 2019 #49
With this field of strong contenders, how could the DNC pull off this alleged "sabotage"? With the.. TreasonousBastard May 2019 #14
Not a runoff; that would involve all 50 states. DNC delegates will vote yellowdogintexas May 2019 #32
That's what I mean-- under the new rules, superdelegates can't vote in... TreasonousBastard May 2019 #46
The Primaries are going to decide True Blue American May 2019 #60
It will be interesting-- that huge list of Rs back in 15/16... TreasonousBastard May 2019 #89
The source linked in the article is the Moonie Times. This is just RW media ratfuckery. swag May 2019 #15
By the convention, Sanders might not even be a factor. MineralMan May 2019 #16
I agree Vidal May 2019 #17
Is she part of the Sanders staff? MineralMan May 2019 #19
She is the person who organized the protests at the Democratic National Convention. George II May 2019 #28
Yes, I saw that. I just wondered if she's officially connected MineralMan May 2019 #39
Activist. Here's Cestnick saying most Sanders supporters Hortensis May 2019 #38
Thanks. So, just talking out of her ass, then. MineralMan May 2019 #40
The Dexit "movement" of a quarter of Sanders' primary voters, Hortensis May 2019 #44
I agree. Senator Sanders delayed his support for Hillary far too long. MineralMan May 2019 #45
sanders is running 5th in South Carolina and so might not get any delegates due to 15% rule Gothmog May 2019 #62
I'm not even a Democrat and am not fond of him obamanut2012 May 2019 #18
If that were to happen, Bernie Sanders would be a forever pariah . . . peggysue2 May 2019 #21
It did happen. About a quarter of Sanders' voters "Dexited" Hortensis May 2019 #43
Attacks Sanders supporters then complains Sanders supporters don't toe the line. Hassin Bin Sober May 2019 #27
By "toe the line" is assume you mean "not harrass" those ehrnst May 2019 #29
Toe the line??? Trumpocalypse May 2019 #53
Do you mean tow the line? nt LibFarmer May 2019 #82
The phrase is... tonedevil May 2019 #85
Thanks. As in line up in formation ( on a line ) Hassin Bin Sober May 2019 #93
We are not asking anyone to toe the line. We are asking them to not make shit up. Blue_true May 2019 #98
Well as long as "Some Bernie backers" are indicating this, let's lose our goddamned minds. Cuthbert Allgood May 2019 #30
It happened in 2016 it may very well happen again in 2020. comradebillyboy May 2019 #31
Interesting that the founder of Occupy DNC and yet another Stein supporter is already out there.... SouthernProgressive May 2019 #33
Yeps - she reminds me of the PUMA folks in 2008 JustAnotherGen May 2019 #58
There are several threats from the Dem 'left' that could be costly to Dems empedocles May 2019 #37
Should that happen, it would be even more ineffectual than last time. LanternWaste May 2019 #41
Democrats worry Bernie Sanders won't be a team player if he loses nomination Gothmog May 2019 #47
This shows why many Democrats don't have trust Vidal May 2019 #52
I was a Clinton delegate to the National Convention in Philadelphia Gothmog May 2019 #63
We know what he will do, dont we. More importantly what MANY of his followers will do. Eliot Rosewater May 2019 #55
KR! Cha May 2019 #48
Well, Trumpocalypse May 2019 #50
I really hope not Vidal May 2019 #54
Than they're no better than the Republicans. woodsprite May 2019 #57
No different than the trumpkins liberal N proud May 2019 #92
And the Russians pay people to sow discord Sienna86 May 2019 #64
I may be naive but I still don't quite understand exactly how the DNC "sabotaged" Sanders in 2016 Proud Liberal Dem May 2019 #65
He just didn't win enough primary votes to become the nominee Vidal May 2019 #68
Me too Proud Liberal Dem May 2019 #69
These people they are quoting cannot be Bernie supporters. Already conceding defeat????? MaryMagdaline May 2019 #67
Playing the refs Vidal May 2019 #70
Good point. You are probably correct. MaryMagdaline May 2019 #78
the way I see it... myohmy2 May 2019 #72
This isn't 2016. Even if they revolt, I doubt it will work Algernon Moncrieff May 2019 #73
Save trump the trouble. Turbineguy May 2019 #74
Of course they will nini May 2019 #75
Let them Nuggets May 2019 #77
The person they quoted sounds like a Dunning-Kruger type Bradshaw3 May 2019 #80
IMO, Sanders will be out of it long before the convention, at least vote-wise. stopbush May 2019 #83
K&R nt LibFarmer May 2019 #84
K&R betsuni May 2019 #86
Do they not understand the concept of losing? mcar May 2019 #87
Damn they are dumb liberal N proud May 2019 #91
I have dealt with people like them. Blue_true May 2019 #100
I know a few and they are completely convinced Bernie won California in 2016 ucrdem May 2019 #94
"they are certain that every word Sanders utters is gospel truth, so that might be the problem" Vidal May 2019 #95
Yes, there's a similar media bubble they rely on ucrdem May 2019 #99
Again, how many will then vote for Trump again. Historic NY May 2019 #101
And we will Revolt their Asses to the Front Door! LovingA2andMI May 2019 #102
Someone drank the collude-aid. Deb May 2019 #103
 

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
1. But of course they will.
Thu May 30, 2019, 08:14 AM
May 2019

Predictable

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beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
3. Same mindset gave us Nader and Stein, and the horrible damage
Thu May 30, 2019, 08:15 AM
May 2019

their supporters inflicted on America and the world.

Shame on all of them

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Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
20. Also gave us Kavanaugh and Gorsuch - that crowd who voted for Stein is a disgrace!
Thu May 30, 2019, 12:14 PM
May 2019
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Gothmog

(142,856 posts)
90. The SCOTUS was on the ballot in 2016
Thu May 30, 2019, 08:42 PM
May 2019

If Roe v. Wade is overturned, I will be blaming Stein, Nina Turner and Prof. West among others

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
96. Gave us Alio, Roberts, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh.
Thu May 30, 2019, 10:23 PM
May 2019

Imagine if a democrat had been in place to make the open seat nominations instead.

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trueblue2007

(17,018 posts)
34. Same mindset gave us TRUMP and the horrible damage their supporters inflicted on Ameri
Thu May 30, 2019, 12:56 PM
May 2019

YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
4. Hopefully they won't.
Thu May 30, 2019, 08:17 AM
May 2019
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
97. We need to assume that they will and treat them as hostile. nt
Thu May 30, 2019, 10:24 PM
May 2019
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pamdb

(1,329 posts)
5. Bernie Bots
Thu May 30, 2019, 08:21 AM
May 2019

I am soooooooo over Bernie. We voted for him in the Michigan Primary and both my husband and
I regret that. These people are no different than the trumpetts-if our guy doesn't get nominated we'll pout and take our toys and go home. Actually it would be better if they DID just not vote rather than try and stage a revolt. Bernie didn't help when he refused to concede the nomination (Hillary conceded to Obama within a week) and sat there pouting at the convention. Between his supporters and that idiot Jill Stein, we lost. There's no sabotage afoot-there are just so many candidates to choose from. If they want to blame someone, blame Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren, they are probably the ones pulling votes from him.
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trueblue2007

(17,018 posts)
36. HERE, HERE !!!!! your comments are 1000000000000% right on.
Thu May 30, 2019, 12:57 PM
May 2019
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LisaM

(27,712 posts)
61. Hillary conceded MONTHS before the primary. And thanks for your take on this.
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:42 PM
May 2019

The differences are staggering.

My parents (in Michigan) voted for Bernie, my father regrets it (he really didn't like it when I told him Bernie said JFK "was nauseating", and JFK is my father's political idol of all time), but my mother has become entrenched and even bought the narrative that the DNC "rigged" it for Bernie (it was actually far closer to rigging in 2008, when the DNC would not count Michigan and Florida's votes because they moved their primary dates).

My first thought when I saw the headline was, AGAIN?

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MaryMagdaline

(6,842 posts)
66. Thank you for pointing out the Florida and Michigan votes in 2008. Hillary was really hurt by that
Thu May 30, 2019, 04:19 PM
May 2019

I'm not bitter about that because I voted for Edwards in the primary in Florida (I have my own sins to atone for) and I think Obama was the better candidate (obviously) between Hillary and Obama. I came to LOVE Obama. But HRC really, really, got screwed by the Florida and Michigan votes and with the caucuses that favored younger voters.

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LisaM

(27,712 posts)
71. On paper, Hillary had the most votes in 2008.
Thu May 30, 2019, 04:58 PM
May 2019

She had a strong case for rigging, but she could read the writing on the wall, and I think she was gracious after she dropped out.

I preferred Edwards at first, though luckily his massive screwup happened in time for him to drop out of the race. I don't make any apologies for it, though. I still believe in his message of "two Americas", and I think it resonates even stronger than it did.

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MaryMagdaline

(6,842 posts)
76. True. That message of two Americas was great.
Thu May 30, 2019, 05:48 PM
May 2019

I am sorry that he fooled me on character. He could have cost us the election with his recklessness.

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LisaM

(27,712 posts)
81. He also wanted to limit pharmaceutical company ads.
Thu May 30, 2019, 06:36 PM
May 2019

In fact, it was one his last policy statements before everything exploded on him. Guess what they're talking about now? Limiting pharmaceutical ads.

What a waste.

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larwdem

(751 posts)
104. I supported
Thu May 30, 2019, 11:59 PM
May 2019

Sanders last time. Not this time !!!!

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Vidal

(642 posts)
105. Lots of progressives
Fri May 31, 2019, 07:13 AM
May 2019

agree with you and are supporting Liz.

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LonePirate

(13,366 posts)
6. So paranoia and the inability to perform simple math are requirements to be a supporter of his?
Thu May 30, 2019, 08:25 AM
May 2019
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thesquanderer

(11,894 posts)
8. Bad source, the Washington Times.
Thu May 30, 2019, 08:29 AM
May 2019

If you clicked through their link under the word "livid," you'd have seen that the entire section of the article that you quoted is lifted directly from the right-wing Washington Times. You might as well have posted a piece from Brietbart. That stuff is intentionally skewed against our interests, which is why the TOS here says: "Do not post content sourced from right-wing publications, authors, or pundits."

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RandySF

(56,230 posts)
9. If you go through the links, you land on the Washington Times.
Thu May 30, 2019, 08:30 AM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Response to The Blue Flower (Reply #10)

Response to Vidal (Original post)

 

JudyM

(28,976 posts)
25. +1. Glaringly obvious by other posts.
Thu May 30, 2019, 12:33 PM
May 2019
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TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
35. It's pretty transparent at this point...n/t
Thu May 30, 2019, 12:57 PM
May 2019
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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
14. With this field of strong contenders, how could the DNC pull off this alleged "sabotage"? With the..
Thu May 30, 2019, 08:40 AM
May 2019

new superdelegate changes they can't do squat unless there's a runoff.

(Not that a runoff isn't likely with this field.)

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yellowdogintexas

(21,978 posts)
32. Not a runoff; that would involve all 50 states. DNC delegates will vote
Thu May 30, 2019, 12:52 PM
May 2019

at the convention on those who are nominated.

Sometimes the first vote will have several nominees. When the state delegations cast their votes, they may decide to nominate a 'favorite son' as a place holder or yield their spot to another state to see what happens down the line. If no one has the number of delegates needed, there will be another round of voting.

This can last a long time and makes the convention much more interesting.

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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
46. That's what I mean-- under the new rules, superdelegates can't vote in...
Thu May 30, 2019, 02:47 PM
May 2019

the first round. They can vote later if no candidate is chosen, as there just may not be.

Of course there's a vast amount of politicking and dealmaking going on during the whole thing.

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True Blue American

(17,935 posts)
60. The Primaries are going to decide
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:39 PM
May 2019

The canditate. How will they pull that off with 24 people running?

Bernie’s supporters are sinking him.

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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
89. It will be interesting-- that huge list of Rs back in 15/16...
Thu May 30, 2019, 08:10 PM
May 2019

is a big part of how Trump got the nomination.

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swag

(26,475 posts)
15. The source linked in the article is the Moonie Times. This is just RW media ratfuckery.
Thu May 30, 2019, 08:51 AM
May 2019
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MineralMan

(146,029 posts)
16. By the convention, Sanders might not even be a factor.
Thu May 30, 2019, 11:58 AM
May 2019

It's a little early to start threatening disruption it seems to me. It's also not a good look for Sanders at this point in the campaign. The smell of flop sweat can be detected from a great distance.

Ms. Cestnick, I think, is getting a bit ahead of herself.

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Vidal

(642 posts)
17. I agree
Thu May 30, 2019, 12:05 PM
May 2019

Yes, what she is quoted as saying does not really help anything, especially her candidate at this point.

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MineralMan

(146,029 posts)
19. Is she part of the Sanders staff?
Thu May 30, 2019, 12:11 PM
May 2019

Or is she just talking out of her ass?

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George II

(67,782 posts)
28. She is the person who organized the protests at the Democratic National Convention.
Thu May 30, 2019, 12:42 PM
May 2019
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MineralMan

(146,029 posts)
39. Yes, I saw that. I just wondered if she's officially connected
Thu May 30, 2019, 01:55 PM
May 2019

to the Sanders campaign.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
38. Activist. Here's Cestnick saying most Sanders supporters
Thu May 30, 2019, 01:49 PM
May 2019

would refuse to vote for our nominee and that they were waiting for Sanders to run as a third-party candidate if Sanders' own bizarrely deluded plan to have our superdelegates effectively steal the election from the popular vote and name him the nominee didn't succeed.

Dishonorable and anti-democracy as most would agree this would be, and crazy as even imagining it could succeed was, it was Sanders' plan, which they supported. They didn't just imagine it.

Of course 3/4 of Sanders' primary voters were perfectly sane and DID vote for Hillary -- as they'd always intended. This person merely hoped she wasn't only speaking for that deplorable quarter like her who did vote Trump or third-party.



Of course, this apparently irredeemable minority of wingnuts is now promising various media to repeat 2016 all over again -- but louder. They're willing to follow Sanders where others won't go, though, and they of course don't speak for those normal Democrats who currently see him merely as one of their choices among Democrats.

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MineralMan

(146,029 posts)
40. Thanks. So, just talking out of her ass, then.
Thu May 30, 2019, 01:56 PM
May 2019

Never mind.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
44. The Dexit "movement" of a quarter of Sanders' primary voters,
Thu May 30, 2019, 02:16 PM
May 2019

plus inviting many others to join, wasn't just noise, though. Analyses of primary voters alone show that if he had calmed the spite and disaffection he had fostered enough to keep them voting Democrat, Hillary would be president.

Plus, they're probably far outnumbered by others disaffected into not voting by the same lies about Democratic Party corruption. Sanders didn't succeed in getting elected, but a whole lot of foolish people believed his message (augmented by Russia) that we were no better than the Republicans and thus that they had no one to believe in and vote for.

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MineralMan

(146,029 posts)
45. I agree. Senator Sanders delayed his support for Hillary far too long.
Thu May 30, 2019, 02:34 PM
May 2019

That fomented the movement away from voting or voting for a third-party candidate.

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Gothmog

(142,856 posts)
62. sanders is running 5th in South Carolina and so might not get any delegates due to 15% rule
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:42 PM
May 2019

There are a good number of states where sanders might not get any delegates due to the 15% rule

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obamanut2012

(25,841 posts)
18. I'm not even a Democrat and am not fond of him
Thu May 30, 2019, 12:06 PM
May 2019

And never have been. I backed HRC in 2016, and any planks left in the bridge I had with Senator Sanders was completely torched by how he didn't reign in his supporters and how he did not enthusiastically back HRC.

If he won the nom, I would vote for him, but thank goodness he won't.

And, re: the "DNC candidate": Biden will never, ever get a vote from me in a primary because of Anita Hill, but will definitely get a vote from me for the GE. He just better name Harris or Warren as his VP.

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peggysue2

(10,740 posts)
21. If that were to happen, Bernie Sanders would be a forever pariah . . .
Thu May 30, 2019, 12:15 PM
May 2019

within the Democratic Party, regardless of how many times he voted with the party's caucus. His ideas and proposed programs would all be dumped into the trash bin and his name would be synonymous with 'spoiler.'

Even suggesting this sort of action is damaging to the race towards 2020. So either this is being presented by trolls or the Sanders' campaign doesn't have a speck of common sense.

That being said, MM may be absolutely right. The Senator from Vermont may be a non element long before the convention.

But this? Is plain nuts with the clear and present danger of another Trump Administration hanging over our heads.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
43. It did happen. About a quarter of Sanders' voters "Dexited"
Thu May 30, 2019, 02:10 PM
May 2019

literally or just by voting out of spite for Trump (12%), not voting (2%) or going third party (the remainder). And Sanders really did violate our principles of democracy by asking the superdelegates to set aside the popular vote, in effect disenfranchising 16 million Democrats, to effectively appoint him the nominee.

So, "forever pariah." You bet. These overly ardent and under-principled whackadoodles are already finding themselves much more on their own this time, far less able to make trouble, and that's why they're angry so early. The Sanders legacy will be Trump and the Republican majorities, and his name in thick history books will be found in footnotes to Trump's election. (Just one!)

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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,161 posts)
27. Attacks Sanders supporters then complains Sanders supporters don't toe the line.
Thu May 30, 2019, 12:38 PM
May 2019

Makes sense.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
29. By "toe the line" is assume you mean "not harrass" those
Thu May 30, 2019, 12:44 PM
May 2019

who are not Sanders or his supporters and instead "engage them respectfully?"

I guess Bernie was telling them to "toe the line" as well.



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Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
53. Toe the line???
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:23 PM
May 2019

Meaning supporting the Democratic nominee whom ever that is?

Why do you have a problem with that?

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LibFarmer

(772 posts)
82. Do you mean tow the line? nt
Thu May 30, 2019, 06:39 PM
May 2019
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tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
85. The phrase is...
Thu May 30, 2019, 06:56 PM
May 2019

toe the line. It has nothing to do with towing it is about where you put your toes.

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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,161 posts)
93. Thanks. As in line up in formation ( on a line )
Thu May 30, 2019, 09:08 PM
May 2019

A rather minor pet peeve when people use tow.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
98. We are not asking anyone to toe the line. We are asking them to not make shit up.
Thu May 30, 2019, 10:31 PM
May 2019

Democratic voters will decide our nominee as they always do, one vote at a time.

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Cuthbert Allgood

(4,753 posts)
30. Well as long as "Some Bernie backers" are indicating this, let's lose our goddamned minds.
Thu May 30, 2019, 12:45 PM
May 2019

Let's also not forget that a higher percentage of Sanders supporters voted for Clinton in 2016 than Clinton supporters voted for Obama in 2008.

But, yeah, keep slamming Sanders supporters and then act shocked that they don't like you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

comradebillyboy

(10,079 posts)
31. It happened in 2016 it may very well happen again in 2020.
Thu May 30, 2019, 12:48 PM
May 2019

Bernie and his people have a track record we can look at and draw our own conclusions. I don't really trust Sanders to do the right thing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
33. Interesting that the founder of Occupy DNC and yet another Stein supporter is already out there....
Thu May 30, 2019, 12:54 PM
May 2019

promoting garbage this cycle.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

JustAnotherGen

(31,502 posts)
58. Yeps - she reminds me of the PUMA folks in 2008
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:34 PM
May 2019

This article is from June of 2008 - and it explores why there was anger in 2008.

https://www.salon.com/2008/06/23/pumas/

1. They are angry because their candidate lost a close contest.
2. They are angry because their historic opportunity is over.
3. They are angry about rumors that Obama may choose a woman other than Hillary Clinton as his running mate. (Insert - the eventual nominee picks someone other than Sanders).


******************


I'm undecided - but Sanders is in my short list of those I will not even consider. If say it comes down to him, Gravel, Gabbard, Williamson in June 2020 (when my state's Primary is held) I just won't vote in the Primary. I also won't run a second term for the township Democratic Committee because I don't want to be obligated to campaign for these folks or put a sign in my yard.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
37. There are several threats from the Dem 'left' that could be costly to Dems
Thu May 30, 2019, 01:01 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
41. Should that happen, it would be even more ineffectual than last time.
Thu May 30, 2019, 02:06 PM
May 2019

in the here and now, as long as they keep screaming for revolution, the fringe will remain the fringe.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(142,856 posts)
47. Democrats worry Bernie Sanders won't be a team player if he loses nomination
Thu May 30, 2019, 02:48 PM
May 2019

I was in Philadelphia as a Clinton delegate and I saw this first hand




The Democrats worry that Sanders won’t be a team player if he loses, and that he and his supporters will be particularly problematic if Biden or another rival seen as out of step with progressives comes out on top.

“I think Bernie will do everything in his power to elevate himself by pushing others down,” said one aide to a Democratic senator.

A senior aide to a second Democratic senator said concerns about Sanders dividing the party next year are widely held, even though everyone in the Senate Democratic Conference is holding their tongue for fear of making things even worse.

Some Democrats have blamed Sanders in part for that outcome, arguing he stayed in the primary against Clinton too long and that he did not do enough to bring his supporters on board in November.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Vidal

(642 posts)
52. This shows why many Democrats don't have trust
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:22 PM
May 2019

they fear something like this will happen

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(142,856 posts)
63. I was a Clinton delegate to the National Convention in Philadelphia
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:50 PM
May 2019

I saw what happened there up close. sanders sent one very weak text the Sunday night before the convention and then did little or nothing to control his delegates. It was nasty I was there when the sanders delegates booed Congressman John Lewis. I was warned about this stunt 30 minutes before it happened by the Clinton campaign whip. According to my whip, sanders was asked to stop this event and declined. If sanders is still viable come the Super Tuesday primaries, this incident may show up in some ads.

I was at the Texas delegation breakfast when a group of sanders delegates marched in and demanded that we condemn Clinton and change our votes to sanders.




sanders spoke to the Texas delegation the next morning and his speech was again solely about himself. There was a mini-riot due to his delegates the prior morning and the only thing that sanders talked about was himself. sanders did nothing to deal with the fact that his delegates were out of control and did nothing to try to help Hillary Clinton win the general election.

Finally a group of sanders delegates yelled at my daughter and called her the c-Word because she would not try to get me to change my vote. Again sanders was asked to tell his delegates to behave during the convention and sanders refused

Again, I saw first hand what happened in Philadelphia. I can see this happening but luckily sanders may have far fewer delegates due to the 15% rule and the number of candidates running
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Eliot Rosewater

(31,056 posts)
55. We know what he will do, dont we. More importantly what MANY of his followers will do.
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:26 PM
May 2019

sigh

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
50. Well,
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:20 PM
May 2019

here we go again!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Vidal

(642 posts)
54. I really hope not
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:23 PM
May 2019

it would be bad

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

woodsprite

(11,806 posts)
57. Than they're no better than the Republicans.
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:32 PM
May 2019

And I was a Sanders supporter in the primaries, a Hillary supporter in the 2016 general.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

liberal N proud

(60,217 posts)
92. No different than the trumpkins
Thu May 30, 2019, 08:56 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sienna86

(2,147 posts)
64. And the Russians pay people to sow discord
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:50 PM
May 2019

We are hurting ourselves. Please don’t help out the Republicans by promoting this stuff.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,306 posts)
65. I may be naive but I still don't quite understand exactly how the DNC "sabotaged" Sanders in 2016
Thu May 30, 2019, 04:00 PM
May 2019

It seemed pretty simple to me. He just didn't win enough primary votes to become the nominee- and it had nothing to do with Superdelegates either. And if even if the DNC didn't have a fond opinion of him, well, they still let him run in their party when they didn't have to and they didn't have control over primary voters. I still encounter a lot of FB friends whom seriously think Bernie was robbed of the nomination in 2016 and still hate the DNC over it to this day. I don't get very far with challenging their views either. I just hope they don't mess things up in 2020.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Vidal

(642 posts)
68. He just didn't win enough primary votes to become the nominee
Thu May 30, 2019, 04:21 PM
May 2019

what else can be said? Wish they'd get over it and focus on beating Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MaryMagdaline

(6,842 posts)
67. These people they are quoting cannot be Bernie supporters. Already conceding defeat?????
Thu May 30, 2019, 04:21 PM
May 2019

Planning to obstruct the convention when they lose??? These people have to be bots. No one could be a Bernie supporter and truly say these things when the primaries are wide open now for anyone to win.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Vidal

(642 posts)
70. Playing the refs
Thu May 30, 2019, 04:44 PM
May 2019

once again, they are claiming unfair treatment. they aren't conceding defeat, just trying to change the rules of the game.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MaryMagdaline

(6,842 posts)
78. Good point. You are probably correct.
Thu May 30, 2019, 06:20 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

myohmy2

(3,115 posts)
72. the way I see it...
Thu May 30, 2019, 05:01 PM
May 2019

...Bernie and trump both identified the major GOP/Dem created problem of our time: 40 years of trading good-paying Union manufacturing jobs for cheap plastic buckets from China...deindustrialization and the decimation of our middle-class...

...we knew if trump got elected he would attack the problem by keeping the 1% who created the problem firmly in charge...we also knew if Bernie got elected he would have attacked the problem by kicking the shit out of the 1%...Obama had a chance to kick the 1%'s ass in 2008, to be another FDR, but he chose not to...Bernie would have been another FDR...

...if Bernie was allowed to get the nomination in 2016 and won the election we would be in an altogether different place today...so now, it appears we may be on our way to nominating another kumbaya candidate,

" Sanders backers already mistrust polls that show Mr. Biden with a commanding lead and the news organizations that have put a spotlight on the former VP since he joined the race April 25. "

...the middle-class doesn't need 40 more years in the economic wilderness by those who created the problem in the first place...another free-trading kumbaya candidate won't cut it...people will stick with trump...they'll have no choice...

...we don't seem to learn from our mistakes...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,780 posts)
73. This isn't 2016. Even if they revolt, I doubt it will work
Thu May 30, 2019, 05:10 PM
May 2019

People will legitimately question whether Russian or pro-Trump operatives were behind such a move.

I have no idea at this point whether we will have free and fair elections in 2020, and if so, whether the power of incumbency will save Trump. I do know that, at this point, you are either for Trump or you are against him. There is little to no middle ground, and people understand that a lot is at stake. The foundation of the Republic has cracks. America can choose to make repairs or do nothing and watch the structure collapse.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Turbineguy

(37,009 posts)
74. Save trump the trouble.
Thu May 30, 2019, 05:15 PM
May 2019

Then he can actually claim truthfully that he got no help from the Russians.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

nini

(16,670 posts)
75. Of course they will
Thu May 30, 2019, 05:32 PM
May 2019

I have no doubt who they really work for.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Nuggets

(525 posts)
77. Let them
Thu May 30, 2019, 05:49 PM
May 2019

Let the world see who they are. It won’t work out well for them.


Just like the T totalers, their way or no way.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bradshaw3

(7,429 posts)
80. The person they quoted sounds like a Dunning-Kruger type
Thu May 30, 2019, 06:34 PM
May 2019

“People are becoming more upset and becoming more firm behind Bernie due to mainstream media ..." When hit with facts and reason that don't fit into their preconceived worldview, they double down. The candidates who have the most to complain about media coverage are the females in the race.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

stopbush

(24,315 posts)
83. IMO, Sanders will be out of it long before the convention, at least vote-wise.
Thu May 30, 2019, 06:40 PM
May 2019

That said, if he has the $, he will hang around as long as possible, and he will start bad-mouthing and go negative on the leading D candidates, just as he did with Hillary in 2016.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mcar

(42,100 posts)
87. Do they not understand the concept of losing?
Thu May 30, 2019, 07:33 PM
May 2019

This is ridiculous. Again.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
100. I have dealt with people like them.
Thu May 30, 2019, 10:44 PM
May 2019

They have a totalitarian mindset, just from the left instead of the right. They don't believe in compromise, even if you are 100% on their side of things, it is what they want EXACTLY as they want it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
94. I know a few and they are completely convinced Bernie won California in 2016
Thu May 30, 2019, 09:37 PM
May 2019

and had it "stolen" from him. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Why are they so sure of all this nonsense? I honestly don't know but they are also certain that every word Sanders utters is gospel truth, so that might be part of the problem.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Vidal

(642 posts)
95. "they are certain that every word Sanders utters is gospel truth, so that might be the problem"
Thu May 30, 2019, 09:49 PM
May 2019

you are so right about that, and it is very puzzling to me. Similar to Trumpsters in that respect.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
99. Yes, there's a similar media bubble they rely on
Thu May 30, 2019, 10:37 PM
May 2019

that promotes every anti-Dem conspiracy going. The Nation, Pacifica, Common Dreams, CounterPunch, lots of new ones and a few I used to read regularly but haven't bothered to in years. They're fine when there's a wingnut in office but they were absolutely appalling to Obama and Clinton. Every Facebook meme that came down the pike they jumped on and pushed hard. I'm sure they will treat Biden with equal objectivity.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Historic NY

(37,407 posts)
101. Again, how many will then vote for Trump again.
Thu May 30, 2019, 10:45 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
102. And we will Revolt their Asses to the Front Door!
Thu May 30, 2019, 11:03 PM
May 2019

Not this time. Not happening.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Deb

(3,740 posts)
103. Someone drank the collude-aid.
Thu May 30, 2019, 11:15 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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