Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumElizabeth Warren's Big Break From 30 Years Of Pro-Corporate Trade Policy
I'm sorry to be so blunt, but she's pretty darn amazing. The energy, sincerity and brilliance of this woman is beyond refreshing. Eleanor Roosevelt?
Try FDR...
Its time to get over the 1990s.
by Zach Carter
Huffpost: https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5cf5fc3fe4b0e346ce83b31a
America chose to pursue a trade policy that prioritized the interests of capital over the interests of American workers, Warren told a crowd in Detroit Tuesday. We have encouraged companies to invest abroad, ship jobs overseas, and keep wages low. All in the interest of serving multinational companies and international capital with no particular loyalty to the United States.
What matters in Warrens vision is not the specifics of any particular trade tool or enforcement tactic. Warren isnt pro-tariff or anti-tariff, for instance. It depends on the tariff. Shes in favor of international rules that are designed to achieve actual policy goals other than corporate profit. What we call free trade, she emphasizes, isnt really a system where governments get out of the way. The rules of international commerce determine its outcomes ― and there is no such thing as a trade regime without rules. When governments agreed to grant 20-year monopolies on life-saving medicines under WTO treaties, for instance, they were not simply allowing nature to take its course they were setting up a system.
In Warrens telling, this was not an accident or a tactical failure. It was a deliberate ideological agenda. By the 1990s, a bipartisan consensus had emerged in Washington which maintained that global peace and prosperity were best supported by an international trade regime in which governments got out of the way and let markets work their magic. Trade would expand, wealth would accumulate, and international comity would ensue. Trade did expand and wealth did in fact accumulate ― increasingly, in the hands of a narrow community of corporate shareholders, at the expense of public health, environmental conservation and worker wages. This was an act of geopolitics, not the verdict of natural science or the intractable demand of human progress.
Globalization isnt some mysterious force whose effects are inevitable and beyond our control, Warren said. The truth is that Washington policies ― not unstoppable market forces ― are a key driver of the problems American workers face.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)(and Howard Taft who broke up even more monopolies than Teddy).
Warren is the type of progressive capitalist that Stiglitz has been writing about.
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calimary
(81,220 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)East/West coast sandwich. Inslee with the strong environmental messaging
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
calimary
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As a new grandma, I worry more than ever about what kind of planet she (my granddaughter) and all the other little babies in her generation will have.
Good Grief how fucking shortsighted things are being run these days!
Im sorry its come to this, but its clearer and clearer to me that all the jobs in the world and all the affordable health care in the world wont mean squat if our planet is burning up.
Those in denial seem also to be primarily GOP, conservative, dismissive of science, and against immigration and immigrants - especially those who dont look or talk like them. The accelerating climate crisis is going to render more land uninhabitable, which is going to create legions more homeless who will be driven to migration - and where are they going to go? And too many people in a position to start doing something definitive about it refuse to accept the reality of the crisis. And there tends to be far more of that head-in-the-sand attitude among the GOP than among the Dems.
Yet another reason why we cant lose hope or let ourselves get discouraged. We HAVE TO stay engaged and vote like our lives depend on it. Our planets life certainly does.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
msongs
(67,395 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)Reminds me of Bill Clinton in that respect.
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marylandblue
(12,344 posts)But technology created globalization, so there is no stopping it. It was always a question of what kind of globalization we would have. And for too long both parties agreed there was only one kind.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Technology is driving globalization and that trend will only accelerate.
So, how do governments cope and deliver economic justice for all of their citizens, not just the ones at the top?
In my view, the largest problem is big corporations playing national and state governments against eachother to wring out big tax breaks to locate/relocate facilities or to avoid paying fair income taxes. That stuff must be ended, in both the interests of all people in the world and business itself. Nationalism that is growing worldwide is serious, the current focus is on immigrants, but even rightwing extremists are starting to claim that business is screwing people. When there is agreement against business across a broad political spectrum, the physical safety of businesspeople and their ability to live in communities will be endangered, so it is in the best interest of business to stop beating down attempts to fix income inequality and work with governments to develop a working solution to the problem.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Hope she fleshes this out a bit more and tells us which ones of trumps tariffs shes against.
I do agree distribution of wealth needs revision, but not through economic patriotism! which sounds way too much like America First.
Some of her ideas are excellent, then theres this junk.
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Turin_C3PO
(13,964 posts)Shes not proposing protectionism or crazy tariffs like Trump is doing. Free trade must be fair trade.
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Hoyt
(54,770 posts)share or resources and wealth from foreign countries. Tariffs hurt foreign workers, and hurts ours as well.
America First is not something Im interested in, and it helped get us trump.
If its good for you, thats fine.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Turin_C3PO
(13,964 posts)And Im not against other countries becoming more developed. Im pro-globalization, against tariffs generally. I just think that certain trade policies should be looked at and Im willing to hear Warrens ideas out.
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Hoyt
(54,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)If it reaches rural Americans, it works. Progressives know what she's talking about already a humanly regulated economy
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(92,141 posts)distribution of wealth needs revision, and some of her ideas are excellent, but there is still a lot of questions on how she hope to get this distribution of wealth revision.
I don't believe you can undo globalization, the world's economies are too interlinked now
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,141 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yaesu
(8,020 posts)as they need to last ten years or more before US companies will invest capital into expanding production, new equipment, ect... tRumps tariffs only last as long as he's president so they won't create jobs, just raise prices.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(92,141 posts)or partial trade wars
Probably the best example of this was the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act, which led to retaliation from other countries, and caused exports from America to fall by over 60%. We were just coming out of the Great Depression when that happened, and it not only stalled the economic recovery from that depression, but drove us deeper into it.
We disagree. Tariffs are not a good idea in my view, and I believe history has shown they have done more damage than good
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LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Why focus on what a thing sounds like rather than what it is? Doing so seems like junk, part II.
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Hoyt
(54,770 posts)bashing of Obamas efforts at TPP, etc. That helped get us trump, and I cant believe shes bringing that junk up again with a new name.
Economic Patriotism doesnt sound good for us or the world. It sounds like another name for America First, and it has many similar elements.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
riverine
(516 posts)Obama Compares Progressive Opposition to Trade Deal to "Death Panels' as the Left Ramps Up Opposition
But the line was seen as a slap in the face to some progressives.
"It's shameful to see President Obama compare Democrats who oppose fast-tracking the TPP through Congress to Sarah Palin and the delusional 'death panels' rhetoric," said Charles Chamberlain, executive director of Democracy for America, in a statement. "Frankly, it's beneath this president to resort to such name-calling."
The speech is the latest effort in the Obama team's hard sell to progressives. A group of former Obama campaign officials have also started a pro-TPP group called the Progressive Coalition for American Jobs. On Friday, George Zornick of The Nation tweeted that Obama joined a press call with Labor Secretary Thomas Perez on Friday and criticized politicians who "send emails out to their fundraising base that they're working to stop a secret deal"a not-so-subtle shot at Warren.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/04/obama-compares-progressive-opposition-to-trade-deal-to-death-panels-as-the-left-ramps-up-opposition/446406/
For the record I am an Obama Democrat who fully supports the TPP.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
UrbScotty
(23,980 posts)I am so excited for her campaign!
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PatrickforO
(14,570 posts)and that government should merely 'get out of the way.'
Because of the primacy of the shareholder doctrine, which holds that CEOs and other C-Suite people are ONLY responsible for increasing shareholder earnings, greed runs rampant through the whole thing, unchecked by any beneficent force.
If we are going to cure the diseased root of the problem, we will dilute the fiduciary responsibility of C-Suite officers in publicly held companies to take into account not only shareholders, but the needs of workers, consumers and the environment.
What's that?
You mean Warren is ahead of us on this one? You mean her 'Accountable Capitalism Act,' introduced in August of 2018 does just that?
Wow! That Warren is really something.
She'd be a GREAT president.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Green Line
(1,123 posts)Ive called her office numerous times, both Boston and DC, nobody ever answers or returns calls, no email response, nothing. Ive called my rep, Moulton and Ed Markey, always an answer and a response. Im not impressed with her at all. Been trying for years, you can all have her, I hope shes primaried next time. Shes a total phony, her beer ad, the dog she got to run, Harley posing, saying shes Native American on her college app., and claiming it on her Harvard application. Nope, not for me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)If I rejected all my busy friends who are sluggish on returning calls, I'd have no friends. Give her a chance. She's busy for a good reason
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Green Line
(1,123 posts)Been calling for 6 years, no response ever, why do the others respond? They arent busy? 32% of voters in Mass think she should run for President, we know her better than the rest of the country, an appealing Republican could beat her here.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueMTexpat
(15,366 posts)Elizabeth.
I am not so fond of some of the whinier responses in this thread
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
backtoblue
(11,343 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)I called and got through easily and immediately to real, gosh darn human beings one in Massachusetts and the other in DC. They represent the Senator Warren, not the candidate Warren and by law could only take questions related to the Senator. They were extremely sweet and helpful.
TO CONTACT SENATOR WARREN:
Boston
2400 JFK Federal Building
15 New Sudbury Street
Boston, MA 02203
Phone: (617) 565-3170
Washington
309 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Phone: (202) 224-4543
PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE WARREN:
https://elizabethwarren.com
(Involves writing a message and providing an email. I did this and received a thank you immediately.)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided