
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:25 PM
Vidal (642 posts)
Second Choices: Bernie or Biden? (Asking for a friend)
Recently a friend (a huge Bernie Supporter) wrote to me the following:
"When some of these candidates drop out of the race where are their supporters going to turn? All the "non-Biden" candidates are significantly left of center compared to Biden. Why would they abandon this Progressive stance to support him? His policies are diametrically opposed to most of the policies of these other candidates." His conclusion is that as many candidates drop out, their supporters will flock to Bernie. This means Bernie's true support is much higher than the polls show. Is this right? Can anyone back that up with data? Thanks!
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
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Vidal | May 2019 | OP |
samnsara | May 2019 | #1 | |
DownriverDem | May 2019 | #15 | |
Sherman A1 | May 2019 | #2 | |
LanternWaste | May 2019 | #3 | |
BlueTsunami2018 | May 2019 | #4 | |
left-of-center2012 | May 2019 | #5 | |
Celerity | May 2019 | #6 | |
Vidal | May 2019 | #9 | |
highplainsdem | May 2019 | #7 | |
Vidal | May 2019 | #11 | |
Skya Rhen | May 2019 | #8 | |
George II | May 2019 | #10 | |
Vidal | May 2019 | #12 | |
seaglass | May 2019 | #13 | |
thesquanderer | May 2019 | #14 |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:28 PM
samnsara (16,291 posts)
1. this is what happened last election..if i remember correctly..
...we need ..MUST..support whomever is the dem nod..yes even if its bernie...OR biden...
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to samnsara (Reply #1)
Thu May 30, 2019, 04:49 PM
DownriverDem (5,527 posts)
15. Depends
on if folks support true members of the Democratic Party.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:31 PM
Sherman A1 (38,958 posts)
2. I will support whom ever is the nominee
Frankly I would support a cardboard box 📦 over the current administration. As to second choices, it’s too early to decide.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:33 PM
LanternWaste (37,748 posts)
3. It's your friend's responsibility to support his own premise with evidence.
Let us know what his finding, and cite the objective sources too, 'k?
Thanks! ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:34 PM
BlueTsunami2018 (2,472 posts)
4. His policies are not "diametrically opposed" to any of the Democratic candidates.
Your friend is a fool and has no idea what those words mean.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:36 PM
left-of-center2012 (34,150 posts)
5. I don't believe the thinking is correct
"All the 'non-Biden' candidates are significantly left of center compared to Biden."
I may be wrong but, I believe 'Mayor Pete' is pretty close to the center? ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:40 PM
Celerity (30,908 posts)
6. here is what The Morning Consult shows
https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/
Second Choices: Where Voters Could Migrate After voters registered their first choice, they were asked a follow-up about who they would choose as a second option. The results below show where the supporters for a selection of leading candidates could go next. BIDEN SUPPORTERS Second Choice Selections Bernie Sanders 29% Kamala Harris 16% Elizabeth Warren 11% SANDERS SUPPORTERS Second Choice Selections Joe Biden 33% Elizabeth Warren 19% Kamala Harris 8% WARREN SUPPORTERS Second Choice Selections Bernie Sanders 22% Kamala Harris 21% Joe Biden 17% HARRIS SUPPORTERS Second Choice Selections Joe Biden 27% Elizabeth Warren 18% Bernie Sanders 12% BUTTIGIEG SUPPORTERS Second Choice Selections Joe Biden 28% Kamala Harris 18% Elizabeth Warren 14% Who’s Leading Now The figures are broken out among Democratic primary voters nationwide and in early primary states, which includes just voters who live in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, or Nevada. The latest results are based on 16,368 interviews with registered voters, collected from May 20-26 2019. Democratic Primary Voters ![]() Early Primary State Voters ![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Celerity (Reply #6)
Thu May 30, 2019, 04:11 PM
Vidal (642 posts)
9. Awesome
Thank you so much. That is perfect.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:42 PM
highplainsdem (38,501 posts)
7. Considering how Warren's been improving in the polls, it's likely that she, rather than Bernie,
would pick up some of the supporters of any of the less successful progressive candidates that might drop out.
But I wouldn't bet against Biden picking up some of them. I've seen some recent polls with Biiden's poll numbers improving that seemed to indicate his gains were at the expense of a number of other candidates (including Sanders). If Bernie actually was going to benefit from lesser-known candidates dropping in the polls, which is already happening for most of them, his poll numbers would be going up, not down. Your Bernie-supporting friend, like many Bernie supporters, is counting on something that's very unlikely to happen. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to highplainsdem (Reply #7)
Thu May 30, 2019, 04:24 PM
Vidal (642 posts)
11. Agree
I call him the Dreamer
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:44 PM
Skya Rhen (2,701 posts)
8. Data from Morning Consult, in early May, shows Joe leading in 2nd choice
Last edited Thu May 30, 2019, 04:22 PM - Edit history (1) I believe that the most recent poll from Morning Consult shows the same trend...
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/7/1855934/-Morning-Consult-Biden-in-Commanding-and-Expanding-Lead Snip... Like the caption states, you can hover each of the major candidates and see the top 3 second choices. Every major candidate’s second choice is Biden, with the exception of Warren. Warren’s second choice is Sanders. It certainly seems like the race is consolidating around Biden and Sanders. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Thu May 30, 2019, 04:12 PM
George II (67,782 posts)
10. Your friend is way too optimistic. With Biden way out in front....
....it's logical that if anyone's candidate drops out many of his/her supporters will flock to Biden.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to George II (Reply #10)
Thu May 30, 2019, 04:25 PM
Vidal (642 posts)
12. Biden appears more likely to benefit
the way things look now, there will be a migration toward Biden, and if Warren and Sanders stay in, they will split progressive vote.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Thu May 30, 2019, 04:30 PM
seaglass (8,139 posts)
13. It's not true for me. If both Warren and Harris dropped out there would be a long line of
candidates I would support before either Biden or Sanders.
People don't always vote on just policy. Character matters too. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Thu May 30, 2019, 04:32 PM
thesquanderer (11,334 posts)
14. Some data on "second choices"
from https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/
Leading second choice for Warren supporters is Sanders at 22%. Leading second choice for Harris supporters is Biden at 27%. Leading second choice for Buttigieg supporters is Biden at 28%. Most of the others currently poll so low that where their supporters go hardly matters. But if they HAD to choose to go to Sanders or Biden, to get to your premise, maybe the more left-ish ones go to Sanders, but I think most of the ones that aren't gaining traction are NOT to the left of Biden by much if at all. I do not consider Klobuchar, Gillibrand, Hickenlooper, O'Rourke, Delaney, Castro to be left-ish people whose supporters would naturally tend to be more aligned with Sanders than Biden, I tend to give those supporters to Biden if it came down to it. Sanders maybe gets more of Inslee, Booker, Yang...? ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |