
Mon Jun 3, 2019, 05:52 PM
Vidal (642 posts)
Page: Joe Biden should tout his role in the 1994 crime bill -- not hide from itAs one who followed and wrote about the crime bill debate, I see no reason for Biden to be defensive about it, flawed as it may appear to be now, some 25 years later. https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/clarence-page/ct-perspec-page-joe-biden-1994-crime-bill-20190531-story.html
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Vidal | Jun 2019 | OP |
LakeArenal | Jun 2019 | #1 | |
mtnsnake | Jun 2019 | #2 | |
Blue_true | Jun 2019 | #6 | |
left-of-center2012 | Jun 2019 | #3 | |
Midnight Writer | Jun 2019 | #4 | |
Blue_true | Jun 2019 | #5 | |
Cha | Jun 2019 | #7 |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Mon Jun 3, 2019, 05:56 PM
LakeArenal (22,925 posts)
1. Is he "hiding" from it or only being accused of hiding from it.
Cuz you and I know, Joe is no hider.
Either way, he’s my dude. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Mon Jun 3, 2019, 06:09 PM
mtnsnake (22,236 posts)
2. Maybe Biden shouldn't hide from it, but Page is nuts if he thinks Biden should tout it.
Page probably thinks Bill Clinton should have touted the blowjob he got from Monica Lewinsky, too.
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Response to mtnsnake (Reply #2)
Mon Jun 3, 2019, 11:57 PM
Blue_true (31,259 posts)
6. The conditions that existed in some neighborhoods were grotesque.
If Senator Sanders attack Biden on the crime bill, Biden should recount the conditions that existed when that bill was written, those conditions were horrible in some places, young kids being killed almost weekly by stray bullets. People afraid to walk to the store or spend time outside. People putting hard shields over their windows so as not to be killed by a stray bullet. That was the reality Biden faced when he helped write the crime bill and what Hillary saw when she promoted it as First Lady.
The bill had some features that have become gold standards for safe cities, like community policing and recreational activities for young people. And yes, it had features like long sentences for repeat offenses that don't deserve long sentences under any conditions. And it did not address elimination of the mindless war on drugs, but in that era the majority of Americans thought marijuana should be illegal. One of the issues that I have, particularly with Senator Sanders is his tendency to frame honest, sound efforts in an earlier era as evil because they did not work perfectly. But if one looks at Senator Sanders congressional career, he NEVER put himself out to solve problems through legistlation that were not vastly popular, like the Veterans bill that he ÇO-authored. The crime bill and the violence against women act were tough hauls, when the VAW was written for example, most of the country still though that a violent man beating the shit out of his wife or girlfriend was none of society's business. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Vidal (Original post)
Mon Jun 3, 2019, 06:13 PM
left-of-center2012 (34,150 posts)
3. Looks like a long winded hit piece on Joe
Doubt many read it.
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Response to Vidal (Original post)
Mon Jun 3, 2019, 07:47 PM
Midnight Writer (16,652 posts)
4. There is a theory that the Roe decision lowered the crime rate.
The crime rate started dropping about 20 years after abortion was legalized. Could it be that there were millions less unwanted, neglected, abused children coming of age?
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Response to Vidal (Original post)
Mon Jun 3, 2019, 11:40 PM
Blue_true (31,259 posts)
5. I remember reading about what was happening in some neighborhoods from my safe home.
In some places people could not send their kids outside to play or let them sit on the stoop outside. Young kids were being killed by stray bullets and drive-by shootings were almost a daily occurrence. Those were the conditions under which the 94 crime bill was written and the people violently dealing drugs and shooting up neighborhoods were the people Hillary called "super predators". It is amazing how things were twisted two decades+ later to make it look like the crime bill proponents only wanted to jail Black and Brown people.
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Response to Vidal (Original post)
Tue Jun 4, 2019, 02:36 AM
Cha (277,698 posts)
7. Thank you for this from Clarence Page, Vidal..
Democrats, among others, would be wise to follow the advice of Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina, who during an appearance on Chris Cuomo’s CNN show cautioned fellow Democrats to temper their anger and “do a little more research and see exactly how we got to where we are.”
This OP lists a lot of what was going on in 1994.. https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=139250 ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |