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Mon Jun 3, 2019, 05:52 PM

 

Page: Joe Biden should tout his role in the 1994 crime bill -- not hide from it

As one who followed and wrote about the crime bill debate, I see no reason for Biden to be defensive about it, flawed as it may appear to be now, some 25 years later.

it is important to remember the high level of public fear, rage and consternation that boiled through the electorate at the time. The constant drumbeat — or gunshots — of gang wars, crack cocaine overdoses and drive-by shootings dominated headlines.

In response, Clinton, Biden, Republican Rep. Jack Brooks of Texas and other lawmakers pulled together a bipartisan consensus to produce the largest anti-crime bill in American history — a sprawling $30 billion package that included such wide-ranging remedies as tougher sentencing, more police on the streets, prison construction, drug treatment programs and community policing. The bill also included a 10-year ban on assault-style weapons that expired in 2004 after gun proponents strongly opposed its renewal.

And crime went down, right? Yes, crime rates went down, but a debate immediately rose up as to whether and how the crime bill had something to do with it. Was it the attack on root causes that liberals preferred or was it the tougher sentencing that conservatives wanted?

That debate goes on. As one source, PolitiFact, put it this past week, “Over the decades, no credible analyst has cast the 1994 crime bill as the trigger for mass incarceration.”

Instead, U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics indicates the 1994 bill was part of a trend that already was underway at the state level. Incarceration rates rose much faster for blacks than for whites, according to the BJS, but that trend began in the mid-1980s and has continued into this century.

Berkeley law professor Franklin Zimring, author of the 2006 book “The Great American Crime Decline,” knocked down the various theories associating the crime drop with the economy, more police, higher imprisonment, more abortions and other popular theories on both political sides and concluded that, alas, it was a combination of many different factors and no single magic bullet or two that explained the drop.

Now, 25 years after the crime bill’s passage, political trends have swung in the other direction, with even conservative states such as Texas beginning to release nonviolent offenders or find alternative sentencing that’s less expensive than prisons and more likely to help ex-offenders re-enter society.

President Barack Obama initiated some reforms in drug prosecutions and sentencing for nonviolent crimes. So has President Trump, whether he mentions Obama’s efforts or not. Instead of trying to hide from his crime bill, candidate Biden would be wise to own it.

After all, it was supported by the Congressional Black Caucus and by Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., who similarly had to answer for his vote under questioning by fellow progressives during his 2016 presidential run.

Democrats, among others, would be wise to follow the advice of Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina, who during an appearance on Chris Cuomo’s CNN show cautioned fellow Democrats to temper their anger and “do a little more research and see exactly how we got to where we are.”

Indeed, that’s good advice for anybody who is trying to figure out where they’re going.


https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/clarence-page/ct-perspec-page-joe-biden-1994-crime-bill-20190531-story.html
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Reply Page: Joe Biden should tout his role in the 1994 crime bill -- not hide from it (Original post)
Vidal Jun 2019 OP
LakeArenal Jun 2019 #1
mtnsnake Jun 2019 #2
Blue_true Jun 2019 #6
left-of-center2012 Jun 2019 #3
Midnight Writer Jun 2019 #4
Blue_true Jun 2019 #5
Cha Jun 2019 #7

Response to Vidal (Original post)

Mon Jun 3, 2019, 05:56 PM

1. Is he "hiding" from it or only being accused of hiding from it.

 

Cuz you and I know, Joe is no hider.

Either way, he’s my dude.
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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Mon Jun 3, 2019, 06:09 PM

2. Maybe Biden shouldn't hide from it, but Page is nuts if he thinks Biden should tout it.

 

Page probably thinks Bill Clinton should have touted the blowjob he got from Monica Lewinsky, too.
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Response to mtnsnake (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 3, 2019, 11:57 PM

6. The conditions that existed in some neighborhoods were grotesque.

 

If Senator Sanders attack Biden on the crime bill, Biden should recount the conditions that existed when that bill was written, those conditions were horrible in some places, young kids being killed almost weekly by stray bullets. People afraid to walk to the store or spend time outside. People putting hard shields over their windows so as not to be killed by a stray bullet. That was the reality Biden faced when he helped write the crime bill and what Hillary saw when she promoted it as First Lady.

The bill had some features that have become gold standards for safe cities, like community policing and recreational activities for young people. And yes, it had features like long sentences for repeat offenses that don't deserve long sentences under any conditions. And it did not address elimination of the mindless war on drugs, but in that era the majority of Americans thought marijuana should be illegal.

One of the issues that I have, particularly with Senator Sanders is his tendency to frame honest, sound efforts in an earlier era as evil because they did not work perfectly. But if one looks at Senator Sanders congressional career, he NEVER put himself out to solve problems through legistlation that were not vastly popular, like the Veterans bill that he ÇO-authored. The crime bill and the violence against women act were tough hauls, when the VAW was written for example, most of the country still though that a violent man beating the shit out of his wife or girlfriend was none of society's business.
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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Mon Jun 3, 2019, 06:13 PM

3. Looks like a long winded hit piece on Joe

 

Doubt many read it.
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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Mon Jun 3, 2019, 07:47 PM

4. There is a theory that the Roe decision lowered the crime rate.

 

The crime rate started dropping about 20 years after abortion was legalized. Could it be that there were millions less unwanted, neglected, abused children coming of age?
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Mon Jun 3, 2019, 11:40 PM

5. I remember reading about what was happening in some neighborhoods from my safe home.

 

In some places people could not send their kids outside to play or let them sit on the stoop outside. Young kids were being killed by stray bullets and drive-by shootings were almost a daily occurrence. Those were the conditions under which the 94 crime bill was written and the people violently dealing drugs and shooting up neighborhoods were the people Hillary called "super predators". It is amazing how things were twisted two decades+ later to make it look like the crime bill proponents only wanted to jail Black and Brown people.
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Tue Jun 4, 2019, 02:36 AM

7. Thank you for this from Clarence Page, Vidal..

 

Democrats, among others, would be wise to follow the advice of Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina, who during an appearance on Chris Cuomo’s CNN show cautioned fellow Democrats to temper their anger and “do a little more research and see exactly how we got to where we are.

This OP lists a lot of what was going on in 1994..

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=139250
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