"So Joe Biden and Republicans still support the Hyde Amendment. Luckily, we have alternatives"

[uawchild]

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"So Joe Biden and Republicans still support the Hyde Amendment. Luckily, we have alternatives"
by Kos, daily Kos Staff


"It wasn’t enough for Joe Biden to praise Dick Cheney; now he’s decided to join Republicans in still supporting the Hyde Amendment—the rule that forbids any tax dollars from being used for abortion services.

He’s always been a staunch supporter of the Hyde Amendment. “As a U.S. senator from Delaware, Biden voted against a 1977 compromise that allowed Medicaid to fund abortions that included exceptions for victims of rape and incest in addition to concerns for the life of the mother,” reports NBC News. “While the rape and incest exceptions passed in that case, Biden voted in 1981 to again remove them, in what was the most far-reaching ban on federal funds ever enacted by Congress.” Holy shit. That’s extreme shit.

Luckily, the rest of the serious Democratic candidates are on solid footing. Elizabeth Warren’s reaction to Biden’s support for the amendment was unbelievably good. Pete Buttigieg has a deft touch when discussing the topic. Bernie Sanders was unequivocal about ending the Hyde Amendment, as was (of course) Kamala Harris.

In a political climate in which red states are emboldened to assault reproductive rights with the hope that Gorsuch and Kavanaugh will deliver a death blow to Roe v. Wade, it’s tragic that there’s any daylight between our presidential contenders on the issue.

Then again, we do need to whittle the field down some more. So maybe Biden is doing everyone a favor."

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/6/6/1863085/-Joe-Biden-joins-Republicans-in-still-supporting-Hyde-Amendment-Luckily-we-have-alternatives

This bit made my brain explode:
“As a U.S. senator from Delaware, Biden voted against a 1977 compromise that allowed Medicaid to fund abortions that included exceptions for victims of rape and incest in addition to concerns for the life of the mother,” reports NBC News. “While the rape and incest exceptions passed in that case, Biden voted in 1981 to again remove them, in what was the most far-reaching ban on federal funds ever enacted by Congress.”

I had NO IDEA that Joe Biden voted AGAINST RAPE and INCEST exceptions in the anti-choice Hyde Amendment in 1977. I also had no idea that he voted in 1981 to REMOVE RAPE and INCEST exceptions that passed despite his previous vote against them.

And JUST YESTERDAY Biden states he STILL supports the Hyde Amendment? Holy Cow. Sorry, but this is 2019. The Democratic Party's official position as of 2016 is to OPPOSE the Hyde Amendment.

[customerserviceguy]

1. The GOP

would be absolutely delighted to see Joe Biden's numbers tank because of this issue. Joe is the only one who stands a chance of taking back the "blue wall" that turned its back on Hillary.

They'd paint us as the party of abortion, and that's not going to do well in flyover country.

[still_one]

2. We are the party of choice. It is in our platform. There is really no ambiguity here. Those whose

most important issue is against choice, will not vote Democratic

[Turin_C3PO]

5. Whoops, I didn't see your post!

I posted almost the same thing below lol.

[still_one]

9. Great minds think alike. News Flash!!! The Democratic Party is pro choice

[samnsara]

6. ..im confused..so they wont vote or vote gop?

...cuz Im not seeing a lot of one issue voters. Most the voters i see are evolved to the point where they can weigh a lot of issues equally.

[Turin_C3PO]

10. There's tons of evangelicals and right wing Catholics who base their vote on one issue:

Abortion. We can never reach those types and shouldn’t compromise our values in an attempt to woo them over.

[Turin_C3PO]

4. Our party absolutely is the party of choice.

This is one issue where there should be no disagreement among Democrats. Women’s bodies are not political footballs.

[customerserviceguy]

7. There's a fundamental difference

between allowing something, and providing something. I have the right to publish what I think, but the government doesn't owe me a printing press.

[Turin_C3PO]

8. So screw poor and minority women if they can't afford an abortion?

No thank you. I’ll stick with our 2016 Democratic Platform Position which is to overturn the Hyde amendment.

I think Joe Biden will walk back his support of the amendment.

[customerserviceguy]

11. Then he looks

politically expedient, like Gillibrand, who used to be an NRA supporter.

[Turin_C3PO]

13. He would but I believe he has to risk that.

He can’t afford to lose the endorsement of NARAL and other pro-choice organizations.

[BannonsLiver]

15. Let's say he doesn't walk it back and is the eventual nominee.

Who will NARAL endorse in that scenario?

[Skya Rhen]

25. They will encourage people to stay home or vote 3rd party, which

translates into votes for Trump and then everyone will feel good about themselves...

[uawchild]

18. Biden's Gaffe can't be unsaid

"Michael Kinsley: Meanwhile, a gaffe, it has been said, is when a politician tells the truth — or more precisely, when he or she accidentally reveals something truthful about what is going on in his or her head. A gaffe is what happens when the spin breaks down.”

The other Democratic Presidential candidates have already called out Joe Biden on his latest statement supporting the Hyde Amendment. That horse has left the barn.

[uawchild]

16. "I think Joe Biden will walk back his support of the amendment."

That's exactly what everyone thought Joe Biden was doing when he seemed to suggest he would be changing his position on the Hyde Amendment last week to be AGAINST it.

Then yesterday he walked THAT back, saying he misheard the question and that he still SUPPORTS the Hyde Amendment.

Is it even possible for Biden to "walk back" his position now, after the blistering firestorm of criticism from his fellow Democratic candidates?

[BlueMTexpat]

26. Things like this

make me VERY wary of Joe.

[thesquanderer]

20. If he doesn't walk it back, will you switch your support to someone else? nt

[Turin_C3PO]

21. I don't know.

I still believe he’s our best bet at unseating Trump.

[still_one]

12. Using that logic, they have a right to access health care, but if they can't afford it, f**k em

Not meaning to be offensive, but to make a point here

[thesquanderer]

19. re:"Joe is the only one who stands a chance of taking back the blue wall that turned its back on HRC

I disagree.

I think Trump loses every state he lost to Hillary. So it comes down to winning MI, WI, PA. (Or alternatively, OH, FL.)

Latest polling...

Michigan:

Biden and Sanders both beat trump by 12 points. (Buttigieg by 6, Warren and Harris by less.)

Pennsylvania:

Biden beats Trump by 11, Sanders beats Trump by 7. (Warren and Buttigieg by less, Harris a tie.)

Wisconsin:

Biden beats Trump by 8, Sanders and Warren beat Trump by 4. (Harris a tie, Buttigieg wasn't in that poll.)

Of course a lot can change, and yes, Biden is in the strongest position... but based on those numbers, Biden is not the only one who can beat Trump.

[customerserviceguy]

29. I like Pete

and admire his speaking abilities. But I don't think we can win with him on the top spot in the general.

[MarcA]

30. In 2016 drumph had a lot of anti-Clinton attitude going for him. n/t

[thesquanderer]

31. Yup. This time, I think anyone who can take MI, WI, and PA wins it.

And I think we have numerous Dems who can do that.

[shanny]

23. I call BS.

Maybe the "only one" ....according to Forbes.

[samnsara]

3. i still suppprt Joe because i feel hes the only one who can beat trump and from DAY 1...

....will get us back on the right track. I feel these attacks are beneath us all. Not even clever attempts. One issue voting is dangerous and, i feel, irresponsible. We see this on the other side.. I like to think our side is more socially evolved than 'them'.

[customerserviceguy]

14. The non-Biden candidates

have been looking for something to drag Joe down for weeks, and they think they finally have it. They'll spend their time at the debate attacking Biden, and not so much on Trump.

The GOP will watch this with great amusement.

[Thekaspervote]

17. And they won't even have to fire a shot or spend a dime...

Those who keep whacking away at this... are you going to be okay with the fact that you helped dotard win re-election??

[Nay]

22. Frankly, the non-Biden candidates (and voters in general) haven't had to look long or far for

unnerving items about Biden. They were enumerated during his former presidential runs and are hardly big news. I do hope that once a candidate is chosen, we can just go ahead and get Dumbf**k out no matter who the candidate is, but . . . it's gonna be a crapshoot.

[shanny]

24. +a brazillion

It is not Joe's rivals who are shooting him in the foot.

[Jake Stern]

27. The irony

Many of the same people who are spanking Biden over his stand on the Hyde Amendment are the same ones who rally to the defense of someone like John Bel Edwards who just signed a nasty piece of anti-choice legislation.

If one uses Choice as a purity test then it needs to be administered to ALL politicians in our party.

[stonecutter357]

28. "See ya around.."